Just educated enough to know, It was not meant to be for me....
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That wasn't my reasons behind choosing to not have any..
I understand that...And after rereading your post I thought about this...and how I kinda did a Bigotry thing on you...my mistake, that was not my intentions....I have too much going on inside my world...that I would not be able to give a child all that I could, and should....So therefor, I know it is better I am not, than I am...
I have a 3 year old niece, She is the world to me...And gives me endless inspiration....
I do not even need a child of my own....
I am happy you are happy with your child, and step-child....
I have a step-father, who is my father! If you catch my drift....
Thanks a lot bud...For not answering me directly as to how you felt about me, so that we could repair our friendship....
You do not have to answer my questions anymore....And you can ignore me if you would like too...I guess I now see how much of a friend you really thought I was!
Guess I will have to do the same in return...
See ya around bro! Have a nice life...I wish you the best with everything you do...And your personal stuff!!
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tenderfoot
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Sat 14 Apr, 2012 10:09 pm
@spendius,
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I take it you did not have any kids?
Did you ever even marry?
That you ask such questions is indicative that you think my own experiences should influence my appraisal of things. Which suggests yours do and you think it normal that they should. It suggests your position on these matters is a form of special pleading or a justification for your life.
A bit unscientific rl. You need to tighten up your scientific methodology old boy. Considerably.
In other words...."don't try to incriminate me "
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FOUND SOUL
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 12:06 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Hun, I have to add that all my life I've been career minded, can't help that, it's kind of in my blood.. So, I guess same in a way, I couldn't fathom palming a child off all the time, that would be so cruel
I have an Asian daughter 33, a Canadian daughter 24 and a step daugther 14 If you catch, my drift, oh and an Indian son.. Can't help it, they all adopted me a long time ago
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Frank Apisa
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 02:08 am
@spendius,
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Why do you keep reiterating this type of statement Frank. Nobody gives an on the winger whether you have not enough unambiguous evidence upon which to base a guess that they do exist or they definitely do not exist. Nobody else has either.
It is of no significance. Has nobody ever informed you of the fact? You're like a shutter banging in the wind in a deserted mining town.
But it is of importance to me. I care. So your statement that "nobody" give "an on the winger" is not correct.
If I do not know...and cannot make a guess...I am left with "I do not know"--which is what I say.
This is a copy and paste from you, I inserted "you" into that sentence. I also do not "believe" there are no Gods
I added the word you and the word god I reinserted but you had it there originally.
Where did I make this statement? Since you “copied and pasted it”…you should know where it is. I cannot imagine me making a statement like that minus the word “you!” I cannot imagine me using the word "believe" in that fashion. Link me to it.
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Let us end it here because you are making the claim that elves, leprechauns , flying spaghetti monsters and so forth may exist.
Actually I said:
If there is a god…the god could create whatever it wants to create. If it wants to create leprechauns, fairies, unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters, and such…it seems to me it can with no trouble at all.
Has it?
I DO NOT KNOW!
I cannot categorically say yes or no. Leprechauns, fairies, unicorns, flying spaghetti monsters may exist on 90% of all the planets in existence—but not exist on the other 10%. They do not seem to exist here on Earth, but if one of their qualities is that they are invisible and imperceptible to human senses, perhaps they do exist here. In any case, I CANNOT CATEGORICALLY RULE OUT THEIR EXISTENCE.
That is substantively quite different from "... you are making the claim that elves, leprechauns , flying spaghetti monsters and so forth may exist." I am trying to show the logic in not being willing to categorically rule out their existence.
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and that is logically constant with the logic you are using so I stand corrected. I will add though that I think it is crazy talk to think that elves, leprechauns, flying spaghetti monsters and so forth could exist.
You were the one who raised the issue, RL. Don’t…and you will not have to deal with it. But if you are raising it just to accuse me of being “logically inconsistent”…then I have got to point out that there is no way I can categorically rule out their existence.
Are you absolutely positive that leprechauns, fairies, unicorns, and flying spaghetti monsters do not exist on any of the planets circling the suns of the nearest 200 billion galaxies to our own Milky Way galaxy?
I am not.
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I do have to say that you have one hell of an imagination though.
What is the point of "I do not know" on a site called Able To Know?
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reasoning logic
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 04:03 am
@Frank Apisa,
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Where did I make this statement? Since you “copied and pasted it”…you should know where it is. I cannot imagine me making a statement like that minus the word “you!” I cannot imagine me using the word "believe" in that fashion. Link me to it.
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The fact that we do not "believe" there are no gods doesn't seem to matter to them.
Most of us here know the fact that you also do not "believe" there are no elves, leprechaun , flying spaghetti monsters and so forth.
Can you see the likeness in these two statements?
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Are you absolutely positive that leprechauns, fairies, unicorns, and flying spaghetti monsters do not exist on any of the planets circling the suns of the nearest 200 billion galaxies to our own Milky Way galaxy?
I am not.
Come on frank why are you not in church or why haven't you started your own church with an imagination like that?
The way I see things is that there are laws of nature that have to be followed and not just anything can be possible. Where does this crazy talk end Frank?
With a mind that is open to all possibilities anything is possible.
Do you think it is possible for there to be other franks existing on 90% of all the planets in existence—but not exist on the other 10% and these other franks likes to have sex with sheep?
Come back home Frank.
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I do have to say that you have one hell of an imagination though.
The way I see things is that there are laws of nature that have to be followed and not just anything can be possible. Where does this crazy talk end Frank?
With a mind that is open to all possibilities anything is possible.
However the very concept of a god or gods is that he/it/they are not bound by the laws of nature otherwise they would not be gods!!!!!
If there are gods any of the laws and the basic basic physics constants are open to change without notice.
G as in the gravity constant could change from it value of 6.67 * 10^-11 m^3/kg and PI could change from being roughly 3.1416 to any value and Planck and Ryberg constants and so on.
The whole universe could change into something strange that human life could not even exist in however leprechauns, fairies, unicorns, and flying spaghetti monsters could.
Such would be the powers of a god to do at whim as otherwise he would hardly be a god and a universe that have gods in it anything is possible.
It seems to me Bill that there is some sort of doubt lurking at the bottom of your consciousness.
It's a thread about doubt. And you say you don't doubt. That you are certain.
Why do you keep trying to prove that you are right in your certainty? It is the ladies who doubt their good looks who keep looking in mirrors.
What's it to you if you are certain except in regard to the social consequences of the beliefs of others. And if it is in that regard then you have opened the door to the consideration of the social consequences of general unbelief.
So tell us what you think they are. Don't use a social consequences argument against Christians and then shy away from others using the social consequences argument on atheism.
And what's it to you if you are certain from any other point of view? What's your objection?
It seems to me Bill that there is some sort of doubt lurking at the bottom of your consciousness.
It's a thread about doubt. And you say you don't doubt. That you are certain.
Why do you keep trying to prove that you are right in your certainty? It is the ladies who doubt their good looks who keep looking in mirrors.
What's it to you if you are certain except in regard to the social consequences of the beliefs of others. And if it is in that regard then you have opened the door to the consideration of the social consequences of general unbelief.
So tell us what you think they are.Don't use a social consequences argument against Christians and then shy away from others using the social consequences argument on atheism.
And what's it to you if you are certain from any other point of view? What's your objection?
Spot on!! Thumbs up!!!
So raise your thumb if you are wrong! In all the right ways!! All my underdogs!!!! (song from Pink)
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XXSpadeMasterXX
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 09:46 am
@BillRM,
PROVE IT!! Stop using the Christian God...And telling us how he is ridiculous, and Why he is ridiculous, And how evil you "think" he is...And explain how atheism is right!!! Or, explain these other ridiculous things that approach zero in probability...in detail for us...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 09:56 am
Since atheists Feel were wrong...This is a shout out to all the Believers out there!!! And atheists will get a kick out of some of the state of affairs anyways...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 10:35 am
I should say...In my study of quantum's, Metaphysics, psychics, Science, Social Science, Chemistry, Neurosciences, Study of the Brain, Swirl Patterns, Philosophy, Psychology, Religion, Skepticism, Inductions, Cog-natives, Subjective, Perspectives, Reasoning, And Logic...And with my 7 doctorates I have!
I have cracked the code of what atheism is! And I can sum up my "theory" in a 3:22 video!! Enjoy!!
And if any atheist approaches me with hostility for the video...Suppose you post your hate toward your girl Pink, Who proposed the video, in the first place!
I did not know religious people could listen to that type of music. Just kidding its not bad Ryan.
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reasoning logic
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Sun 15 Apr, 2012 12:42 pm
@Frank Apisa,
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The fact that we do not "believe" there are no gods doesn't seem to matter to them.
I copied and pasted this
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The fact that we do not "believe" there are no
I added the words "Most of us here know" in the front and changed we to you and added "also" behind you and then added "elves, leprechaun , flying spaghetti monsters and so forth" at the end. "That is a copy and paste from your quote and I am sure that everyone can acknowledge that even if you are not willing.
"Most of us here know the fact that you also do not "believe" there are no elves, leprechaun , flying spaghetti monsters and so forth."
You were saying that it was incoherent or something like that?
So the voice of reason and logical can be hear a little louder then otherwise as this is in fact the first time and culture such statements and positions can be taken on such issues without fear of jailing and or even being slowly torture to death.
People in not small areas of the world today are being jail or even sentence to death for going against the local god fantasy.
Religions believers had done enough harm now and in the past that they should be challenge at all possible opportunity in the public square.
