Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

@Arella Mae,

...its not A or B in particular that bother me but the emerging result of millions of people around the world choosing the Walt Disney path...and what that ultimately says about our species maturity...
...it makes me think that if we have to turn into God (most of us) every time we have a big problem to solve like the environmental one we are really over and done on the long run...yeah its really sad for me !...

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@Fil Albuquerque,

...actually its not even about believing or not believing a God in itself that bothers me but the kind of childish God we chose to believe in...I have no quarrel with Einstein´s god at all...
(don´t you worry that I am actually very polite towards peoples beliefs when I think they don´t have either the age or the capacity to debate the issue...I don´t like to robe peoples innocence, but this is the philosophy forum...)

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...actually its not even about believing or not believing a God in itself that bothers me but the kind of childish God we chose to believe in...I have no quarrel with Einstein´s god at all...
(don´t you worry that I am actually very polite towards peoples beliefs when I think they don´t have either the age or the capacity to debate the issue...I don´t like to robe peoples innocence, but this is the philosophy forum...)

...just to clarify I am not at all implying that you are such a kind of a person who cannot maturely debate this issue...actually it is precisely because I believe the opposite that I am debating it with you right now !

Best Regards>FILIPE DE ALBUQUERQUE

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XSPX said that (and I paraphrase according to my understanding of his meaning) without God he would be "free" do whatever he wanted without accountability.
Grownups hold themselves accountable.
Only very young children and psychopaths need the imposition of external constraints on their behavior.

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@JLNobody,

...why don´t you recommend him to read Nietzsche ? Laughing

(that would solve the issue)

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@wayne,

problem is...I don't know what non existant Atheism is....yes I agree in learning an individual and will do so as best as I can....I agree, but my DUTY as a believer is to instill faith from God...ones who follow will follow ones who do not wan't....correct and the "in fact" correct doctrine will be debated for "ever"... correct again and the ones who over all show they embrace humanity show they follow God regardless or doctrines....and again those who show there faith by actions show true wisdom in God...( I am trying my best personally) but none are perfect....so what then would be some core beliefs of an atheist rather than me labeling them as certain social structures...but am interested in their life views....

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@JLNobody,

the point was I would be worse off if not christian...and I defeated that claim...if not a doctrine and or God or afterlife...simple fact is... I would be "free" to do as I please and or have no regrets because none would judge me accordingly....if you feel inclined to view otherwise then it is simply your assertations....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

explain to me how the view point from an Atheistic view point, (although rather simplistic and uncaring is not true) that if NO god exist, and or no afterlife to then be held accountable for life's actions shows one would be "free" to do as he or she pleases and not have "ANY" reason to change or for submission to anything?

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

the point was I would be worse off if not christian...and I defeated that claim...if not a doctrine and or God or afterlife...simple fact is... I would be "free" to do as I please and or have no regrets because none would judge me accordingly....if you feel inclined to view otherwise then it is simply your assertations....

But Atheists are free to do as they please without fear of reprisal or judgement, at least from gods. And yet they behave as you do (and in many cases better than many christians). Why do you think that is? Are you so certain that you would devolve into brutal destructive behavior if it weren't for your belief in god to keep you in line?

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@rosborne979,

Playing devil´s advocate just for the fun of it I would instance a better approach to his probable view of the problem:

...maybe he should have meant that without God there would not exist a NECESSITY of order in the world...that we would not feel the need to naturally organize life the way we do...that the rules of nature (or lack) would be such without God that the world would be naturally disorganized and "unorganizable"...
...how would you reply to that ?

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Fil Albuquerque wrote:

Playing devil´s advocate just for the fun of it I would instance a better approach to his probable view of the problem:

...maybe he should have meant that without God there would not exist a NECESSITY of order in the world...that we would not feel the need to naturally organize life the way we do...that the rules of nature (or lack) would be such without God that the world would be naturally disorganized...
...how would you reply to that ?

If I answer before Spademaster does then he may lose out on the opportunity to think about that question for himself. Remind me later and I'll be happy to answer.

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@Fil Albuquerque,

Yes I would strongly recommend Nietzsche (especially The Antichrist), but he would either refuse to read it or he would have a nervous breakdown half way through it.

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@rosborne979,

yes i do,,,just as to me there is rarely any order in the world...without God....evidence shows disorder with God...but it is "easy" to see by their God there actions with Christianity...the "true" believers it is easy to see Christ in them making them a positive force...problem is so Little true Christians in my book...as far as them being saved they in fact may be but truly gong out of their way to embrace Christ's way or actions easy to see many do not....but again I don't ness. believe that Atheists are no subject to accountability from God...thing is they seem to not realize that if God does exist...all he is giving is time (right now)

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@JLNobody,

So it seems that according to XXXSPXXX the moral atheist is superior to the moral Christian (like himself) because the former is "good" for its own sake and the latter is "not bad" out of fear of punishment.

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@JLNobody,

no...difference is...they are BOTH bad...in different ways....the Atheist bad because they "say" they understand but probably (in my views) don't and Christian say they acknowledge but never take the time to understand Christ himself...or few do.....where as if you take the time to understand Christ...you can they say you do or understand more....that is where the true believers and Atheist differ....

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

buttom line is atheist "feel" they are free without punishment because it is their core fundamental....if God was to be true how much more wrong could they be???

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

Your assumptions make you blind. You are not trying to understand atheists, you're trying to tell them they're wrong. You're being disingenuous, even to your self.

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@XXSpadeMasterXX,

it is better to except out of faith and be saved then in God....then to "claim" to be rightoues...or have wisdom, or reasoning, or comprehension....but deny to the end the need for a God and his involvement in our lives.....that is the difference in a 'true" christian and an "Atheist".....

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@JLNobody,

lol, that was fun to read J ! Laughing

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@rosborne979,

please explain how I should word it to understand Atheists??? for I truly want to know....I am truly trying to debate points not indeed prove they are wrong....(even if it seems that way)

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