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Question to those who do or do not doubt Christianity

 
 
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 01:54 pm
@Eva,
I would not be worse off!, because I would be "free" to do whatever I wan't whenever I want and if no god or afterlife None would hold me accountable for such foolishness....
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 01:56 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

no it isn't amazing because None is perfect ALL the time....that is a basic concept of Christianity...the problem is with Atheism ( in my views) is they deny the need for change, or see that they in fact are not naked. blind, misrable, poor, reached etc...which to me is worse than doing an act and trying to be forgiven....because at the end of the day were both guilty of such acts....one is being responsible for foolishness one is not....

If you want to be a true Christian then stick to the advice given... just reply with I don't know I leave it all to God/Jesus... Wink (for all questions asked).
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:00 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I am tired of going in circles and trying to defend against a gang attack...here is a post with meaning....what are some core codes of cunduct from an Atheist view so that I know what to feel and ask when I refer to each Atheist in posts? I have generallized and Atheists have taken offense to that....one of the problems I am having is I don't understand each persons feeling on certain subjects....therefor, it is almost impossible for me to know how "everyone" of you feel and respond in a genaralzation "without" offending certain Atheists....so I ask...if your being insulted by my posts....please explain some of your core beliefs so I can try my best to post but not offend.....
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:07 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

I am tired of going in circles and trying to defend against a gang attack...here is a post with meaning....what are some core codes of cunduct from an Atheist view so that I know what to feel and ask when I refer to each Atheist in posts? I have generallized and Atheists have taken offense to that....one of the problems I am having is I don't understand each persons feeling on certain subjects....therefor, it is almost impossible for me to know how "everyone" of you feel and respond in a genaralzation "without" offending certain Atheists....so I ask...if your being insulted by my posts....please explain some of your core beliefs so I can try my best to post but not offend.....

Same advice from me...if you want to be a true Christian then stick to the advice given... just reply with I don't know I leave it all to God/Jesus... Wink (for all questions asked) and when your tempted to ask an non-christian a question about atheism...I wouldn't if I was you. Just some friendly advice.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:10 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
The point is you are coming across in a hateful manner. Perhaps you don't realize it. I wasn't attacking you.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:14 pm
@igm,
(this is not to be offensive) but it did not seem like you were listing any core beliefs....just trying to slam me in another way....please explain how I should view on certain matters....such as your personal view of what hypocracy is etc....or what a personal core belief is to forgivness etc...not what "I" Should in fact do....I remember one saying to me, that doing wrong and saying another did wrong doesn't negate the intitial fact of happening....my question is WHAT are "your" personal beliefs or core codes of conduct...not what I can in fact do to better my Core conducts....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:17 pm
@Arella Mae,
ty and I take that in...but truth is I respect everyone for his or her beliefs....its sad that it comes across this way because I am far from hateful....and yes, see I took it as you were insulting me or being brash but you in fact stated you were not trying to attack....(it is hard to read a person on posts)
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:17 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

(this is not to be offensive) but it did not seem like you were listing any core beliefs....just trying to slam me in another way....please explain how I should view on certain matters....such as your personal view of what hypocracy is etc....or what a personal core belief is to forgivness etc...not what "I" Should in fact do....I remember one saying to me, that doing wrong and saying another did wrong doesn't negate the intitial fact of happening....my question is WHAT are "your" personal beliefs or core codes of conduct...not what I can in fact do to better my Core conducts....

Christianity is about faith...reason isn't required and leads to doubt. Faith and doubt don't mix. They lead to a crisis of faith. That's my view.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:19 pm
@igm,
ty...
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:21 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

ty and I take that in...but truth is I respect everyone for his or her beliefs....its sad that it comes across this way because I am far from hateful....and yes, see I took it as you were insulting me or being brash but you in fact stated you were not trying to attack....(it is hard to read a person on posts)


When I first came to A2K I was much like you. Others were pretty ruffled by my attitude and I finally came to understand why and they had every right to be. I am very firm in my beliefs but that does not mean I am superior to anyone because I believe and they don't.

There are some wonderful people on A2K-believers and non-believers a like. Don't assume because someone is not a believer that makes them any less of a human being.

I truly meant no offense to you.
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:29 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
So I'm not a Christian but if I was that's (see my last post) how I would be one.
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:33 pm
@Arella Mae,
I truly VALUE everything in your post, and yes I feel the same "way" about everything you have posted...I am "trying" to by my posts to get "value" from an Atheistic view point, and that is my reason for being here...I am very firm on my opinions but yet open minded as to hearing, perhaps that is why I seem hateful....I know I am adomitte and I know a lot of "others" are as well... ty for being curtious....have a great day and thank you for the constructive criticism....
XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:40 pm
@igm,
now please explain because I am willing to listen as to "reason isn't required and leads to doubt" in your opinion??
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 02:51 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
XXSpadeMasterXX wrote:

now please explain because I am willing to listen as to "reason isn't required and leads to doubt" in your opinion??

It’s the Christian 'Faith' ... simple as that ... it requires one thing...unquestioning faith in God/Jesus. Reason as far as I can tell doesn't work because if it's questioned then doubts arise about e.g. the age of the Earth... fossil records etc..etc.. If one just has faith then the experience that having ‘complete faith’ brings is a reward in itself...it seems to me (looking in from a non-Christian perspective).

We’re all different some need reason some need faith. Why fight the reason side when it’s not required in faith based religion? It’s almost like envying those who are reason based. No need for it as far as I can see if you’re a Christian.
Fil Albuquerque
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 03:16 pm
@igm,
...not coping with the natural rules of cosmos really annoys me in these kind of people...having to buy heaven through faith and all that just to keep a happy life...they are bottom line selfish out of scale not to mention pretentious...
igm
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 03:18 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...not coping with the natural rules of cosmos really annoys me in these kind of people...having to buy heaven through faith and all that just to keep a happy life...they are bottom line selfish out of scale not to mention pretentious...

Faith shouldn't take on reason.... Smile
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XXSpadeMasterXX
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 05:11 pm
@igm,
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It’s the Christian 'Faith' ... simple as that ... it requires one thing...unquestioning faith in God/Jesus. Reason as far as I can tell doesn't work because if it's questioned then doubts arise about e.g. the age of the Earth... fossil records etc..etc.. If one just has faith then the experience that having ‘complete faith’ brings is a reward in itself...it seems to me (looking in from a non-Christian perspective).

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We’re all different some need reason some need faith. Why fight the reason side when it’s not required in faith based religion? It’s almost like envying those who are reason based. No need for it as far as I can see if you’re a Christian.

now from My standpoint (a believer) ...here are my rebuttles....to be a believer you "should" not question God/Jesus....everything else you have stated has merit, problem is "None of us" can be perfected and keep these requirements as you have stated all the time...(having utter faith in God about everything and always following without questioning him or what he says)....so therefor, if you do question the Bible or God, in your actions such as sin or doubt....then, now you "USE" reason and faith together to "get back " on the right path...in that sense it is essential and why to me "believers" have doubt and reason to begin with....If humans are in fact NOT complete but still show faith and submission, then they truly are faithful...In our world the way it exists...these attributes can be focused and channeled into possitive outcomes although the origional intent was not easily said forth or shown....such as using doubt because I freely chose to be "against God" at times...I now, can then use attributes such as reason and or doubt to prove to myself as well as see or hear from God, that I and other "believers" should not have crossed over and did wrong in the first place....and in turn strengthens the believers and filters out the one's who claim they do but do not ultimately follow God....thus simply put giving a "good" example of how faith is derived and instilled in people....

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We’re all different some need reason some need faith. Why fight the reason side when it’s not required in faith based religion? It’s almost like envying those who are reason based. No need for it as far as I can see if you’re a Christian.

it's not really fighting in my book, (although I will say at times it happens) if I did not try to help the reason side, what exactly am I doing with what I know and understand about God, if I am indeed correct? it's almost a higher understanding your know to go and make fishers of men, or other strong ones in faith by words, deeds, actions, preaching etc....that is why most believers probably feel "inclined" to try to (as you worded it (fight against reason) when it is not required in faith....they have faith, and simply put the way to instill faith is to use doubt and or some forms of reason....and as far as envying, I disagree simply put. envy is a very strong word and to me is at least the wrong context of the word here...maybe jealous better...but still, i don't think believers "feel" jealous to try to fight reason based people....I think a lot find it VERY frusterating and or almost want to give up....so therefore, I think you can see it is "easy" to try not to go against reason...but again perservearing and going on is "essential" in ones path to understand and accept their own faith, and disproove their own doubts as well as showing others to use there reason to "except" faith....

Simply put, if we "had" the faith Jesus did, then everything you said is correct...problem is many people dispute the "correct" way basically of trying to show or accept "faith" some use doubt and reasoning to accept faith....another problem is people being not God can not be 100% perfect all the time, and when even followers fall or stumble at times the reason based people jump on them....but at the same token reason based people do not wish ( in my views) to take the time to see they do the same thing and are no different....only they try to use reason, and or doubt to disproove faith...which to me is a self defeating cause....if one truly clams to have faith like you stated there is NO WAY of destroying their faith....no "matter what"...and likewise, it is very difficult for believers to use faith alone to get a reason based person to believe...."because we can't do it correctly all the time" like Jesus....
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JLNobody
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 05:27 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
I hope you do not feel unwelcome in this--YOUR--thread. Even I, with my preaching of the essentially "absurd" thesis of zen buddhism, have managed to maintain--with the help of many A2Kers--a sense of community membership.
By the way, it is my sense that Jesus was nothing short of a mystic: his sense of oneness with God is no different from a zennist's realization of unity with Ultimate Reality.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 06:38 pm
@Fil Albuquerque,
Fil Albuquerque wrote:

...not coping with the natural rules of cosmos really annoys me in these kind of people...having to buy heaven through faith and all that just to keep a happy life...they are bottom line selfish out of scale not to mention pretentious...


These kind of people? Why should it bother you that I believe in heaven? It doesn't bother me that you don't.
wayne
 
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Reply Sat 3 Sep, 2011 08:57 pm
@XXSpadeMasterXX,
Perhaps, rather than trying to construct a profile of the non-existent Atheism, your time would be better spent in learning to see people as the individual beings they are.
Some individual beings choose to believe in a God, some choose not to.
Of those individuals choosing to believe in a God, some choose to believe in a religious doctrine, there are many to choose from.
Of those individuals choosing not to believe in a God, some choose to act in a responsible manner to their fellow beings, some do not.
Of those choosing to believe in a God, some choose to act in a responsible manner to their fellow beings, some do not.

All human social structures are a collection of individual beings.
The label, Atheist, does not define a social structure.
The label, Atheist is simply a term used to denote a being who chooses not to believe in a God.
 

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