Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

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@Krumple,

Your post of: I know you wrote out more,...

All your own personal interpretations of how things are/and are not....

With which others see it from a different perspective, Is yours less credible? Then neither is theirs...

That is all I am going to say...I do not feel like posting another 5000 text post to answer...

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@Krumple,

Why would you like me to ONLY talk about Buddhism, if I do not know anything about the other religions??...

This is what I learned from Buddhism...

it's a religion or philosophy of the Buddhist doctrine and what Siddhartha Gautama, saw...And is credited as being the Supreme Buddha...Or Buddha-Kulaks

The main principals of Buddhisms are...

Buddhists believe...the teaching(s) of Buddha is that life is permeated with suffering caused by desire... suffering(s) ceases when desire(s) cease...and that enlightenment, is obtained through good actions and wisdom... and meditation releases one from desire(s) and suffering(s) and are reborn again....

They believe in an eight fold path...Much like the ten commandments...Some the same, Some different...

They believe that Meditation is the way to "blow out" flames which are the reasons for having desires which are the root causes of suffering...

The Dali Lama, Is the 14th reincarnation of the Supreme being known as Buddha-Kulaks-ah-dish-lama (Spelling is wrong, maybe?) I do not know how it is spelled, I know what it sounds like...

They believe you can be reincarnated (some think) once...or many times...You can be reincarnated lower, or higher...So you could be a Cat in your next life, Or a more enlightened being...Going up and down, from one life to the next....If your mind is mostly not dominated by anger you will go up, If your mind is, You will be purged in Hell, Till the spirit is cleansed, and be reincarnated at a level where your being is right for sustainable life, or less anger...So, more suitable for you...

They believe that meditation is the way to understand the root cause of suffering and it is wordless...

I could go on, But I think this is sufficient enough...

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Now here are the reasons why I would say that Christianity is more reliable, than that of Buddhism...

There would more than likely be someone who moderated the action of being reborn...There would be a Being who would say, you are able to be saved, or reborn Higher, and or say, you did not do enough, so you need a purge....It does not make sense that a spirit can do this by itself...

And second, If Buddha was right, then there is NO REASON for the step of being reincarnated lower...If the ultimate goal is to be a supreme being of the human form, then there is absolutely no reason why a person would need to go down to go back up again...You could cut that step right out of there...It is not necessary...If you go as low as low goes, is there anything but up? And Buddha would know, The importance of staying in a human form, when reaching that point of rebirths...

I also believe Buddha reached enlightenment, or Heaven in one try...

I believe reincarnation is possible, but it is not the first choice people will choose...It stands as a second or multiple option to be saved....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

It makes sense, that there is a moderator between us and God...Jesus is that person, and said I am the life, way, truth...

The only way to the father is thru me, Not like Islam says, that the most sacred miracle is scripture...

It does not make sense the spirit can do this on its own...

Which begs me to ask why did you single out Buddhism??

Does it have something to do with the fact that that is the only other theology that YOU are aware of its principals??

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Why would you like me to ONLY talk about Buddhism, if I do not know anything about the other religions??...

This is what I learned from Buddhism...

it's a religion or philosophy of the Buddhist doctrine and what Siddhartha Gautama, saw...And is credited as being the Supreme Buddha...Or Buddha-Kulaks

The main principals of Buddhisms are...

Buddhists believe...the teaching(s) of Buddha is that life is permeated with suffering caused by desire... suffering(s) ceases when desire(s) cease...and that enlightenment, is obtained through good actions and wisdom... and meditation releases one from desire(s) and suffering(s) and are reborn again....

They believe in an eight fold path...Much like the ten commandments...Some the same, Some different...

The eightfold path is nothing like the commandments.

They believe that Meditation is the way to "blow out" flames which are the reasons for having desires which are the root causes of suffering...

The Dali Lama, Is the 14th reincarnation of the Supreme being known as Buddha-Kulaks-ah-dish-lama (Spelling is wrong, maybe?) I do not know how it is spelled, I know what it sounds like...

They believe you can be reincarnated (some think) once...or many times...You can be reincarnated lower, or higher...So you could be a Cat in your next life, Or a more enlightened being...Going up and down, from one life to the next....If your mind is mostly not dominated by anger you will go up, If your mind is, You will be purged in Hell, Till the spirit is cleansed, and be reincarnated at a level where your being is right for sustainable life, or less anger...So, more suitable for you...

They believe that meditation is the way to understand the root cause of suffering and it is wordless...

I could go on, But I think this is sufficient enough...

I'm not buying it. The ways in which you describe certain things about it and leave out others makes me question that you are getting this off the top of your head.

You say the eightfold path is like the commandments but they are nothing like the ten commandments. Not much study would a person realize this being the case. The commandments deal with sin, but the eightfold path is not something commanded or else the person faces the wrath of some deity.

Your explanation of the four noble truths (which you don't actually state) but fully explain to such a degree that not even I would have written it out like that.

To just about anyone who knows anything about buddhism and saw your synopsis would probably come to the same conclusion. You pulled this info from a source other than your own brain.

The thing that gives it away, is that you miss the very simplistic things about buddhism that just about anyone would have said, like karma, and go WAY into too much detail on things that are easier to explain had you studied it even to a very insignificant amount.

No mention of dukkha which could be understood if you only had a rudamentry understanding of buddhism but then you would have mentioned that suffering is not the only meaning or point.

No mention of Nirvana? Why? I would have thought just about anyone who has studied anything about buddhism would have mentioned. Yet you actually come close but use an obscure colorful definition instead?? Not very usual even for someone who has a lot of knowledge on buddhism, or someone pulling off an info site would mistake for something else??

There are other terminology that you have left out that a very rudamentry understanding or study of buddhism would have been mentioned had you actually pulled it off the top of your head.

I give you a D- for effort.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I also believe Buddha reached enlightenment, or Heaven in one try...

Enlightenment does not equal heaven. The buddha isn't in some heaven. In fact had you actually studied buddhism, you would have known that heaven resides within the desire realm and is imperfect. Beings who reside in the heaven realm are still subject to impermenance. In other words they are still subject to samsara.

If you don't believe what I'm saying here, do a search for "The six realms of existence."

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

Which begs me to ask why did you single out Buddhism??

Does it have something to do with the fact that that is the only other theology that YOU are aware of its principals??

No, it is typically the one that most chrisitians no nothing about. I could have asked you about the others. I wasn't going to ask you about all of them because I had already knew the answer to my question. It is obvisous to me that you have never actually studied anything about buddhism. All the stuff you mentioned was pulled randomly off info sites or wiki.

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@Krumple,

Why on Earth, would someone who did not believe that "anything is possible", see anything that is not possible?

For me it started with "factuals". Aura's around bodies, they are real yes?

I'm not typing to justify that I am write, I am typing to "speak" of things that I personally have experienced, doesn't make me right to you and it doesn't make you right to me.

Why would I see things you wouldn't? My mind is more open to possibilities or my soul has been re-incarnated one, twice, thrice who friggen knows and therefore, I can see things, as part of my past lives here, on Earth in my present.

You can not say that's not possible as who knows if we are in-deed re-incarnated, die, and be re-born, like seeds of a plant once the plant has died off, yet the seed lives and creates another plant..

With nothing in reality explained, it's anyone's guess but what you believe in is choice, and given the things I have seen in my life, it's my choice to believe that I see because I am meant to see and only God knows why, if there is one, which I believe that there is.

I'm not stupid enough to not understand that some things we see are because 1) we are children with a vivid imagination, or 2) we are ill or 3) childhood movies scared us and reminds us when something simular occurs later in life.

But, to wake up as you feel something is there and see something at the end of your bed at 11 and say, yeah right my imagination, so you sit up and this "person" is still there looking out the window only to realise you are awake, and disappears to make you question if you were dreaming? But, yet you are awake? No hallucinations there.

You can't claim what you have gone through in life, means what I have, is meaningless to you. Well you can because we are not on the same page, my choice in why I believe the things that I have seen, have to mean something instead of nothing.

I don't believe there are favourites, I believe in re-incarnation and in that, that I've been here before, perhaps you are just a little baby on this Earth Smile

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Why on Earth, would someone who did not believe that "anything is possible", see anything that is not possible?

Well I can tell now that you have never read any of my posts. I never said there is absolutely no possiblity for a god existing. I said I have nothing to base it on. Nothing has convinced me to come to the conclusion that one does exist. If one were to present itself, in such a way that many here have claimed they recieve visions or what ever, then all it would have to do is follow suit. Basically what you are trying to argue is that I should just accept it to be true without any reason to do it and then I would know. That is silly.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

For me it started with "factuals". Aura's around bodies, they are real yes?

Never seen them, so no not right now I don't.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

I'm not typing to justify that I am write, I am typing to "speak" of things that I personally have experienced, doesn't make me right to you and it doesn't make you right to me.

I am saying that anecdotal evidence is not evidence for me.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

Why would I see things you wouldn't? My mind is more open to possibilities or my soul has been re-incarnated one, twice, thrice who friggen knows and therefore, I can see things, as part of my past lives here, on Earth in my present.

Great for you but your multiple lives does nothing to help me.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

You can not say that's not possible as who knows if we are in-deed re-incarnated, die, and be re-born, like seeds of a plant once the plant has died off, yet the seed lives and creates another plant..

A seed is not the continuation of the plant. A seed is an offspring of the plant. If you cross polinate a plant, the seeds it generates will be different than the parent plant.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

With nothing in reality explained, it's anyone's guess but what you believe in is choice, and given the things I have seen in my life, it's my choice to believe that I see because I am meant to see and only God knows why, if there is one, which I believe that there is.

How many times do I have to mention that your personal experiences does nothing to convince me. I don't have those experiences so there is no good reason for me to believe you. Just like I don't believe that people are being abducted by aliens.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

You can't claim what you have gone through in life, means what I have, is meaningless to you. Well you can because we are not on the same page, my choice in why I believe the things that I have seen, have to mean something instead of nothing.

They might mean something to you, but they are not to me. Your experiences are unreliable for me to base anything on for myself. There could be explanations as to why you have had those experiences and I haven't. I am not convinced off of someone else's experience. I am not saying I don't believe you, I am saying it is not reliable enough for me to base a belief on for myself.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

I don't believe there are favourites, I believe in re-incarnation and in that, that I've been here before, perhaps you are just a little baby on this Earth

Maybe, but yet still, that does nothing to help me now does it?

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@Krumple,

That God exists is an existential proposition. That God doesn't exist is absurd because if the subject of the sentence, God, does not exist then the negative existential proposition is patently absurd assuming the statement is true.

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@spendius,

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That God exists is an existential proposition. That God doesn't exist is absurd because if the subject of the sentence, God, does not exist then the negative existential proposition is patently absurd assuming the statement is true.

You are playing with the wording here, Spendius.

Try reconsidering your comment using:

God (or gods) exist.

There are no gods.

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@Frank Apisa,

As an agnostic you can't say that.

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@Krumple,

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Well I can tell now that you have never read any of my posts. I never said there is absolutely no possiblity for a god existing.

I think you mis-interperted. If you half believe in something then there is negatives attached and partial non-belief.. I am saying then why would you be able to see? If you only half believe.

The fact that you can half believe, isn't enough to be able to experience in my opinion and it's only an opinion.. I've always been an open person, I've never doubted anything unless it presents itself to me and shows the doubt as reality first, which is a down fall believe me but maybe as I never doubted consequently more open, I was presented with things that to me, can't be explained.

You doubt.. You don't see. And, "our" and I mean "our" personal experiences which we can not explain will never allow you to believe, or see.. We already know that, but it doesn't mean that I can't write what I have seen, I know I am not the only one who has seen the "exact" same thing, with difference but ultimately identical.. .

It's cool that "we" can't help you.. I'm expressing for myself not to say I am right, you wrong... I just think I and others are more open to WT? Was that, Oh me too, x 1000 well as they explain away what occured to them unless they are just bullshitting , many have seen what I have.

It's all good.

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@FOUND SOUL,

FOUND SOUL wrote:

I think you mis-interperted. If you half believe in something then there is negatives attached and partial non-belief.. I am saying then why would you be able to see? If you only half believe.

Now this makes no sense at all. You are basically saying, I need to believe to believe. What good would it be to have an experience, if I was already a believer?

You don't need the experience if you already believe. I am saying I'm not convinced so I am not worthy of having an experience because I don't believe? That is absurd.

God only helps those who help themselves right? Well you don't need help if you are already helping yourself now do you? Only theists come up with silly little slogans like this because they really say nothing at all. If you are already helping yourself, you don't need the help of a deity. The people who really need help are the ones who are not able to help themselves. But this is why theists can't understand when I ask why doesn't god feed starving children if god is all about love. Massive contradiction there.

FOUND SOUL wrote:

The fact that you can half believe, isn't enough to be able to experience in my opinion and it's only an opinion.. I've always been an open person, I've never doubted anything unless it presents itself to me and shows the doubt as reality first, which is a down fall believe me but maybe as I never doubted consequently more open, I was presented with things that to me, can't be explained.

You doubt.. You don't see. And, "our" and I mean "our" personal experiences which we can not explain will never allow you to believe, or see.. We already know that, but it doesn't mean that I can't write what I have seen, I know I am not the only one who has seen the "exact" same thing, with difference but ultimately identical.. .

It's cool that "we" can't help you.. I'm expressing for myself not to say I am right, you wrong... I just think I and others are more open to WT? Was that, Oh me too, x 1000 well as they explain away what occured to them unless they are just bullshitting , many have seen what I have.

It's all good.

So the solution is, I should just blindly believe and then I will have the experience that I should have got that would have convinced me? That is absurdity at it's finest.

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@Krumple,

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Now this makes no sense at all. You are basically saying, I need to believe to believe. What good would it be to have an experience, if I was already a believer?

But are you totally a believer of all that it is meant to present? So if you die, and you believe you supposidly go to heaven and if not, hell or else he'll fight for your soul towards the end.. One belief. But if you half believe, why would you have an experience? After all you only half believe in all it represents.. He rose, therefore, he was/is a spirit but you don't believe that seeing spirits is real, so you don't fully believe.

Has nothing to do with worthy. Rather acceptance, if you were to see something you've already stated that you'd have to be ill or an excuseable reason for what that occured. You wouldn't accept it if you did see something as you haven't.

Questionables. Some people do feed the starving.. Man is here yet he chooses to allow some Countries to remain poor, only the wealthy can help, why is that? Who does that? God or Man, man has made money.

Absolutely no massive contradiction at all.

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So the solution is, I should just blindly believe and then I will have the experience that I should have got that would have convinced me? That is absurdity at it's finest.

Nup.. As you stated, you are blind to it all so it wouldn't work, you'd see nothing and like I said, if you did you wouldn't believe it anyway.

What am I trying to convince you? That people do see Aura's, ghosts/spirits? Fact they do, it's un-expained, to you and to me, to science and to believers, what do we know? Only what we see and if we can or can't explain it.

I am not (once again) trying to convince you of anything, rather offering a "maybe" as to why you haven't experienced anything.. But, like I said, how would I know why? It's just a opinion, don't twist my words.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

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it is the work of the Devil...after all, drugs are straight out of Hell themselves...

What makes you think all drugs are straight out of Hell? Do you feel this way about antibiotics as well?

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@Krumple,

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No, it is typically the one that most chrisitians no nothing about. I could have asked you about the others. I wasn't going to ask you about all of them because I had already knew the answer to my question. It is obvisous to me that you have never actually studied anything about buddhism. All the stuff you mentioned was pulled randomly off info sites or wiki.

What did you NOT understand by this??

"I could go on, But I think this is sufficient enough..."

Fine! then believe I pulled that off of Wiki or something else! If it helps you sleep better...I could break down everyone of those religions I have mentioned earlier...I have read enough about them all to know in my essence, Jesus, is the most reliable....

BTW: you do realize, that everyone's own interpretation of even their own religion, or philosophy they agree upon, with one common ground, is subject to that person's perspective? So in other words 2 Christians could view 2 things differently...So, it would not surprise me if a Buddhist was upset with my brief summarization of their theology, I never claimed to have a doctorate in it, Nor could they claim the same about Christianity! I know what it means enough to understand why I do not believe it is as reliable as a MAN OF FLESH, claiming salvation is thru me...with conjunction to what Jesus said and did...

No, I did not pull that stuff off of wiki, or anywhere else...If you can not accept that, I am sorry for you...

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@Krumple,

After reading all of yours and Found souls posts...

I agree with her...

It is you, who have set up boundaries, limitations, and restrictions as to why you do or can not see things that would "convince" you of the existence of a God...

Like Found said, With your mentality, Even if such a situation was to arrive, and happen, you ALREADY have it in your mind that/how you could conjure up to explain such a phenomena...

Do you NOT think if a God is real, who says faith is the way to find me, and he is real, He understands the game you play? and would be way to smart to fall into this pit you have laid for him? So why does that jade you from theology? When the fact is, If God was not real, or bullshit, You would be able to see anything you wished at any point, and science would explain it all away, but that is not what happens in the REAL world...

Once you open your mind, and DO NOT HAVE RESTRICTIONS, OR LIMITATIONS AS TO WHAT IS ACCEPTABLE OR NOT, NOR "THINK" OF WAYS TO EXPLAIN SUCH A CASE "BEFORE" IT EVEN OCCURS...YOUR MIND WILL BE ABLE TO BE OPEN TO SEE THE POSSIBILITIES!!

AND IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SUSPENSION OF REASONING...OR ANYTHING ELSE YOU SAID! IT HAS TO DO WITH THE FACT OF TOTAL SUBMISSION< TO THE POSSIBLE< NOT LOOKING FOR WAYS TO DESCRIBE POSSIBLE, AS DELUSIONAL!!!...THAT IS A TOTAL CHALLENGE OF FAITH< AND EXISTENCE OF A GOD< WHICH CORRELATES TO WHAT JESUS SAID< IF THAT IS THE CASE< THEN LIKE I SAID< YOU NEVER HAVE ACTUALLY EVER LOOKED TO BEGIN WITH< AND HAVE NOT TO THIS DAY!! IF YOU "THINK" YOU HAVE< THEN YOU ARE WRONG>>>WHAT YOU DESCRIBE AS DOING, DOES NOT DESCRIBE LOOKING FOR A GOD!

AS SOON AS YOU DROP THAT MENTALITY< AND ACTUALLY OPEN YOUR MIND TO THE FACT OF LIMITLESS THINGS< THEY CAN BE SEEN![/size]

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@reasoning logic,

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What makes you think all drugs are straight out of Hell? Do you feel this way about antibiotics as well?

No, I mean drugs that are used as in drugs that are ingested with the sole intentions of altering a physique of a person, So almost every hallucinogenic, and almost every recreational drug, or designer drug....

Antibiotics, to me, are classed as drugs, but the 2 should be listed as different...those drugs (and ones like it) are beneficial, and if not taking them to get high, (Use any drug here) then they are beneficial....Once you conjure up to "use" a drug for Mal reasoning, and personal benefit, is when you alter a physique...Some drugs are not powerful enough to reveal things that would alter you...Some of them are...(read above) as to ones that do this...

They are straight out of Hell, because they make most people believe that a synthetic high, or euphoria they feel is reality...Which is bullshit...When the real fact is the drug they take of choice is very damaging, and if spiritual things happen to reveal truth from the drug(s) it would be wrath, or of a deceased one, saying stop doing this immediately...So much so, it would alter your physique but for a better purpose, which would destroy the fact of using it to begin with, because people take drugs to feel good, not alter a physique, and see true reality....

So, the ONLY way you could potentially use a drug, or demonology or any of that stuff...(I will list them all below) Is when something happens that causes you to alter your life, based upon an altering of your own physique...Since people do not use drugs to be scared out of their minds for hrs, at seeing hidden truths, but use them to "get high" then the effects they see are bullshit things, that make them "feel good" I call that the work of the Devil...

(as far as my description above: I would not use Designer drugs, hallucinogenics, Demonology, Alchemy, Wicka, Seances, Tarot Cards, or even Ouija boards...(not even cheap ones!) All those things open portals...Portals where even if the intentions are good, the result could be very bad...To the point where a deranged spirit could latch on to you or others...Or evil spirits (such as a demon) could latch on as well...VERY FEW would ever contact a loved spirit in Heaven, First because they are not consumed with the wicked world anymore, and 2, if they were to come thru, they would say the right thing and truth, being pure, and clean, and that would be something to the effect of...What your doing is a bad thing to do, It alters a physique, and throws off the natural balance of the way things are meant to be!

If a deceased love one does not contact you right now, then it is inconceivable to think that forcing THEM to come to you, to supply you answers is an acceptable way of revelations of truth, and is a natural balance of the physique of things....including yourself, mostly!

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