Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@reasoning logic,

He is the one feeding the lie...By claiming to be Christian and manipulating Christianity, and the Church...If he has the co-hones to tell a Christian what they are wrong about!

There is no greater lie, from me, than him saying he embraces Christianity for this...and is an atheist...And tells others Christian how and why they are fake ones...that is true manipulation, and extortion...

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@spendius,

If all of what Logic said is true, please do not even bother giving me a critique in the future about how fake of a Christian I am....I am going to dismiss it....

The way you portray yourself, and use Christianity, and the Church...for social reasons...But ultimately dismiss it, and throw it to the side, like a used condom or something makes me very sick to even think about...

And to top it all off, you go around to people who actually embrace Christianity...And tell them how and why they are fake???

Sickening!

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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He is the one feeding the lie...By claiming to be Christian and manipulating Christianity, and the Church...If he has the co-hones to tell a Christian what they are wrong about!

There is no greater lie, from me, than him saying he embraces Christianity for this...and is an atheist...And tells others Christian how and why they are fake ones...that is true manipulation, and extortion...

If it were people that believed like him, that have founded our Christianity, why couldn't he continue teaching what they have been teaching?

The way I see it is that Christianity was a compile of lies and also the works of moral philosophers in order to make it look so grand.

What I find rather sad is that "very" few people have an interest in the study of moral philosophy and being a Christian seems to even lower your chances of interest.

Do not get me wrong because Christians seem to love hearing it preached but they do not seem to realize what is being preached to them at times.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And to top it all off, you go around to people who actually embrace Christianity.

Hold on now I did not say that Spendius does not embrace Christianity, because he does, just not your version of it.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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You told me to judge away...I am not gonna judge you

You were invited to. You have your own reasons for not doing.

I don't see how we can avoid judging others.

I don't think any possible God would think me worth the bother of judging. Nor do I think any possible God would take kindly to anyone claiming to understand Him. Or Her.

You will regularly find me on these threads defending those who are judged too readily.

You misquoted the Bible originally by leaving out the qualifier. You abused the words of Jesus to ride your own hobby-horse.

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@reasoning logic,

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If it were people that believed like him, that have founded our Christianity why couldn't he continue teaching what they have been teaching?

It is a total misrepresentation...Especially, when he goes around to Christians, and tells them why they are fake....There is not a bigger faker of Christianity on this entire website...(again, if what you said is true, he has not answered yet)

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The way I see it is that Christianity was a compile of lies and also the works of moral philosophers in order to make it look so grand.

Why would he use it, to extort it then?

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What I find rather sad is that "very" few people have an interest in the study of moral philosophy and being a Christian seems to even lower your chances of interest.

Not at all...I am going to look at your links...

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Do not get me wrong because Christians seem to love to hear it preached but they do not seem to realize what is being preached to them at times.

What exactly did I miss in it all??

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@reasoning logic,

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Hold on now I did not say that Spendius does not embrace Christianity, because he does, just not your version of it.

Why does he judge me, and tell me I am fake for teaching a different version??

If he is an atheist??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Why does he judge me, and tell me I am fake for teaching a different version??

You need to ask him but I could take a wild guess. He thinks that you are embarrassing the church with your claims of being a prophet and the many other things that he disagrees with you about.

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@spendius,

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You were invited to. You have your own reasons for not doing.

Yes, because the Bible says not to do so!

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I don't see how we can avoid judging others.

Maybe your right, but you should still ob-stand from it...hat is like saying, we all sin, so there is no point in me trying to not sin....

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I don't think any possible God would think me worth the bother of judging. Nor do I think any possible God would take kindly to anyone claiming to understand Him. Or Her.

Well, I think your wrong, a God would want you to be with him, and God is not pissed, at me explaining what he tells me to speak....It takes some serious balls, for you to say this to me, when you use Christianity, but ultimately reject it....and then label me as a fake Christian....

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You will regularly find me on these threads defending those who are judged too readily.

But you also believe it is acceptable to go around and then Judge others??

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You misquoted the Bible originally by leaving out the qualifier. You abused the words of Jesus to ride your own hobby-horse.

I do not take much merit from someone, who embraces Christianity for social reasons...But throws it to the wayside, when they have exhausted its personal purposes...

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@reasoning logic,

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Did you forget that Spendius is an atheist and is only into Christianity for social reasons, regardless if he is promoting a lie, that people like you will fall for and preach it as if it were truth

That was okay rl until you arrived at the last few words. If you think such such drivel lets you off responding to the social question you are having yourself on.

Saying that my position on the social question is fallen for, as if a mug is required, does not let you off answering the points raised by it. The position stands regardless of what Spade makes of it. Spade has nothing to do with it.

Why do you guys keep flagging-up that you have no answer you dare offer on the social question by evading it with the jejune sophistries such as that? Can't you see that you're telling everybody that you have no answers. You just invite us to wreck Christianity with nothing to replace it.

Are you used to people not listening to what you say?

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@reasoning logic,

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You need to ask him but I could take a wild guess. He thinks that you are embarrassing the church with your claims of being a prophet and the many other things that he disagrees with you about.

And what gives him the audacity to do such a thing...When he says he is Christian for social reasons, but ultimately rejects it??

How would he have any friggen clue, if what I am saying is truth or not?? How does he know what is embarrassing to God and the Church or not???

If he did, he would be embarrassed, to use Christianity as a disposal, then throw it to the wayside, and judge others Christians as fake ones....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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Why would he use it, to extort it then?

I am not sure if he is making any kind of profit from what he is doing, He may just believe that what he is doing is best for society as a whole, at least this is what I gather from his writings.
Don't you ever think about what Spendius has to say or do you just rush though it. Do not get me wrong because I rush though a lot of what he says because he seems to get carried away at times.

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@reasoning logic,

I do not think people should behave as I think fit. I think people should make a bit of an effort to behave as the Church thinks fit.

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@spendius,

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I think people should make a bit of an effort to behave as the Church thinks fit.

Are you or were you ever a member of this church that you speak of?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

There are plenty of atheists who don't seek to undermine Christianity. You only hear from those who do.

I believe in monogamous marriage between one man and one woman for social reasons and not intellectual ones.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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If he has the co-hones to tell a Christian what they are wrong about!

They are wrong when they disagree with the Church. It does not have a menu for you to pick and choose from. That involves marketing morality. As a product. The aspects of Christianity they all agree about are law anyway. They just claim to be Christian in order to suck cachet from the Church.

There are no nearly-Christians. Heresy derives from the Greek word for choice. Arians, Pelagians, Donatists, Gnostics, Marcionites, Montanists, Bogomils, Waldensians. Cathars and many more who spring up, like yourself, all claimed to be Christians.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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I do not take much merit from someone, who embraces Christianity for social reasons

It was embraced in the first place for social reasons and still is. What have you to offer to the many billions of people who had, or have, no chance of embracing Christianity either because they lived before Christianity or live where it is banned?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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And what gives him the audacity to do such a thing...When he says he is Christian for social reasons, but ultimately rejects it??

What gives you the audacity to say that I said I am a Christian. Supporting Christianity is not the same thing as being a Christian. Show me where I said I am a Christian. I'm born in time.

rl--I was born and raised a Catholic and I went to a posh school and was taught by priests wearing robes.

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@reasoning logic,

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I do not recall ever doing it. To me when people die they are gone

There is an interesting thought on that comment, pending your belief.

I would tend to think "everyone" thinks like that... But, the difference being:-

Gone, but I know the spirit lives on and if I need you, I only need to call out to you. This is only the body, bones under earth. Embrasses it.

Gone, OMG, I can't cope and constant visiting to the grave. Destroys their life.

Gone, oh well... That will be me one day, no feeling at all, for the will of hiding ones feelings of the "fear" of death.. that being that they know it will be them one day... Fear.

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That is how much I respect my dead corps.

Because you know it's only a corpse Smile

And, if you do visit a grave, then doesn't that tell you something? ....

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Yep.. That your mind is able to wander and be very creative.

Well, it could be respect.. It could be curiousity as to whether you "feel" something or are "reminded of something whilst there to do with that person" I don't know about creativity in that respect..

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I think you may be correct I do think that all of our minds may have an ability to wander when it comes to the loss of loved ones.

I think RL our minds are one of the most powerful things.. I also think that very few people are even aware of just how powerful it is.. If, as children we could see a spaghetti monster Smile

Or, a witch Smile

And, truly believe that we saw it, why would that change as we grow older? It's only a matter of whether we let go of that part of our abilities in childhood or not..

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I think it is psychological "normal" for our brains to respond in some way to the loss of a loved one and if that way is to talk to the dead person in your own head, then it is what it is.

Yes, I agree.. And, I believe that no matter which scenario a person feels that they are and there I am sure, are more, everyone at some point has muttered some words to the dead... Even if it's simple, like "I miss you" or "wow you were too young, when walking past a tomb stone"..

As, I left the graveyard yesterday, I drove past the children's section. Shook my head and couldn't look.. These tiny little graves.. And, in my head I said "that's wrong"..

But, like I said many threads ago... I can't explain a grey mist coming down the stairs of a converted Church, and the voice of a choir singer, that then exited at the glass doors where I stood.. Nor, can I forget, as I shook after and tried to lock the doors. What can I say? I do think that there are spirits that exit our bodies.

That be me..

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@spendius,

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She was researching her family tree, contrary to my strenuous advice, and had identified this gentleman out of the raft of wankers and toss-pots, sluts and slags, who made up the rest of her family tree, as the one which she felt best reflected her genetic material so that I was not allowed to be unaware of what a classy broad I had in tow.

Had to giggle a little over that Smile

Pretty much here, all Aussies came from England at some point in time and throw backs further, for me Spanish/Irish and Sweedish.. But, the ancestors from England were all convicts.. Must be where my rebelious side comes from Smile

Personally, I wouldn't have cared if they were all toss-pots etc.. There has to be a "classy broad" born from that mixture at some stage Smile

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Always, also, there are fresh flowers set on the base and the memorial is within a patch of carefully tended ground. I have never seen any vandalism or other marks of disrespect on any of these "remember me" temples.

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But the fact that you notice this, means you also respect the dead and what it represents.. Doesn't mean you would go and visit a grave......But, I bet you remember the deceased that mean something to you.

A few times, when I have been on foot, I have stopped and read through all the names. Even when there are a lot. I know many men with similar names.

Fascination of history perhaps.

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