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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 12:32 am
@BillRM,
Our experiences are different...

But when you claim God is evil because...

When rather saying he is non-existent, because...

Shows you are rejecting what you feel about this God...and are against him, Clearly not someone who believes he is non-existent...

Not Equal ...and does not make any sense at all! If you think about it...

When you post to us, about how evil god is...Your not REALLY speaking to us...But are talking over our heads, and saying to this God, you see as evil...I am pissed at you because....

It has little difference if we "believe" he is real or not...You would still be against him...

SO your CLEARLY not trying to sway any religious ones...Just pounding your chest to whatever God you think is out there....

That is what is silly!
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 12:57 am
@BillRM,
The more I think about this Bill, You sound like what modern day people call a Satanist, Not an atheist...

You believe God is real, and are pissed at him because...

Your previous posts of being in a dungeon, and whipping someone supports that you think like this...

And if my memory is correct, you have even said you AGREE with these angels who rebelled against God...

That is not an atheist proposition, but that of a Satanist...

I bet if I were to ask you, If god was real and sent you to Hell, you would not care, and would think Hell is better than Heaven anyways, right??

Because these angels were right over this Evil God??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 01:00 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Actually like you, grammer sucks. But, I'm a highly intelligent person, so that would make it difficult really to be known as "silly"... Although I make people laugh alot and there, they call me silly.... In any event, you are now defining this God, ? Christian Smile Says something doesn't it....

Yes it does! That he is either for or against this God, one way or another...Not a person who is in a rejection of belief of Him...Or a belief he is non-existent...
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 01:07 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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Your previous posts of being in a dungeon, and whipping someone supports that you think like this...



Shirt, wait, Jesus believed in slaves.. But, that's taking it to a different level don't you think? Mr. Green Rebel Question Wink
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 01:11 am
@reasoning logic,
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Where did we create them from?


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I personally think that truth really shines through when we realize that really do not know how all of this came together and our guesses are probably wrong.

I like science and how it's working models explain things. I do realize that it is not perfect and we will forever continue to improve on these working models and by doing so we are at times able to benefit from progress.


Ah, but that's the question.. Just as much as where did God and the belief come from... Then you have questions all round...

I would imagine from beginning of time, Mother's told stories to their children... But, it would be interesting to go right back.. Because we are saying that the tooth fairy, fairytales, Father Xmas, are not real, never were. But, still people believe God and his son, Jesus are... Yet some like Bill claim that he isn't real either, he's made up as well.. Which is different than saying I believe in him or I don't.

Saint Nicholas
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A medieval fresco depicting St Nicholas from the Boyana Church, near Sofia, BulgariaSaint Nicholas of Myra is the primary inspiration for the Christian figure of Sinterklaas. He was a 4th century Greek Christian bishop of Myra (now Demre) in Lycia, a province of the Byzantine Anatolia, now in Turkey. Nicholas was famous for his generous gifts to the poor, in particular presenting the three impoverished daughters of a pious Christian with dowries so that they would not have to become prostitutes.[8] He was very religious from an early age and devoted his life entirely to Christianity. In continental Europe (more precisely the Netherlands, Belgium, Austria and Germany) he is usually portrayed as a bearded bishop in canonical robes. In 1087, the Italian city of Bari, wanting to enter the profitable pilgrimage industry of the times, mounted an expedition to locate the tomb of the Christian Saint and procure his remains. The reliquary of St. Nicholas was desecrated by Italian sailors and the spoils, including his relics, taken to Bari[9][10] where they are kept to this day. A basilica was constructed the same year to store the loot and the area became a pilgrimage site for the devout, thus justifying the economic cost of the expedition. Saint Nicholas was later claimed as a patron saint of many diverse groups, from archers, sailors, and children to pawnbrokers.[8][11] He is also the patron saint of both Amsterdam and Moscow.[12]


Well there you have it Bill SANTA CLAUSE actually exists, well he did......Smile And, he was Christian is this why you only mention "Christians?"
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 01:53 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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Saint Nicholas was later claimed as a patron saint of many diverse groups, from archers, sailors,

I like the read....But the Patron Saint of Sailors is Saint Elmo...Who I believe got fired up, because he did not like the name! Wink Wink Very Happy
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 01:53 am
@Frank Apisa,
Frank Apisa wrote:
This arose because some atheists here want to classify me, and other agnostics, as atheists. They say that we do not "believe" in a god, we are atheists. The fact that we do not "believe" there are no gods doesn't seem to matter to them.

I understand why they want to count us as atheists. It would definitely improve the pool.


Improve the pool? That's pretty hilarious. Very few, indeed, of the atheists who frequent this site stomp around ranting the way Bill does. Even Edgar, who is an explicit, or strong atheist, rarely comments. Some people, like Little Kay, only ever comment in the context of "non-hostile" threads about atheism. She started one, but it quickly became overrun by ranting, canting theists, and it seems that she has pretty well abandoned it.

What you have here is the fallacy of the enumeration of favorable circumstances, a commonly known fallacy in statistics. You want to think that most atheists are explicit atheists, so you only pay heed to the explicit atheists, like Bill, stomping around ranting. That tends to confirm your bias. In fact, this place is full of atheists who never get involved in stupidity such as this thread. Me, i'm easily entertained, so i'm a sucker for bullshit such as this.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:00 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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I like the read....But the Patron Saint of Sailors is Saint Elmo...Who I believe got fired up, because he did not like the name!
Now there you go, see how man obviously, therefore, has gotten something wrong? Question Question Mr. Green

I'd like to pose a question not to you Ryan, but to I mean Spades : )But, to everyone else, except Set, in-case he trys to chew my azz or something Smile Na, doesn't matter, in any case.

Forget God, Christians, fairytales, Father Xmas...

What does the word FAITH mean to you?
Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:06 am
@FOUND SOUL,
So, you want to bad-mouth me, but then expect me to play your witless games? You can forget that ****.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:27 am
@Setanta,
Actually no Set...

It was called having a sense of humor, which I think that you do have as well... or I perceived that you would see that as kidding... I have no reason to bad mouth you..

I am actually also curious as to what all think of the word Faith or else I wouldn't have posed the question.

I'm not into games.. Usually in the past if I attempted that it would bite me in the butt, maybe hense, the comment...

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Setanta
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:36 am
I understood that the remark was tongue-in-cheek, nevertheless, it implies that i "chew asses"--criticizing people, or contradicting them, or questioning them does not constitute chewing someone's ass.
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:45 am
@Setanta,
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Usually in the past if I attempted that it would bite me in the butt, maybe hense, the comment...


Set, sometimes I speak before I think... Kind of like how I sometimes read someone's words before they write them...

So, I am going to say to everyone reading this, I was thinking of geez sometimes when I write things it bites me in the bum... Coupled with, Set was the last to reply and therefore the two thoughts came together as one, un-intentionally... and I left it, because I have a "silly" sense of humor....

I think you are you, you speak as you want to... There is no, absolutely no, critisism from me.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:47 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
The Christian god is real you got to be kidding me?????????

The devil story and the rebellion is just one example of the many irrational elements in the bible story and the one that in fact was the first trigger of my doubts concerning the bible as a child.

As once more why would half of all the angels in heaven rebel against an all powerful god and why would an all powerful god allow such a rebellion in the first place?

Sorry but the devil is no more likely to be real then the father, holy ghost or the son it all irrational nonsense that you should be ashame of yourself for believing in as an adult.

No I am not a devil worshiper however going by the bible the true main devil would be the old man who drown almost all land life on the planet at a whim.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 02:57 am
@BillRM,
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No I am not a devil worshiper however going by the bible the true main devil would be the old man who drown almost all land life on the planet at a whim.

See you said all that, But said this at the end...So I am not convinced...Sorry...

If God is the Devil? And the Devil apposed him, who is the Devil to you if real??
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 03:07 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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What does the word FAITH mean to you?

This is my definition of the Word "faith" for you...

The words ''faith" and "believe" means accepting an Idea as truth....But the way the Bible describes it...It may not be summed up other than the way the Bible describes it...In its language...and text...

The way the Bible describes it, Is Trust and reliance on Christ...Surrendering of our wills to Christ...And conduct consistent with that surrendering....

That is faith and belief....So in other words it is at some point a total submission for God...and Trust WITHOUT reservation in it....
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FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 03:10 am
@BillRM,
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As once more why would half of all the angels in heaven rebel against an all powerful god and why would an all powerful god allow such a rebellion in the first place?
All powerful politicians end up with a rebellious team that try to get them out of power, or one person does ,so that they can win.

All egotistical, venturous business owners that feel they have found a flaw will attempt to make a killing by using that flaw be it price, or otherwise, to defeat the leader.

If there was a God and a Devil and both were as powerful as each other, I can see one feeling he is more so, but like all lessons, maybe not, maybe it's a constant battle. Like humans fighting their demons... And like the above, fighting to win.

Seems to me, everything is about winning or losing...

Therefore there will always be a fight to the end.
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 03:11 am
@FOUND SOUL,
Hebrews 11 (New Living Translation)
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Hebrews 11

New Living Translation (NLT)
Great Examples of Faith

11 Faith is the confidence that what we hope for will actually happen; it gives us assurance about things we cannot see. 2 Through their faith, the people in days of old earned a good reputation.

3 By faith we understand that the entire universe was formed at God’s command, that what we now see did not come from anything that can be seen.

4 It was by faith that Abel brought a more acceptable offering to God than Cain did. Abel’s offering gave evidence that he was a righteous man, and God showed his approval of his gifts. Although Abel is long dead, he still speaks to us by his example of faith.

5 It was by faith that Enoch was taken up to heaven without dying—“he disappeared, because God took him.”[a] For before he was taken up, he was known as a person who pleased God. 6 And it is impossible to please God without faith. Anyone who wants to come to him must believe that God exists and that he rewards those who sincerely seek him.

7 It was by faith that Noah built a large boat to save his family from the flood. He obeyed God, who warned him about things that had never happened before. By his faith Noah condemned the rest of the world, and he received the righteousness that comes by faith.

8 It was by faith that Abraham obeyed when God called him to leave home and go to another land that God would give him as his inheritance. He went without knowing where he was going. 9 And even when he reached the land God promised him, he lived there by faith—for he was like a foreigner, living in tents. And so did Isaac and Jacob, who inherited the same promise. 10 Abraham was confidently looking forward to a city with eternal foundations, a city designed and built by God.

11 It was by faith that even Sarah was able to have a child, though she was barren and was too old. She believed that God would keep his promise. 12 And so a whole nation came from this one man who was as good as dead—a nation with so many people that, like the stars in the sky and the sand on the seashore, there is no way to count them.

13 All these people died still believing what God had promised them. They did not receive what was promised, but they saw it all from a distance and welcomed it. They agreed that they were foreigners and nomads here on earth. 14 Obviously people who say such things are looking forward to a country they can call their own. 15 If they had longed for the country they came from, they could have gone back. 16 But they were looking for a better place, a heavenly homeland. That is why God is not ashamed to be called their God, for he has prepared a city for them.

17 It was by faith that Abraham offered Isaac as a sacrifice when God was testing him. Abraham, who had received God’s promises, was ready to sacrifice his only son, Isaac, 18 even though God had told him, “Isaac is the son through whom your descendants will be counted.”[c] 19 Abraham reasoned that if Isaac died, God was able to bring him back to life again. And in a sense, Abraham did receive his son back from the dead.

20 It was by faith that Isaac promised blessings for the future to his sons, Jacob and Esau.

21 It was by faith that Jacob, when he was old and dying, blessed each of Joseph’s sons and bowed in worship as he leaned on his staff.

22 It was by faith that Joseph, when he was about to die, said confidently that the people of Israel would leave Egypt. He even commanded them to take his bones with them when they left.

23 It was by faith that Moses’ parents hid him for three months when he was born. They saw that God had given them an unusual child, and they were not afraid to disobey the king’s command.

24 It was by faith that Moses, when he grew up, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh’s daughter. 25 He chose to share the oppression of God’s people instead of enjoying the fleeting pleasures of sin. 26 He thought it was better to suffer for the sake of Christ than to own the treasures of Egypt, for he was looking ahead to his great reward. 27 It was by faith that Moses left the land of Egypt, not fearing the king’s anger. He kept right on going because he kept his eyes on the one who is invisible. 28 It was by faith that Moses commanded the people of Israel to keep the Passover and to sprinkle blood on the doorposts so that the angel of death would not kill their firstborn sons.

29 It was by faith that the people of Israel went right through the Red Sea as though they were on dry ground. But when the Egyptians tried to follow, they were all drowned.

30 It was by faith that the people of Israel marched around Jericho for seven days, and the walls came crashing down.

31 It was by faith that Rahab the prostitute was not destroyed with the people in her city who refused to obey God. For she had given a friendly welcome to the spies.

32 How much more do I need to say? It would take too long to recount the stories of the faith of Gideon, Barak, Samson, Jephthah, David, Samuel, and all the prophets. 33 By faith these people overthrew kingdoms, ruled with justice, and received what God had promised them. They shut the mouths of lions, 34 quenched the flames of fire, and escaped death by the edge of the sword. Their weakness was turned to strength. They became strong in battle and put whole armies to flight. 35 Women received their loved ones back again from death.

But others were tortured, refusing to turn from God in order to be set free. They placed their hope in a better life after the resurrection. 36 Some were jeered at, and their backs were cut open with whips. Others were chained in prisons. 37 Some died by stoning, some were sawed in half,[d] and others were killed with the sword. Some went about wearing skins of sheep and goats, destitute and oppressed and mistreated. 38 They were too good for this world, wandering over deserts and mountains, hiding in caves and holes in the ground.

39 All these people earned a good reputation because of their faith, yet none of them received all that God had promised. 40 For God had something better in mind for us, so that they would not reach perfection without us.

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Hebrews+11&version=NLT
FOUND SOUL
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 03:18 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
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39 All these people earned a good reputation because of their faith, yet none of them received all that God had promised. 40 For God had something better in mind for us, so that they would not reach perfection without us.


Dear me, torture? Ok, can you elaborate on this last one.. Whilst I am curious of what people think of the word Faith.. And, I thank you for obviously this word has a huge meaning to you Smile But, this last quote.. "For us, without us?"
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 03:19 am
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Did not mean to bold it..I don't know why it happened, sorry...
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 14 Apr, 2012 04:06 am
@FOUND SOUL,
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39 All these people earned a good reputation because of their faith, yet none of them received all that God had promised. 40 For God had something better in mind for us, so that they would not reach perfection without us.



New International Version (©1984)
God had planned something better for us so that only together with us would they be made perfect.

http://bible.cc/hebrews/11-40.htm

(Kingdom of Heaven)

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