Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

If the Patient is wrong, and believes in a Spaghetti Monster, who is not real, and makes you sick, and we all rot in the ground....No harm, no foul, each side of the equation....If the patient is right, and the doctor is wrong, then The doctor has some serious things to come to grips with, while the crazy person who believed in a Spaghetti Monster, and that he does not make you sick is gonna be just fine, whatever happens in the end....Whether he is not there, or whether he was! The Doctor can not argue the same!

EVERYONE HAS THE SAME ABILITY I DO>>>ALL THEY HAVE TO DO IS GO LOOKING FOR GOD< LIKE I DID< AND IT WILL BE REVEALED IF THEY TRULY WANT THE GIFT< AND I DO NOT MEAN TEST GOD< BY SAYING LET ME SEE IT NOW, OR I WONT BELIEVE YOU, BUT I MEAN PUT YOUR LIFE IN GODS HANDS>>>>

WHETHER OR NOT YOU HAVE THE SAME EXACT EXPERIENCE, I CAN NOT ANSWER, BUT YOU WILL FIND WHAT YOU NEEDED, AND WERE LOOKING FOR< SO THAT YOU DO NOT NEED TO FEEL LIKE YOU WERE LEFT OUT< OR NOT A CHOSEN ONE....THE CHOICE IS ALWAYS UP TO THE MORTAL....

AND WITH ALL OF WHAT YOU POSTED ABOVE....YOU DO NOT BELIEVE THE SAME EXACT THINGS WOULD HAPPEN OVER TIME IN AN ATHEISTIC SOCIETY???? (OF COURSE THEY WOULD)

THE ONES WHO GET IT, GET IT, THE ONES WHO DO NOT, NEVER WILL!!!!

Picture it Ryan a flying glob of spaghetti with a meat ball face and an actual spaghetti body. Do you truly believe that such a creature might exist and if so why?

Why is it up to me to think and explain how or why I believe I am certain a Spaghetti Monster is so ridiculously unreal....or not..

You honestly think a god would set up such a senario and then punish for failing to win the challenge? If such a god existed then it is far from worthy of any admiration or respect.

You are not posed with a 50/50 option because there are hundreds of thousands of religions. Any one of them could be right, but at the same time, they all could be wrong.

You might claim that you have nothing to lose by taking your chances but you are wrong. There are consequences for your choice weather you are right or wrong.

A person who believes they live only one life and after dying there is nothing, might acrtually place more value on their time than a person who believes they get to continue existing after their life ends.

They might place more emphisis on relationships and trying get people to respect each other because we only have this one life. Killing others solves nothing and what generally drives others to kill, tends to often be associated with religion.

We should never assume. It is better to have supporting evidence so we can make rational decisions and thus far there is no supporting evidence that supports the idea that a god does exist. So we shouldn't be making life decisions based on that uncertanty. We definately shouldn't be killing or threatening others with harm as well. But the world is full of people who are willing to kill others because they believe they are certain a god exists and wants them to kill in it's name.

Not sure why you felt it necessary to use caps.

You completely ignored the most important aspect to what I was pointing out.

A god getting involved or being selective on who gets what information would know that by doing so is creating problems. This means if it really were compassionate and all loving, it wouldn't get involved at all. Because to get involved is creating the problem. I know this, it would know this and thus there can only be so many explanations.

Either it doesn't care and knows it will create conflict by getting involved.

Either it knows it will create conflict but the conflict is necessary to weed out the unwanted.

Either it exists yet actually isn't actually getting involved, but those who believe it does are actually in error.

Either it does not exist and those who claim to have such experiences are really nothing more than their own imaginations run wild.

Those are the only possible outcomes to this consequence. In my opinion the one that reality tends to favor or the evidence that supports it's liklihood is the very last one.

If the first and second one are right then that god is not worthy of my admiration or respect because it is creating the conflicts in the world. Pinning people against each other and causing suffering.

The third option makes that god more of a deist that doesn't get involved in the existence it created. But then it becomes are careless observer and still not worthy of admiration or praise.

The last option is more likely the case because there is no supporting evidence for any gods and it has been shown many times that some mental illnesses result in people thinking they hear the voice of god in their heads.

I think yaweh is ridiculously unreal. A god that would brutally slaughter itself to create a loophole into it's own law so that it's own creation can be forgiven by it's own law. Seriously? This is the ONLY way it could solve this problem? It has to murder, kill, slay, or sacrafice the lamb to make it work? It couldn't just snap it's fingers and make the change? Blood has to be spilt for the offering to work? You don't find this absurd or ridiculous but you find the flying spaghetti monster to be? How funny is that?

Hence the feeling of what you are not chosen, and feel people are pinned....

Or they could all be right and point to the one same living God!

Correct, and I would hope I am more right than wrong....But if there is no afterlife at all....It honestly does not really matter if you were a mass-murder, or prayed for 6 hrs a day, or help progress humanity....

That is the ultimately answer....Sure any normal good person, with some kind of honesty and morality would do otherwise....But if you break it down...It really doesn't mean anything in the end....

And what about the people who do not follow this method?

Really?? people who tend to kill tends to be most often based on religion?? Doubt it! DO you believe all the major gangs in the world are believers of Christ, or atheistic, or Satanists???

Again would the not exact same things happen over time in an atheistic society??? You just trying to win an argument if you answer that as a no in the affirmative.....

And like I have said a few times before, then they are of the Devil not a represent of God....The Devil is God of Earth....God is God of Goodness....Perhaps you are confused or did not know that??

I do not believe that a atheist person who kills is for progressing humanity, do you???

And all these reasons that you have that cause you to resent a God if real, though you say you believe he is not real, and people are in error....Is the reason you do not understand it, and why you will never experience it, to see otherwise...

If you believe you are totally under the belief a God is not real, and people are delusional, I am not so sure that I buy that....

I do not believe that the Probability of God is close to a Spaghetti Monster....People like Bill do

When no one knows for sure what a God is thinking if real.

I am saying the way I understand reality, nothing supports it. I see no indication that a god is present. In fact I see just the opposite. I can't imagine that a god would think this is the best method. I can come up with a better one and I am no god.

You do think that believing in a spaghetti monster [ I am not talking about God] is crazy don't you?

I thought that you said God shares his thoughts with you.

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I think his message wouldn't be harmed if he dropped the prophet thing... to me it adds nothing to what he says... and those who are put off by the prophet thing may be put off him just because of that one difficult to accept assertion.

Meaning, he'd have more success in "spreading his word" belief, by not stating that, or that people will not like him, think that he's crazy and tarnish his persona....

I'm trying to ascertain the logic, in your thoughts as in how it helps him.

yeah an thus all the conflict of the world would be induced by this god. It causes all the evil in the world then by doing so.

That makes no sense when a huge majority of them contradict each other. You can't have two conflicting beliefs point to the same result. It makes no sense.

You have a very sad outlook on humanity then.

Murder does impact people and that impact effects society.

There are consequences to killing people.

The fact that I have to point this out to you, scares me because you basically imply that if you didn't believe in a god, you would go around killing because there is no consequence for doing it.

In other words you don't do things because they are good or thoughtful, you do them for a reward. You don't care about people, you only care because you were commanded to. Thats a rather pathetic outlook if you ask me.

Sure it does, it is called compassion and sympathizing with others. I don't believe in a god, so why am I not out killing or murdering others? Because I can empathize with others that since I don't want to be murdered why is it just for me to murder? I also see humanity as a social medium. This means that my existence is based on others. By killing others I actually make my own existence less productive. These two aspects allow me to come to the conclusion that it is wrong to murder, not because some supposed god says so but because it is bad for myself, bad for the victim and bad for the victims friends, family and society as a whole.

I can't say for everyone who doesn't follow it but I would think their value on this life is far less than it should be. They might be squandering this life they have because they are assuming they will be given a better one later.

Gang violence is an indirect result of religious oppression. The religious demonize drug use and gangs develope as a means to sell drugs. They fight over territory and jockey for power and control. If drugs were legalized there would be far fewer gangs and the violence would be far less. So yes religion has caused this violence to occur by trying to impose itself onto society.

I am not saying that non believers don't murder or commit crimes like theft or damage to property. There would still be people in the world who want to have or control as much as they can and don't care who has to suffer in the wake of that desire. But on a whole, they would have far less support if it weren't driven by a religious conviction to carry them out.

A god who would allow another being, like some devil to have free reign on it's creation is even more undeserving of admiration or respect than one who wouldn't allow it.

That is like allowing a child molester to be a clown at a childrens birthday party. You know that this person is wicked yet you let them lose in an environment where they could cause harm to your children? You would allow that? It is absurd and not admirable at all. What would be the point? To prove to them that you are better? You would allow a being to be tortured and suffer just to prove a point you were better? You admire that?

I don't think anyone who kills is progressing society at all. I am an atheist but I don't murder or think murder is just. How do you explain that then? I don't need a god to scare me into being nice to others or treating them with respect or not killing them.

Alright now you understand me. But there is a consequence if you are right.

It means god plays favorites then.

This is not admirable at all. It is like a parent who holds conditions on it's children. If the child doesn't behave in such a way, it is not worthy.

Not very admirable you see. You respect that?

You admire that?

You think that is compassionate?

That I need to think in just the right way to be worthy?

Why is my brain working the way it does, result in me not being worthy?

Shouldn't an all compassionate god not care if I behave in any way?

Why does it play favorites? It can not be all loving if it plays favorites or expects me to do something or think in a particular way.

Don't get me wrong Spade, I never said I am 100% certain no god exists. I am saying the way I understand reality, nothing supports it. I see no indication that a god is present. In fact I see just the opposite. I can't imagine that a god would think this is the best method. I can come up with a better one and I am no god.