Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

I have not watched your video but will soon!

Not only that...I have met a few who were historical geniuses...Who have mastered history...Who get 8 out of every ten questions right on jeopardy...and when I talked to them about philosophical debates, or things in mind, they were silenced and speechless....

Here is what I think about the video...

Is he certain that science is destroying theism? He quotes the seizures to demonic possessions rather then epilepsy...is he certain it is not a demonic possession? How is he certain? Does he know for sure, going to be cleansed from a priest would cure you worse/better than that of medicine??

I can link a youtube video depicting science is getting more and more wrong...

And all of this thinking goes in par to what is claimed in the Bible as what will happen/take place near the end....

What makes him believe religion is false, when religion was the birth of science to begin with??



What is the purpose of an atheistic life style? What is the significance, or reason why an atheist wold not do whatever they pleased whenever they wanted?? What is the good to buying into an atheist society? Why is it a form of weakness to have submission>? And, If atheism is right, and we rot, it makes no difference at all...With a God, all actions are perpetual...What is the incentive for a person of an atheistic belief, to truly do good for humanity, rather than themselves? at all, ever?


How is he certain that religion is losing the argument on every front? And we will know more through science than what philosophy has provided?

I can link a youtube video depicting science is getting more and more wrong...

One question...If this is how you feel...Why did you post a youtube video posting how science is getting more and more wrong??

From the above:

It is not for atheists to prove God exists...We never ask them to do such a thing...And it is not a responsibility for theists to prove to an atheist that God exists either...that is a total challenge of faith...and not one religious would do such a thing....But if you need to go down that path, look at miracles...and tell me what science has explained them as...Is not a shitty explanation of unexplained things, that point toward a God....Example: calling a stigmata a psychosomatic manifestation....When any logical brain can see it clearly points the finger directly toward Christ...Nothing less, nothing more....Science may "believe' they destroy a stigmata, and its validity...But they have not...It is their opinions...In which the person who suffered from the experience is the MOST RELIABLE! Not a scientist, not matter what they believe or how smart they are! and the same holds true for a near death expereince etc....

All you have to do is be honest with yourself, If you feel that your life is complete, with no reason to ever have an incentive to do good apposed to bad...I guess I can live with that...But it is ridiculous...And is clearly an evasion of the power to actually submit yourself....And there really is no other reason to explain it...Other than some are good people, some are not, But there is NO INCENTIVE WHATSOEVER, to actually do ANYTHING other than what you pertain to be correct...And in human nature we see we are wrong all the time....

However, with a God, and Not one atheist can destroy this, no matter what they claim, With a God, EVERY ACTION IS ALWAYS PERPETUAL!...AND HAS PREPOSTEROUS>>>>AND EVERY ACTION HAS SIGNIFICANCE! Not only that, but not one atheist will describe what a theist should buy into as atheistic society....To help us advance from being brainwashed into dogmatic cults, when we are easily persuadable....

One last thing...Again....(think about this very carefully) If a God is not real, it makes no difference at all whatsoever what anyone ever chooses to do, in their life...some chose to help others, some do not...If a God is real...Everything has a meaning, EVEN IF IT IS NOT FULLY UNDERSTOOD HERE ON EARTH!

If anyone can explain that to me, I will gladly talk to them about your link!

Oh yeah, and one more thing....I will gladly go up to scientists and provide my experiences which destroy that they are not credible....and I think I know a few on here who would say the same....Matter of fact, as we speak, I have been tested, and your modern day science can not explain my experiences, not the other way around!

I will give you one such example... I have said before, but you may not have read...I have been tested by scientists...And when I had told them I had been hit by the Spirit of God, they had determined, that the brain cells in my brain had tripled....and to this day, they still ask me to do tests to try to understand more about me....I do not go looking for them, they are looking for me....

That does not seem like there is exactly zero cases of evidence which science can not explain like you link says....

And I guarantee, that if a Scientist was to talk to someone with a near death experience or something, the same exact result would happen, the scientists would have no answer, or be inconclusive....

And Hint: the Scientists, Doctors etc...Saying they are delusional, or it is imagined is NOT AN ACCEPTABLE ANSWER...even though I feel most atheists, and scientists feel that that is a explanation....Which it is not....It means they wrote something off they could not explain, as being insanity...Because it causes problems for them to think, they could not fully explain an out of this world experience, with which they ALREADY feel that they have, and can!

Leaving aside the lame English here--you've got a gall. You savage anyone who persists in questioning your goofy claims. You're a hypocrite--you cannot handle criticism at all without getting nastier and nastier toward anyone who questions you. You also apparently lack the courage to address me directly.

As i pointed out to Izzy, i didn't call Wmwcjr any names--i just criticized what he said. I hardly need lessons in maturity from a back-biting guttersnipe like you.

Ahhahahahahahahahahahahaha . . .

Nothing to do with lack of courage...Have I not told you how it is before? Why would you believe I would not do the same here?

It was honestly, Because I did not feel like arguing with you, But none the less...You felt the need to attack me, when I did not even mention you by name...Which is what you had asked me to refrain from doing if we were to not talk....

You are the one who needs maturity lessons, and like Frank said, are truly one of the rudest individuals on here!

If you think that I buy into your speech because of your mastering of History your wrong indeed! Like I said I give 2 shits what you think, based on the fact that your 60+ and have not learned how to act and speak so that people will accept your positions...This shows whatever knowledge you have, you did not learn at all that much!

I actuallydont laugh out loud at his moral tales of personal daring-do. I just find his preaching pathetic and fraudulent. His baldface turning of facts without even a "by your leave" is as good as any of the TV evangelists.



Todays "Factoid from Jesus land" is how everyone must conclude that stigmata are, by even the meanest of inspections, undoubtedly the result of miraculous intervention(s).

Glad you think it is funny! It shows you have the same exact mentality they did...they felt they knew everything because of their book smarts, but when conversation arrived that required logical thinking, and educated guesses about true important information, not some American history lesson, they were utterly fucken clueless! Just like you are!....

I am going to go away, because I honestly can not stand, and even detest me wasting my time with a man who is angry, because he realizes he is getting up in age and is pissed at the world for it! and thinks he can belittle people when he wants too...And this website is his little sandbox!

( I would tear your posts to shreds but get nothing done all day)

Have a nice day Setanta....Do not be pissed at me for voicing my opinion, in which you did the same! and if it is true, And you are upset your getting up in age, it is not my problem either! I will have to cross that bridge someday too! But your too thick headed to even realize this...Even if you are truthful about your age...Or mad about it....

You've never told me how anything is, because you don't know. Whenever anyone here persistently criticizes or questions you, you lose it--in no time at all you're making personal remarks and calling them names. You have no basis upon which to talk to anyone else about maturity. But FM has nailed it down with you:



You vicious attacks on FM are just the latest example of your inability to deal with criticism an questing, which leads you to hysteria and personal attacks.

It makes a Hell of a lot more sense, it has relevancy to Christ, and points the finger toward him....than that of scientists "thinking" they cracked the code, and it is a psychosomatic manifestation....

You've never been ablt to tear any post of mine to shreds. Your ego is hilarious. You don't anger me, i find you sad and pathetic. You rant about maturity, but you couldn't get through your first paragraph without personal insults. Hypocrite.

what, your esperiences are not credible? Your syntactic rerrangements of phrases do you justice.

and for a donation of 25 bucks you will make water boil with your mind. What were the "Scientists" testing you for?
If someone actually believed you, Where would we be able to see the evidence regarding these "triple mass of brain cells"? The more I read your crap, the more Im convinced that those TV evangelists are used to pushing the "Big Lie" cause its almost easier to have people buy into something totally otrageous as it is to dioscuss some small natural phenomenon. Its just amazing though that you are so self deluded and just go-on and on as if someone is taking this stuff as truth.

incredulous in the keystone state

You really are a very sad man, when anyone contradicts you, you do resort to name calling. It's possible to disagree with someone without using terms like 'bullshit.'

You're the one with an ego problem, accusing me of following you around trying to trip you up. For an old man you've got a lot of growing up to do.

So then could this??

Be said about him as well?? Go back and read how he snarls at me...Contradicts himself...And dodges my questions, then calls me out for such things....

You wrote:

Nope, Not at all true either, and your own personal take! And the same can be said about FM, and you!....I am fiery, and the way you approach me is how you will be treated...I said it to FM, and have probably said it to you, and it is true....Anytime I have had good conversations is because people were respectful of me, and I did the same in return....When a couple of fuckwits like you 2 come along who think who the **** you are....Regardless if I am Christian or not....Than that is how you will be treated....Till it takes you to realize that the way you act and speak, is the way your spoken too!

It makes no difference how long you have been here, your age...or if your a moderator or not...Other people may back down from the way you act toward them! I will do no such thing! I have seen the Devil himself! You 2 do not even make me tremble in the slightest! And for you to propose I dodged you for lack of courage is laughable at best, when you know we have been here before...and I will still go into our own debate thread and take the gloves off...and before you say the gloves are not on again...If that is the best you can do to hurt me or bring me down....You not even as good of being an asshole as you think you are....

Saying "bullshit" is not name calling. I didn't call Wmwcjr any names. But i'll indulge that a little now. You said i had when i hadn't. That makes you a liar. At no time have i accused you of "following [me] around trying to trip [me] up." That's another lie. You're the one who needs to grow up. You just jumped in with both feet to take an opportunity for a cheap shot after i had contradicted Wmwcjr. That's all it was, taking a cheap shot.

So, calling people who disagree with you and criticize you "fuckwits," is that an example of your respectful attitude? Is that an example of your "maturity?"

I'm not trying to hurt you or bring you down. You're nothing to me. I criticized what Wmwcjr wrote. First Izzy and now you have come along to sneer about that, even though the remarks were not personal about him, nor addressed to either of you. Izzy, at least, had the guts to refer to me outright. You just weaseled in with "they." There's only one of me, bright boy.

He is an old man, and is mad that he is near the end of his life....This is what I feel....But it would be almost infinity before he was truthful about this and admitted it to be the case....

I only know of one instance of stigmata in the US in recent years and this was a kid who , as it turned out, was engaging in self mutilation so it died as a story as quickly as it appeared. Most of these stigmata episodes occur in somepace where (usually) Roman Catholic zeal controls a lot of the day to day activities of the people. Places like several off islands of the Phillipines have yielded more stigmata celebrants than almost anywhere in the rest of the world combined. You think that perhaps that said manifestations of "deific possessions" are more ikely the local practice of devotion in action?
I think that most stigmata episodes are just reported, marvelled at, then dropped from view without ANY follow-up.
Just like when the Liberty College professor of Archeaology had reported that he found a fossil human AND dinosaur together in the same geological horizon. When viewed more closely by some mildly interested "real" scientists , it was found to be a hoax.

Lets talk about the sustainability of these manifestations of the "divine". Im willing to bet that theres not hardly a one that stands up to scurtiny. If you can provide any evidence (this would include a report from someone other than your "testimony") that such manifestations really have occured, then maybe Id back off and discuss this more reasonably. At this point I havent seen anything credible from your keyboard YET.