Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@reasoning logic,

Leaving aside the fact that Setanta appears to be disagreeing with a lot of people right now, if you wish to throw his words at me, what about these ones?

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To call RL an atheist is hilarious.

I think it's terrible that he's suggesting you're too stupid to be an atheist. That's bang out of order, he's not the atheist pope. You should be able to call yourself whatever you want, regardless of your idiocy.

Just to let you know I've got your back on this. Chin up.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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So what does that really tell you.

How do you see it Found Soul? What is your viewpoint on what bill has been speaking about?

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@FOUND SOUL,

It tell me that belief in god or gods had been use as a tool and a weapon against others all through the history of mankind.

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@izzythepush,

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To call RL an atheist is hilarious.

You do have a point there but at times he does speak the truth just not there, "there he is being sarcastic, maybe he thinks I worship myself or science, who knows what runs though his mind at times.

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@BillRM,

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It tell me that belief in god or gods had been use as a tool and a weapon against others all through the history of mankind.

So much like politics.. Or large organisations, it's all about winning, it's all about man and their greed.. You are agreeing that it's man...

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@reasoning logic,

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How do you see it Found Soul? What is your viewpoint on what bill has been speaking about?

That Bill was clutching for straws. He was using these stories to prove that the Churches are hiding / lying about miracles, in order to make money, in order to gain more people into their Churches, offering them their 10% of their income, to grow their own wealth in greed. So to Bill, he is saying "see, these Christians kill people, there is no God".. "And, I recall God killed people via floods" There is no God. But, by using these stories, all that has come from it, in reality is as I stated, these are "people" using Greed to get what they want.. Nothing at all to do with God, they are hiding behind that name... For self gain.

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@FOUND SOUL,

Man creates many forms of scam, and this happens to be one of the most successful one.

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@FOUND SOUL,

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That Bill was clutching for straws. He was using these stories to prove that the Churches are hiding / lying about miracles, in order to make money, in order to gain more people into their Churches

??????? Let see a man came and prove where the water was coming from and the church officers in India file Blasphemy charges and try to get him thrown it jail for doing so.

So where do you get the other silliness from?

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@BillRM,

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??????? Let see a man came and prove where the water was coming from and the church officers in India file Blasphemy charges and try to get him thrown it jail for doing so.

So where do you get the other silliness from?

You really should read what I write, not take the parts out that you "see"... If you can't digest all that is written then off course, it's silly to you.

Re-read.

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@FOUND SOUL,

Given that god or gods have no proven or likely independent existence from the followers of those god or gods what is your piont?

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@BillRM,

Come on Bill. Be a man. Answer the question about the Motorist's religion which says that cars can go at speeds which kill hundreds of thousands in the USA alone and maim and torture millions of others.

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Car Crash Stats: There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed. About 115 people die every day in vehicle crashes in the United States -- one death every 13 minutes.

Do you drive Bill?

Your focus on the oddball individual in Pakistan must be an attempt to distract us from the very real evil of the motorist's religion which has the added benefit of putting us all at the mercy of oil rich countries from which a whole load of other deaths and tortures are generated. Possibly from the Mother of all Battles too.

It is fitting that you are still working on the insights you had at 10. Try some grown up insights.

What sort of motor do you drive? Does it spray poisonous fumes over the playgrounds?

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@BillRM,

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Given that god or gods have no proven or likely independent existence from the followers of those god or gods what is your piont?

But they do.. The definition of the word follow is to do just that, follow..

Why would someone follow something that they do not believe in? What's your point?

Like I told Spades, right at the beginning.. I don't read the Bible, I will not read the Bible. I do not go to Church, I feel sickened though at the thought of what it really stands for and that is "man" hiding behind it, predominately not always, either as a pedaphile or scam to make money out of people and widen their wealth...

That doesn't mean that I disregard that they may in fact be, more out there than we know and that some truths may be had pertaining to a God.. No one can argue there is one, no one can argue there isn't.. Fact is, it's all about your own belief, end of story..

I don't know what you are trying to prove with the constant posts on what MAN is deciding against people that do not believe, because like I said, it is MAN who made those rules, out of greed... Be it power or money, it's still greed... Any MAN that is behind a Church and actually truly believes in God, is not going to kill someone or have them killed or thrown into jaol.. They are going to stand their ground to their community and call him "nuts" and "you know the truth" and brainwash the people into still believing what they saw, as with FAITH, that's all they need to know.

Your stories are about MEN, and greed.

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@reasoning logic,

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OK Frank let's be intellectually honest about this.

Okay, let’s do that. In fact, that is what I have been arguing toward. I want very much to be "intellectually honest" about this.

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I was speaking from memory and you can see that my memory was a little off as it normally is so I made a small mistake…

It was NOT a small mistake. It was a huge “mistake” which was used to do two INAPPROPRIATE things…first, to suggest that I was being logically inconsistent…and two, to mock the notion that I do not know if gods exist because of a supposed attitude toward flying spaghetti monsters, leprechauns, fairies and crap like that.

Being intellectually honest, RL, would involve you completely recanting this bit of nonsense.

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, even so what I said was true, "it is a cut and paste and if you will take the time and go back and read my last reply and analyze it you will see for yourself what I did with the cut and paste that I took from your post.

That is an absurdity, but I can see you will not own up to it, so I guess we have to agree to drop it for now. Originally you suggested you cut and pasted and then added just one or two words…which has been shot down completely. Then you suggested you “just” added dozens of words including fairies, elves, fairies, and flying spaghetti monsters.

Fact is, nothing I said corroborates what you were suggesting was just my words slightly altered.

Now…what say we agree to put this to bed?

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@spendius,

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Motorist's religion

????????????

Sorry there is no such religion and a decision by the society as a whole over the risks/benefits point in setting highway speeds or on any other similar subject have nothing to do with religion.

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@Frank Apisa,

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It was NOT a small mistake. It was a huge “mistake” which was used to do two INAPPROPRIATE things…first, to suggest that I was being logically inconsistent…and two, to mock the notion that I do not know if gods exist because of a supposed attitude toward flying spaghetti monsters, leprechauns, fairies and crap like that.

Being intellectually honest, RL, would involve you completely recanting this bit of nonsense.

You know frank you seem to be obsessive and emotional about this but I do not blame you because I would too, if I had to state that there could be a possibility of elves, fairies, leprechauns and flying spaghetti monsters existing, in order to show that I am being logically consistent. 2 Cents

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@reasoning logic,

RL...you were completely wrong...and possibly being very underhanded.

But I can see you do not have what it takes to simply back away from it, so I guess we gotta continue this nonsense.

QUESTION: Is the existence of gods possible...or is it an impossibility?

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@Frank Apisa,

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QUESTION: Is the existence of gods possible...or is it an impossibility?

If there is a possibility of a god existing it is much less than it being possible for there to be other franks existing on 90% of all the planets in existence—but not existing on the other 10% and these other franks like to have sex with sheep.

That is how absurd the chances of a God existing are. If everything has to have a creator does this apply to a God? Things just exist and we are not smart enough to know why but that does not mean that we have to allow for the possibility of absurd things to exist. "Flying spaghetti monsters, "come on frank not everything has to be a possibility, unless you have the right stuff.

http://www.ocdonline.com/articlephillipson6.php

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@BillRM,

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http://able2know.org/topic/176688-178#post-4956499

How is this any different than fraud to you???

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@BillRM,

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http://able2know.org/topic/176688-178#post-4956533

Proving it is a false religion...nothing less nothing more...Just like some atheists hold values to the Pink video I listed...Some actually try to help out others....

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@BillRM,

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http://able2know.org/topic/176688-178#post-4956549

If all these executions are against Christians...Why do you believe the Christian God is bullshit?? It in not Christians who are purpatrating....It is others against them...Just like people "claim" that atheists are persecuted and these atheists believe they are right!

You are trying to prove a double standard!

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