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West Memphis 3 Are Going To Be Freed!

 
 
firefly
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 04:34 pm
@JTT,
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And the state also appears to have positioned themselves to deflect any blame/any responsibility away from their, if you've read this accurately, heinous actions.

Agreed
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 07:23 pm
@firefly,
With a top expert liar detectors are 90 percents plus reliable at least.

Reasonable doubt standards only apply before a conviction not afterward and far more proof is needed to overturn a verdict then there might now be reasonable doubts of guilt.

Courts give great weight to juries in that regard and do not lightly reopen cases decades later.

Hell we would be reopening a large percents of all cases if we get into the game of lightly second guessing juries.

I know there is a legal term for this concept but right now I can not come up with it.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 07:26 pm
@firefly,
Some RATS won't ever change their colors I guess. Wink
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BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 07:28 pm
@firefly,
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I would also think that a lot of the anger they might have been suppressing all these years, about their treatment by the legal system


LOL that is assuming they are innocent if they are not they are going to be happy campers indeed in the idea of pulling this con off on society and the legal system.

The DNA did no prove they was innocent all it did was not prove they was guilty.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 08:42 pm
I have been wondering most of the day what it must feel like for the WM3 to be free after all these years. This gave me a good indication of it. I couldn't imagine having to learn to be free.

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'West Memphis Three' Ex-Death Row Inmate Enjoys First Night of Freedom

MEMPHIS, Tennessee – Most prison inmates count down the weeks or months to freedom.

For Damien Echols, who spent half his life on death row, it came almost out of the blue. His nearly two-decades-long fight for exoneration in the gruesome murders of three Cub Scouts produced an unexpected deal. He and two others, known collectively as the West Memphis Three, pleaded guilty Friday to lesser charges in exchange for sentences of the 18 years they'd already served.

And just like that, Echols, Jason Baldwin and Jessie Misskelley were freed, if not cleared. That fight continues, but right now, Echols, who once came within three weeks of execution, is relearning to live outside prison.

"I was up all morning and most of the night trying to figure out how to use those iPhone things," he said Saturday in the lobby of a posh Memphis hotel, just across the river from West Memphis, Arkansas, where the Scouts' bodies were found in 1993. "One minute I'm looking at something about Judge (David) Laser. The next minute, it's on, like, some hardcore porn site."

Echols became the star the West Memphis Three as the only one sentenced to death. He spent Friday night on the hotel rooftop with supporters, including Pearl Jam frontman Eddie Vedder and the Dixie Chicks' Natalie Maines, who both whipped out guitars. Liquor flowed. Hugs were plentiful, especially for a man who hasn't had much physical contact for 18 years.

On Saturday morning, Echols, 36, stopped to hug Capi Peck, a Little Rock restaurateur and friend, in the lobby. He had a bottle of Pellegrino water in one hand and a pair of high heels in the other.

"Lorri's," he explained, gesturing to his wife of 11 years, Lorri Davis, who trailed behind him.

Instead of prison whites, he wore a dark suit that made his skin look almost translucent after years without sunlight.

Before breakfast, he sniffed a glass of cranberry juice as a sommelier would a rare Bordeaux.

"It's like sensory overload," said Steven Drizin, legal director of the Center on Wrongful Convictions at Northwestern University's law school and a member of Echols' legal team. "When someone has been so deprived of this kind of experience ... it's almost experiencing it again for the first time."

Echols' freedom doesn't sit well with everyone. Some relatives of the three boys who died, Michael Moore, Steve Branch and Christopher Byers, remain convinced the West Memphis Three are guilty.

The 8-year-old boys were found naked and hogtied in May 1993. Two drowned in a drainage ditch. One bled to death.

Police had no leads until they received a tip that Echols had been seen covered in mud on the night of the boys' disappearance. The big break came when Misskelley unexpectedly confessed and implicated the other two, describing sodomy and other violence.

Misskelley, then 17, later recanted, and defense lawyers said he got several parts of the story wrong. An autopsy found there was no definite evidence of sexual assault. Misskelley also said the older boys abducted the Scouts in the morning, when they had actually been in school all day.

But the three were convicted. Misskelley was sentenced to life in prison plus 40 years, Baldwin got life without parole and Echols was slated to die.

Then a 1996 HBO documentary titled "Paradise Lost: The Child Murders at Robin Hood Hills" drew the attention of celebrities including Vedder and Maines. Joined by other stars, they helped fund a legal team that sought a new trial.

Last fall, the Arkansas Supreme Court ordered a new hearing for the three, asking a judge to consider allegations of juror misconduct and whether new DNA science could aid the men or uphold the convictions. Then, suddenly, there was the plea deal.

It involved an unusual legal maneuver that allowed the men to maintain their claims of innocence. But with murder convictions still on their records, supporters say they've got to find whoever's responsible for the boys' deaths to clear the men's names.

That will likely involve more expensive DNA tests and private investigators.

"They're welcome to test and spend millions of dollars," prosecutor Scott Ellington said. "But I doubt that their efforts will come to fruition."

Peck, who co-founded a group that raised money and awareness for the West Memphis Three, disagreed and added that supporters have donated enough money to foot the bills.

"This is not over until the real killer or killers are incarcerated," she said


http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/08/20/west-memphis-three-ex-death-row-inmate-enjoys-first-night-freedom/?test=latestnews
JTT
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 09:15 pm
@Arella Mae,
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"They're welcome to test and spend millions of dollars," prosecutor Scott Ellington said. "But I doubt that their efforts will come to fruition."


That's your job, Dickhead!
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 02:06 am
@Arella Mae,
Too bad AM that the three murders eight years old cub scouts can not get their lives back also and learn how to used iphones.
Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 08:20 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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"They're welcome to test and spend millions of dollars," prosecutor Scott Ellington said. "But I doubt that their efforts will come to fruition."


That's your job, Dickhead!


The DA nor the judge or police department want the case reopened so the true killer/or killers can be found. I pray that the WM3's team does continue to investigate and I pray they get to the real truth as to who committed this horrible crime. IF that ever happens there will be many with the perverbial egg on their faces.

It's going to be hardest on Mr. Hobbs I think. He still thinks they are guilty. No one has closure on this case.
firefly
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 10:18 am
@BillRM,
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Too bad AM that the three murders eight years old cub scouts can not get their lives back also and learn how to used iphones.

Are you blaming Arella Mae for that fact, you nitwit?

The tragedy of those murders has always been what this case was about. But those lives could not be brought back no matter who was held accountable for the crime. If you had any genuine emotion regarding the deaths of those children, I doubt you would describe such a loss with a sarcastic tinged, "Too bad" aimed as a jab at Arella Mae. Your alleged professed concern for the victims reeks of insincerity.

The problem with this case has always been a lack of direct evidence, or even compelling circumstantial evidence, to link any specific individuals to the murders. Even after 18 years, sufficient evidence has never been uncovered, and these murders will likely never be solved in a way that leaves no doubt, or even little doubt, about who committed them.

The fact that no DNA from any of the WM3 was found at the crime scene was only the latest discovery to cast doubt on the validity of the guilty verdicts, but it would likely have entitled the WM3 to new trials--trials the state of Arkansas did not want to have to go through. The Alford plea was the compromise deal--the state got its conviction, the three men got their freedom and the right to assert their innocence, despite their guilty plea. In many ways, the Alford plea is as unsatisfying as everything else about this case, but it brought an end to a legal case that, in the minds of many people, was too fraught with very significant unanswered questions, and unresolved ethical issues, to ever justify the death penalty or life imprisonment for anyone.

Those who believe that the WM3 are indeed guilty of those murders will obviously not be happy at this turn of events and the fact of their release, but they will have to settle for the reality that these men have already paid the price of 18 years in prison--half of their lives--and the state has now accepted that as sufficient. Those who believe they are not guilty, or that they were unjustly convicted on the basis of insufficient evidence, have reason to feel relieved and elated that a terrible miscarriage of justice was no longer holding three men in prison, and one of them facing the death penalty.

You don't need to remind anyone of the victims, BillRM, because no one has forgotten them. That they are dead is certain, exactly who murdered them never has been.





Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 10:47 am
@firefly,
You are probably wasting your breath. He wouldn't even know about those three little boys if it weren't for this thread. I'm sure he doesn't even know how they died, who died first, etc. Those details are etched in my heart because of the horror of it. Justice for those three little boys is NOT imprisoning the wrong people. Justice is finding out who really did kill them and prosecute them.

He can take whatever smart-mouthed comments he has said about me and stuff them. I want nothing to do with him ever again.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 10:51 am
@Arella Mae,
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I pray that the WM3's team does continue to investigate and I pray they get to the real truth as to who committed this horrible crime. IF that ever happens there will be many with the perverbial egg on their faces.


AM maybe they could get a hold of the shaving mirror that OJ used to find the killer of his ex-wife and the her friend.

The odds are still pretty good that three murderers of three children are walking out of prison.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 10:59 am
@firefly,
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You don't need to remind anyone of the victims, BillRM, because no one has forgotten them. That they are dead is certain, exactly who murdered them never has been.


Anyone who care about those children would have very mixed feelings about those three men getting released as two juries found them guilty beyond a reasonable doubt of those killings.

Second there is no hard evidence that either juries was in error in so finding them guilty.

So even in AM mind there should to be enough of a remaining question not be that overjoy about the gentleman getting a chance to play with an iphone.



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BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:05 am
@Arella Mae,
Let see how many murders are there in any given day in the US?

Now please give me the logic that I should feel bad that I did not know about those children until your happy postings about the three men who had been convicted by two juries and not clear by any hard evidence are going free.

The odds are not all that small that the two juries got it right in the first place.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:06 am
@firefly,
Don't you find it rather strange? How many cases on the rape thread did we discuss where someone was convicted and bill swore up and down they were railroaded., etc., etc., etc. Why would he consider those juries' decisions any differently than this one? Bloody hypocrite he is.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:16 am
@Arella Mae,
Will there was a numbers of cases posted on the rape thread where men who was convicted of rape walk free after very hard evidence of one kind or the other came along.

Off hand I do not remember any man walking free from a rape conviction with no hard evidence of any kind proving he was not guilty.

Surely not after confessing and then passing a lied detector test concerning the confession!
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JTT
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:17 am
@Arella Mae,
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I want nothing to do with him ever again.


It does a body good to stay acquainted with the levels of stupidity and ignorance BillRM regularly shows, Arella. It's too easy to forget that there are people this dumb on the planet.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:30 am
@JTT,
JTT you wrote a whole post without once referring to the evil US and it evil leaders!!!!!!!!

You been taking your medication?

In any case congratulations.

JTT
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:31 am
@BillRM,
See what I mean, Arella.
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Arella Mae
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 11:40 am
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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I want nothing to do with him ever again.


It does a body good to stay acquainted with the levels of stupidity and ignorance BillRM regularly shows, Arella. It's too easy to forget that there are people this dumb on the planet.


I tried and I tried and I tried with him. He does nothing but mock, berate, insult, and otherwise demean me. I don't stand in front of a bus that is bearing down on me in the roadway.
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ossobuco
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 01:44 pm
@izzythepush,
I will await the appeal ruling as well, but I expect it to come out in Knox and Sollicito's favor. I started a thread about that situation, and rarely look at it anymore since it is primarily inhabited by a poster I have on ignore.
 

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