Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@igm,

...I was not judging whether it helps or not, just stating where such claim can fit...and yes I like to play all hypothetical scenarios in my mind the best I can and know... Wink

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It's the moral implications of belief that gets me. It makes no sense for a person's belief or lack of belief to be associated with virtue and reward or evil and punishment.
Am I good or bad if I do not believe that E=mc2?
And what if I just plain do not understand it?

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@JLNobody,

JLNobody wrote:

It's the moral implications of belief that gets me. It makes no sense for a person's belief or lack of belief to be associated with virtue and reward or evil and punishment.
Am I good or bad if I do not believe that E=mc2?
And what if I just plain do not understand it?

...it depends towards whom (what audience) morally speaking such side function (being bad or good) is/can be established...your belief system may endanger other peoples belief systems...it is actually quite natural since belief systems tend to protect themselves from "alien" contamination or adapt very slowly if change proves successful...

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:
No offense meant here rosborne, but you cannot truly KNOW there is no God anymore than I can truly KNOW there is.

Of course. That goes without saying.

But I have tasted the world in both flavors (and many others) and anyone can do the same if they choose to try. I was only trying to paint the canvas for him so that he could look into it for a bit. But even that is just the starting point.

And Christians can make the same claim. I believe what I believe and you believe what you believe. I don't have a problem with what you believe so I don't see why you'd have a problem with what I believe.I'm honestly not trying to start anything Ros. I like you, always have and I've always known our beliefs conflict.

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@Arella Mae,

...I like your signature Mae !

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

And Christians can make the same claim.

Some can. But if you ask, I think you'll find that most haven't. The christian basis of belief is not one which encourages skepticsm or doubt.

I'm not taking offence to anything you're saying Arella. No need to worry Smile

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@Arella Mae,

I would just like to say that Arella is a beautiful name!

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Thank you! That was a hard lesson I learned a long time back.

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@rosborne979,

rosborne979 wrote:

Arella Mae wrote:

And Christians can make the same claim.

Some can. But if you ask, I think you'll find that most haven't. The christian basis of belief is not one which encourages skepticsm or doubt.

I'm not taking offence to anything you're saying Arella. No need to worry

In some ways that is true Ros and in some it is not. God does say in scripture to test him. We are to be very careful about what we hear and see because it can take our focus from God

I am glad you don't take offense. It's nice to be able to discuss without anyone getting upset.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I would just like to say that Arella is a beautiful name!

I used to have the ID of Momma Angel but everyone kept shortening it to MOAN and some just had a hard time calling me momma. A good friend of mine on A2K, Snood came up with Arella Mae. I kind of like it myself!

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@rosborne979,

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Some can. But if you ask, I think you'll find that most haven't. The christian basis of belief is not one which encourages skepticsm or doubt.

maybe what you mean is Christians for the most part don't show this...but the Christian Bible says to "test" everything....which to me is encouraging skepticism or doubts....the same way we can say Atheism does not encourage the possability of the existance or power behind "faith"

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@Arella Mae,

not to pick on you in ANY way, matter of fact I see NOW i "should" have approached this topic thread in the same manner you have !!! but it says to be correct test everything, one another etc...EXCEPT God Himself....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

If I helped at all I am glad. I kind of learned the hard way about it.

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

rosborne979 wrote:

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:
yes I have stated "many" times I may be wrong

In order for you to get the answers you say you're looking for you have to stop trying to make sense of our answers within your framework of thought. You need to stop thinking that you may be wrong. You are wrong. You're completely wrong. There is no god, no heaven, no hell, no life after death. The stories of Jesus are a mythology that you have been indoctrinated into. The bible is just a story. You need to feel it in order to understand it.

No offense meant here rosborne, but you cannot truly KNOW there is no God anymore than I can truly KNOW there is.

This is meaningless. You cannot KNOW that there isn't a giant 6 headed monster standing outside your front door waiting to hit you over the head with a giant pretzel but you'd look pretty stupid if you planned your day around the possibility. I don't understand why God isn't subject to normal comonsense logic like other imaginary beings.

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@Arella Mae,

yes, and I see this and am going down this path myself....it is very hard to balance patients with beliefs to "other sides" when BOTH are throuhly convinced their "right"

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@MonaLeeza,

It may be meaningless to you but it is not meaningless to me.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

yes, and I see this and am going down this path myself....it is very hard to balance patients with beliefs to "other sides" when BOTH are throuhly convinced their "right"

Yes that does make it difficult. I really try to back off from any discussion that gets down to "I'm right" and "you are wrong." It's not very fruitful.

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@MonaLeeza,

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This is meaningless. You cannot KNOW that there isn't a giant 6 headed monster standing outside your front door waiting to hit you over the head with a giant pretzel but you'd look pretty stupid if you planned your day around the possibility. I don't understand why God isn't subject to normal comonsense logic like other imaginary beings.

if God chose to reveal himself as a "giant 6 headed monster with pretzels to hit people" then the ones who had faith in this monster would wait and it would either "happen" someday or not, ("Christ's return) it is your simple assertations that make it "stupid" but flip it around and if this monster did come one day...the ones who had faith and waited would be prepaired for him (believers) and the ones who deny "faith" would be wrong...same way believers show faith in what you call "imaginary" (which in any event the life of Jesus is MORE than a giant 6 headed monster to most including ones who deny him) and doubters find ways to try to "provide" proof to destroy "faith" with to me if your reason based....then there is NO way to destroy faith, or in your post the faith to some that a giant 6 headed moster with pretzels would "come" one day...no one knows...in the end of God, no God...

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@Arella Mae,

Arella Mae wrote:

God does say in scripture to test him.

What part of scripture are you referring to with this. I must not be familiar with it.

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@rosborne979,

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Malachi 3:10 - Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, that there may be food in my house. Test me in this,” says the Lord Almighty, “and see if I will not throw open the floodgates of heaven and pour out so much blessing that you will not have room enough for it.

Hmmm, next time I open my mouth about a scripture I need to read it again to make sure it is in the context of what we are talking about. This is a specific instance where God said he could be tested so looks like I spoke a bit out of turn on that.

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