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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
izzythepush
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:21 am
@spendius,
spendius wrote:

Tasty izzy.


It is isn't it? I'm amazed how apt it is.
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reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:24 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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I am also asking why it is important of seemingly important, for people to deny the other person of their beliefs.. Is it because they feel they are right and the other person wrong.

Your reply didn't really cover that..


A big part of it is because they feel they are right and the other person wrong.

I do think that some things are closer to being correct than others, Some working models are more accurate than others.

I do have to say that you have Good questions for a lady, not that ladies cant ask good questions its just that I do not find very many ladies interested in philosophical discussions.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:25 am
@reasoning logic,

Well I will be damned (so to speak) Smile

Pastafarianism. If you don't mind Smile

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Pastafarianism 348 up, 34 down
a new religion that worships Flying Spaghetti Monster, initially created to protest the Kansas State School Board's decision to teach "Intelligent Design" in schools.

Also known as the FSM cult
Codes of conduct:
# Prayers are ended with the word RAmen rather than Amen.
Benefits of conversion:
# Like the great noodles they worship, Flying Spaghetti Monsterists have flimsy moral standards.
# Promise of a stripper factory and a beer volcano in Heaven.

A rival faction, based on SPAM (Spaghetti & Pulsar Activating Meatballs), has formed and is calling for a Holy War against FSM. SPAMation claims to have the One True Letter to the Kansas School Board.


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The Flying Spaghetti Monster is a pile of noodles and meatballs, but it is meant to open up discussion and provoke thought. Being able to put up a statue is a celebration of our freedom as Americans; a freedom to be different, to express those differences, and to do it amongst neighbors -— even if it is in a noodley way.

Our message is freedom of speech, freedom of religion” — Well Said! All Pastafarians should feel fortunate at having such a fine ambassadors for our cause.


I have to honestly laugh.. I have to......

Except for the bit I highlighted.... Who would have thought it existed haha.



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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:27 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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The God is needed to make the Spaghetti Monster, no??


Sorry Spades, I doubt you saw the post before Smile

Seems that people made the Spaghetti Monster Smile But, on the same accord I highlighted one important message Smile
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:28 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Thumbs up!

It is making my head hurt thinking about a Spaghetti Monster....


Oh ya be thinking of him/it more now Smile LOLS LOLS Seems that RL hid something for quite a while, kind of clever really.
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:35 am
@reasoning logic,
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A big part of it is because they feel they are right and the other person wrong.

I do think that some things are closer to being correct than others, Some working models are more accurate than others.

I do have to say that you have Good questions for a lady, not that ladies cant ask good questions its just that I do not find very many ladies interested in philosophical discussions.


This is why I posed the question because it seems that way to me..

Maybe I have Wisdom Smile Although I can tell you I am not a creep.. I am not un-pleasant, nor eccentric, different maybe .............

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:37 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Sorry Spades, I doubt you saw the post before Smile

Seems that people made the Spaghetti Monster Smile But, on the same accord I highlighted one important message

It does not really surprise me....I hate to sound a bit condescending here, But I am gonna post how I feel....It seems people will accept anything but the truth....I can't understand it....(shaking my head)

How could a Spaghetti Monster be real over a man of flesh saying the way to salvation is thru me???

reasoning logic
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:40 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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So then why is a Spaghetti Monster more likely than a God is??


The truth is I do not know what is possible because I do not know what all is possible according to nature but I have never seen a God nor a spaghetti monster I just think that they are both ridiculous and when I say this please do not take it as a personal attack against a God or you.

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Correct, So how is God not more plausible, Or have a better chance at existence, than a Spaghetti Monster does? How are they on the same plane? The God is needed to make the Spaghetti Monster, no??


I am using Probability theory, it seems the less complex that something is the greater chance it can have of existing. That does not mean that it can exist.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:43 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Our message is freedom of speech, freedom of religion”


Yes, and so you should... You know my belief, we live once, as who we are, be it Ryan or Kel, in those bodies.. To be happy in life, to me, you accept everyone for who they are, and you accept yourself for who you are. The "bullies" are those that are "hell" bent on changing you, or what you believe, or to put you down, or to pull you down... And, sometimes, people come in with concern, real concern as this is a tough World we live in.. You should listen to everyone but take what you feel you agree with, or can help you... I don't believe you should diss everything people discuss or else, how do we learn in life. What you know that can help someone, someone else knows something that can help you. . But, but, but, regardless that the Spaghetti Monster exists lols, if that message is true? Then you have to be happy at least with that don't you?

See, Spades...
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:54 am
@reasoning logic,
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The truth is I do not know what is possible because I do not know what all is possible according to nature but I have never seen a God nor a spaghetti monster I just think that they are both ridiculous and when I say this please do not take it as a personal attack against a God or you.

It is not personal, I know you are not insulting me...Although I would like to drop the Spaghetti thing...Use anything else please, I need a break from that....

But in any event then they are on the same plane, there is no more or less credible, if neither have been seen....And if You consider a God insane based on something like a Gremlin! Wink Than that would mean for the Gremlin to be real, The God must be, and the Gremlin is more ridiculous than a God is....

One had to create one, and if they both sound insane, it makes sense that the one who is responsible for everything created everything...So a God must be, If a gremlin is real....not the other way around...

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I am using Probability theory, it seems the less complex that something is the greater chance it can have of existing. That does not mean that it can exist.

It is not a reliable method at all though....Is it more or less complex to study quantums, and think the string theory is right? Or is it more less credible to believe there is life at the bottom of the Mariana Trench??

Neither have been proven, But it is more likely there is life at the bottom of the ocean, than a person taking great leaps in accepting a Quantum study that suggests the earth is in a parallel demention with gravity pulling on the universe, So that our galaxy is stable, and others are not....

Yet, scientists (some) believe the String theory is right, But maybe not so many believe life can not exist that low without the sun....

Which one sounds more credible??

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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 02:58 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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But, but, but, regardless that the Spaghetti Monster exists lols, if that message is true? Then you have to be happy at least with that don't you?

Yes! Because every atheists who uses that analogy will have to think twice when saying it is false and so is God, or I will pull up this link and say do you believe a God could be real now?? Wink Wink Wink 2 Cents
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:28 am
@reasoning logic,
I will give you another example....

Some Scientists will say they do not believe there is life at the deepest part of the Ocean....But yet some of them will say that aliens exist is close to one....

When the bottom line is life at the deepest part of the Ocean is far less complex, and more credible, because there is already life in the Ocean here, and at great depths...The is no such evidence of aliens at all...Only speculations, and it is far more complex....

So humans are unreliable.....

I do not know how to come up with a better solution, because I have not studied, and thought about it hard enough with what I feel to explain a better way for more to be satisfied...Perhaps later in life I will...

But one thing I know, is that real, not real, exist, non-existent, make belief, true, does not boil down to numbers....It boils down to what you ultimately believe in your own mind....Your conscience....Not what math says on the subject....And anyone who claims otherwise is trying to pull one on ya....
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:34 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
If I may Smile

We question everything in life... Rightly so.. If we live on a planet, there "has" to be other living matter other than plants somewhere out there in that Universe, how could we be the only life form? Yet, try as we may to build machines that can travel, we can not confirm it.

And, so again, some people believe and others state, no way, as nothing has been proven.

This is the way of the mind... How one thinks... Or dares to, in anything in life. That doesn't present itself in a form that can be recognised, or in a manner that is materialistic... Or that presents itself as real.

At the bottom of the Ocean? I suspect would be so friggen cold, what could live there? I kind of see that.. Not taking that against anything but where does the oxygen come from way down there to start with ?

Thoughts Smile
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:36 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Jesus Christ . . . what scientist claims that life does not exist in the deepest part of the ocean? Name names, because otherwise, i'm calling you a liar. It's bad enough that you spew your conceited fantasies left, right and center--you've got no business attempting to construct arguments by making **** up.

What is real, what is true, are not determined by belief. You should get together with Fresco, he peddles that old bullshit, too.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:41 am
@FOUND SOUL,
I don't know the answers to those questions but it shows that scientists and mathematicians accept more complex things then less complex things (at times)....And it is unreliable....

It all boils down to what you mentally believe....

Probability isn't really a strong thing to base things upon....Because despite all the math, there is always a chance they are wrong about it....

And if they could be wrong about one thing, they could also be wrong about them all...

It is like saying I have a great chance at pulling a 21 on a black jack table, because the math says so...and pulling a 12...

I would not put my ultimate faith into that....

Humans are unreliable....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:45 am
@Setanta,
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what scientist claims that life does not exist in the deepest part of the ocean?

Go research it, I am sure you will find at least one who says this....

I am not obliged to play your bait game....

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you've got no business attempting to construct arguments by making **** up.

I will do what I want...You have no right to tell me what I can and can't do and say....

You have a say in this, turn your computer off....
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:47 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Well unless you have ESP , (just kidding)...

I personally have never heard of that scientific finding .. I am thinking like I said though it would be friggen freezing way at the bottom but, then how far is the bottom of the ocean? I mean if you are in Cairns, the bottom is shallow and coral is beautiful.. Hard to answer that one, unless you are talking way deep and then we as man can't travel that deep.. So goes to stand that how can we honestly answer that, if we can't go there, same as space.. So good point .
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:55 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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I personally have never heard of that scientific finding .. I am thinking like I said though it would be friggen freezing way at the bottom but, then how far is the bottom of the ocean?

Apparently, Setanta seems to disagree, and thinks most scientists believe life down that low exists....

Or he would not have asked me to name a scientists who suggests life doesn't exist that low!
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 03:59 am
Just don't make **** up like that . . . scientists happen to be real people, it happens to be possible to know who they are, what they study and what conclusions they have reached. It seems to me that for religious fanatics, scientists are the boogie man. It's pathetic.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 28 Apr, 2012 04:01 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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I personally have never heard of that scientific finding ..

I have seen shows where scientists suggest they believe life could exist down there....I do not remember how or why they concluded that, but I do remember seeing it....
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