@Krumple,
Quote:Shame is not a system that is reliable for people to behave in a way you consider it to be. Some killers don't find any shame or feel any guilt for taking the lives they took. It is unreliable to expect shame to be in the minds of every person and in the acts that they carry out.
In the case of killers and molesters of young boys shame in not required. The activities are illegal and severly punished by the law.
I'm talking about sexual activity that is not illegal and not limited to a few criminals.
Quote:There are many families who are strongly against homosexuality because their religious teachings dictate to them that it is in some way evil and wrong.
But you're assuming they have no other reason. Are you suggesting that atheists have no views on homosexuality?
You can't say shame does not work on the basis of those examples.
Quote:There are many other ways that religion is harmful rather than productive.
We all know that religion can be harmful. We all know that it can be, has been, productive as well. It's a compromise. Without religion a compromise is not required.
Which atheist societies are more productive than ours?
Our society is an artefact. Religion has been, still is, an important factor, I would say the key factor, in that creation.
Painters mix colours to achieve subtler shades.
You don't even get a nice try for that one....
