Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Chights47,

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Of the people that I do know on here, you were probably my best friend out of them all (which is pretty high up there),

How much Self-respect...And Dignity do you think I have, if I allow one of my closest friends to say this kind of ****, and nonsense to me???

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But you have your head up your ass

With which a lot of others on here are significantly smarter than you

which made your betrayal hurt that much more.

You mean like this???

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Of the people that I do know on here, you were probably my best friend out of them all (which is pretty high up there),

But you have your head up your ass

With which a lot of others on here are significantly smarter than you

Then you have the audacity to say to me...

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which made your betrayal hurt that much more.

WTF??? Are you serious?? Are you seriously alright? Do you not see your the one who started it all?? Is this acceptable to Sit back and allow you to speak to me like this?? Would you have a problem if I said this to you?? What kind of friend would I be if I said such a thing to you? Would you think I am a good friend?? What the **** kind of friend lets another say that?? Without calling them out on it??

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@Chights47,

Chights47 wrote:

I tried the new Bud Light Platinum and it is awesome!...I really don't drink much though.

That's something else we'll have to disagree on. This is the only Budweiser I drink.

http://www.hoppsy.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/budweiser-budvar.gif

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@izzythepush,

No, no, no, I hate beer. Well except when I went to Oklahoma and tried one of those bud lights, mmmm... what? Smile

It's light but it seems to kick in.... Like I said I hate beer but that was gooood.

Spades? Back on track young man Smile

You know, being angry or hurt is doing you no good, what good does it do anyone?

Letting go of it, does good. And, who knows, you two can patch things up in the future, it happens but writing back and forth, can make it worse as well.

I think you have a "giving" to give, so ..................................give.

Nearly wrote CW haha.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Saints are granted supernatural powers so by how I define gods IE the abilities to set aside the laws of the universe they had god like powers and therefore are a form of sub-gods.

Whatever you label/name them they are sub-gods.

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@BillRM,

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Saints are granted supernatural powers so by how I define gods IE the abilities to set aside the laws of the universe they had god like powers and therefore are a form of sub-gods.

Whatever you label/name them they are sub-gods.

You said this about "Catholic" saints...and even mentioned Mary in your original remarks.

It is absolutely a misinterpretation of what the Catholic church claims and teaches about saints.

They are not gods; demiGods; semiGods; or subGods except in your arguments, Bill. Apparently the reason you deem them so is to strengthen an argument that needs lots of strengthening.

You can make the point you apparently are trying to make in easier ways. This line of reasoning is a dead-end.

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@BillRM,

I'm sorry? So you don't believe in Churches, God, you call people silly, but you donate to a beautiful Church that you visited sightseeing as an Atheist and now you claim you know what Saints are and they are granted supernatural powers? Yet you do not believe Smile

Plus I must be a Saint then, yoo hoo..

So you believe in me Bill.... I am therefore, a sub God.. I knew there was a reason Smile

You be silly.

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@Frank Apisa,

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They are not gods; demiGods; semiGods; or subGods except in your arguments, Bill. Apparently the reason you deem them so is to strengthen an argument that needs lots of strengthening.

Sorry that what they are as you pray to them to suspense natural laws for your benefit.

You also carry images of them around so they are more likely to intervene on your behalf and so on.

The Catholic Church version of having beings that will act as pagans gods are suppose to act.

The whole concept of saints with those powers are upsetting to other branches of Christianity for that very reason.

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@FOUND SOUL,

LOL of course I do not believe in saints anymore then the three in one god however I know the power such beings are in fact require to have in order to be consider saints in the first place by the Catholic Church IE the ability when ask by a believer to work and grant miracles!!!!!

Do not blame me for the church having sub-gods as I did not created this fantasy after all!!!!!!

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

Do not blame me for the church having sub-gods as I did not created this fantasy after all!!!!!!

You've created enough fantasies of your own.

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I posted this on the evolution thread and it might have some value for viewers here--

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What is on general, life-long Ignore for anti-IDers is the possibility that metaphysics and mysticism are right in some way and that the explanations need to be metaphysical and mystical because it is not possible, at least in polite company, to correctly state why they are right or why correct conclusions need to be expressed incorrectly.

As James Joyce said after blasting religion in the funeral scene--"Still, there must be something in it".

That the factual evidence of the success of Christianity does not suggest this possibility shows the unscientific nature of the sort of platitudes Mr Shapiro trotted out, maybe even cut and pasted, and the close-mindedness of anti-IDers.

A perfectly feasible scientific explanation can be offered for all the Christian dogmas and rules but they may not be.

That's the source of this dispute and anti-IDers take advantage of the may not which the Texas senator wande quoted on "controversial issues" strongly hinted at. He was dismissed as having his head up his arse which is anti-scientific.

Hence the rejection by anti-IDers of the consideration of social consequences which is so inexplicable for evolutionists that it becomes self-evident that they are faking their evolutionism for personal reasons. A massive hoax masquerading as science and engaged in for profit characterised by brilliantine words and obfustication and flattering to the parrots who repeat them without having the slightest idea what any of it means. Speaking in tongues.

If the kids were told the real scientific explanation for compulsory education they would burn the schools down.

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@BillRM,

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Sorry that what they are as you pray to them to suspense natural laws for your benefit.

Perhaps you do that, but Catholics don't. Catholics pray to saints to intercede with their god on their behalf.

No Catholic worthy of the name considers any saint to be a god in any sense.

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You also carry images of them around so they are more likely to intervene on your behalf and so on.

That does not make them a god.

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The Catholic Church version of having beings that will act as pagans gods are suppose to act.

The whole concept of saints with those powers are upsetting to other branches of Christianity for that very reason.

These sentence fragments do not a god make.

But I suspect you are going to insist.

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@izzythepush,

izzythepush wrote:

That's something else we'll have to disagree on. This is the only Budweiser I drink.

Well as I said in my post, I don't really drink that often, and ,sadly, I've not heard of that particular beer (or at least I don't remember that labeling on it) but that will be something that I will have to try!

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@Chights47,

I've never tried it either. Somebody, a beer expert, told me it is gnat's piss.

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@spendius,

As you drink John Smiths I'll take that with a pinch of salt. Czech original Budweiser 5% alcohol, John Smiths 3.8%.

You prefer bitter, I prefer lager. In my opinion the best beer is Czech. This is my favourite.

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_H2DVlYyfr7U/SpFpq-1PTEI/AAAAAAAAAY4/FgGuCVRR8ds/s320/PilsnerUrquell.jpg

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@FOUND SOUL,

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No, no, no, I hate beer. Well except when I went to Oklahoma and tried one of those bud lights, mmmm... what? Smile It's light but it seems to kick in.... Like I said I hate beer but that was gooood.

Spades? Back on track young man Smile You know, being angry or hurt is doing you no good, what good does it do anyone?

Letting go of it, does good. And, who knows, you two can patch things up in the future, it happens but writing back and forth, can make it worse as well.

I think you have a "giving" to give, so ..................................give.

Nearly wrote CW haha.

Great Idea! It is over with! I am done with it...

I hate beer also...The only alcohol I drink is a stiff shot of tequila....Every now and then...Or anything stiff...But very seldom....

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@izzythepush,

The problem with 5% stuff is that you get a bit wobbly before you have quenched your thirst. 3.8% is a perfect compromise.

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@izzythepush,

LOL...You guys ever heard of IPA Doghead (TM) it is a stout that is 20%....The can goes for like 12 bucks I think....

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@Frank Apisa,

I think you and found Soul said it perfectly to Bill...I do not even need to say anything else...But this below....

Prophets, Saints, Apostles, People who speak in angelic tongues etc....No matter what Gift you receive according to the Catholic Church....None of them, believe, or are deemed as a God, or sub Gods....And any real one, humbles him or herself, and ultimately gives Glory to Christ...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

I love the distinction that in praying to a saint for a miracle is just asking them to place a request in to the front office on your behalf that carry more weight then if you had gone directly with the request.

Sorry but Jesus is unlikely to turn down his virgin mother requests so the other then for the “paperwork” it is a distinction without a difference of any kind.

All kind of power relationships in any organization exist that is not shown on a flow chart. I remember one gentleman who was in fact in operational control of a large part of a north east railroad and who only held the title and position on the chart of a chief clerk.

In any case your distinction is just a clever way of getting around the idea that Christianity is not suppose to have sub-gods when Saints in fact act in that mode for Catholics.

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@BillRM,

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In any case your distinction is just a clever way of getting around the idea that Christianity is not suppose to have sub-gods when Saints in fact act in that mode for Catholics.

If this is true, Which I bet some people do...But not a lot...Then it is Clear it is the people who embrace these Saints and call them God, that do not understand the concept...It is not the fact of the Saint etc...Calling themselves a God, or thinking they are a God...There is a big difference here...

So if they do not believe they are God...then they are not a sub God...And it is a big difference between a Monotheism, and Polytheism...

People have just distorted the fact of what they believe they truly are...

And if One talked to the Saint, I guarantee if they were a real one, they would humble themselves, and give glory to Christ, and rebuke the person, and say give your praise to Christ, not me....

That is not at all the same as you proporting Christianity has Sub-Gods....

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All kind of power relationships in any organization exist that is not shown on a flow chart.

Do you really believe this to be?? But yet Almost everyone (for you Bill, Although, I can't imagine more than something ridiculous like .00000000033% accept Christianity, Without believing Christ is God) would agree that Christ is God in this organization...And they agree on this one thing...So does that = Jesus is God to you??

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