Same old rethoric under a new topic. You use the very same words when it concerns rape laws.
These laws are passed and maintained because the majority of the people of the states want them passed and maintained.
The Horror of Hate Crimes", but to read posts by either Hawkeye or BillRM you would have no feeling of horror about such crimes,
or the killing of the Latino man on Long Island, are no different than the acts of organized groups like the KKK,
Does the horror of these inhumane acts resonate with either Hawkeye or BillRM?
To focus on the actual bias crimes themselves, and the impact of such crimes on targeted groups, requires more of a sense of humanity, and empathetic connection to others, than these two are emotionally capable of experiencing. And that's why they really can't address the topic
It's rather pathetic watching poor old BillRM trying to go it alone without his Master--he becomes reduced to disorganized rambling and mindless repetition without Hawkeye to guide him.
I decided to sum this up and then drop this thread.
As citizens we need to stop people like Firefly from getting bad and harmful laws passed by pointing to an awful event or two and claiming if we just give up a little bit more of our rights and our privacy everything will be better.
Anti-Muslim
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CAIR Report 2005
The Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) is an American Muslim civil rights organization. Their annual report on anti-Muslim incidents is the most thorough of its kind. According to the most recent report released in May 2005 entitled "Unequal Protection: The Status of Muslim Civil Rights in the United States," anti-Muslim hate crimes rose by more than 50 percent between 2003 to 2004; while 93 anti-Muslim hate crimes were recorded in 2003, 141 hate crimes were recorded in 2004. The study cites 1,552 cases of anti-Muslim occurrences including violence, discrimination, and harassment. Approximately 225 of these cases involved religious discrimination, such as a city's opposition to a mosque. 196 cases involved discrimination in the workplace and 190 cases cited verbal harassment. The report hypothesizes that the increase in anti-Muslim sentiment can be attributed to websites and radio programs whose content propagates feelings of hate.
State Demographics
According to the CAIR report, nearly 80% of anti-Muslim crime was committed in only 10 states. 20% of crimes were committed in California, followed by New York (10%), Arizona (9%), Virginia (7%), Texas (7%), Florida (7%), Ohio (5%), Maryland (5%), New Jersey (5%), and Illinois (3%). Incidents occurring in California in 2004 included the assault of a Portuguese man in San Diego who was mistaken for being of Middle Eastern descent. A group of white men yelled racial slurs at him and told him to "go back to Iraq." On December 30, 2004, also in California, a Muslim woman wearing a hijab was pushing her baby in a stroller when a man in a truck almost ran them over near a gas station. When the woman cried, "You almost killed my baby!," the man responded, "It wouldn't have been a big loss."
Hate Crimes on Campuses
Anti-Muslim hate crimes have been especially visible on the campuses of universities and colleges nationwide since 9/11. In the Spring of 2003, anti-Muslim rants were shouted towards student Christine Lo's dorm room at Yale. Lo had hung an upside-down American flag outside of her window to protest the war in Iraq. The ranting students also attempted to pry open her door with a plank of wood. After they left, Lo found a note prompting Americans to kill Muslims and ''launch so many missiles their mothers don't produce healthy offspring.'' Yale administrator Raphael Soifer also became the target of discrimination when a Yale student spit at him in a dining hall and exclaimed ''I hope you and your families die! Why don't you go live in Iraq." Similar threats have been found at institutions such as San Jose State University (California) in 2003, where graffiti in the bathroom claimed, ''Muslims will be shot on SJSU campus on March 10!'' At the University of California Los Angeles Medical Center, moreover, Muslim prayer rugs were discovered soaked in pig's blood.
Status Quo
The trends indicated by the CAIR report, moreover, continue to hold true in 2005. As recently as June 2005, a Baltimore mosque was vandalized and the incident is suspected to be bias-related. Red paint was splashed on the mosque's sign, walls and fence. As Washington Post columnist Colbert I. King noted in his July 2, 2005 article entitled "Let's Proudly Hail the Rights of All," anti-Muslim sentiments are as prevalent as ever, even comparable to sentiments held by many of Japanese Americans during World War II. In June 2005 alone, King notes, a man was sentenced for firebombing an El Paso mosque, a Qur'an was desecrated with human waste in Nashville, a mosque was burned in California, a bag of burned Qur'ans was left outside an Islamic center in Virginia, and an Islamic school in Miami was vandalized for the third time. Political freedom, he muses, is perhaps not extended to Muslim Americans.
http://pluralism.org/reports/view/104
The majority does not have unlimited rights, for instance the majority does not have the right to violate the constitution
nor the right to maintain an unjust "justice" system.
Quote:Crimes are not more horrible because you dont like the motive for the crime, crimes are horrible only based upon the level of trespass, the judging of which has no role for getting into guessing about the motive...the motive is irrelevant.The Horror of Hate Crimes", but to read posts by either Hawkeye or BillRM you would have no feeling of horror about such crimes,
Quote:which begs the question why do you think that you needed to make new law to handle these cases, do you have any evidence that the old law did not deliver justice? It seems to have worked just fine to deal with the KKK.or the killing of the Latino man on Long Island, are no different than the acts of organized groups like the KKK,
which begs the question why do you think that you needed to make new law to handle these cases, do you have any evidence that the old law did not deliver justice?
Crimes are not more horrible because you dont like the motive for the crime, crimes are horrible only based upon the level of trespass, the judging of which has no role for getting into guessing about the motive...the motive is irrelevant.
When the state is judging the accused and if they are found guilty is handing out punishment that could include death my first order of business is to make sure that the state treats the accused fairly. I cant do anything about what has already happened, that I had nothing to do with, and if I want to help out the victim I have every opportunity to do it by way of charity so there is no need to weaken and pollute the justice system with pity for the victim.
Montgomery, Alabama (CNN) -- The security camera footage broadcast by CNN shows a grisly scene: a black man in Jackson, Mississippi, being fatally run over by a pickup truck after he was viciously beaten in a motel parking lot on a Sunday morning in June. Prosecutors say a group of white teens chose the man at random. They say the alleged ringleader, an 18-year-old now charged with murder, laughed about it afterward and boasted in a phone conversation about how he "ran that n----- over."
When we're confronted with such a shocking act of violence, we search for answers. We want to know what's in the hearts and minds of the attackers. We wonder what motivates someone to extinguish a life for no other reason than the color of the person's skin.
And, in an odd way, some people take comfort in the fact that it happened in Mississippi, with its legacy of Jim Crow segregation and terrorism aimed at the African-American community. We want to see the crime as simply a reflection of a Deep South state still haunted by its racist past -- something that couldn't happen in other parts of this country.
It's wishful thinking.
In Patchogue, New York, Marcelo Lucero, a 37-year-old Ecuadorian immigrant, was stabbed to death in 2008 when he was attacked by a gang of white teens who decided to hunt down and attack Latinos for sport -- or as they called it, "beaner hopping."
Globalization and our economic woes are leaving many young people without hope for the future.
J. Richard CohenIn Huntington Beach, California, three men and a woman with white supremacist tattoos went into a predominantly Latino neighborhood on July 3, 2009, looking for a "nonwhite" to hurt. They attacked a Latino man in an alley. Yelling racial slurs, they reportedly stabbed him three times.
In West Allis, Wisconsin, the opening night of the state fair this month turned to mayhem when dozens of black youths began attacking white people. A 16-year-old boy detained by police said he and others attacked white people because they were "easy targets," according to The Christian Science Monitor.
We can't pretend that what happened in Mississippi that June morning couldn't happen elsewhere. It already has, and it will again.
The social fabric in our country is fragile, and the fault lines are often defined by race. Our communities and schools are increasingly segregated. Globalization and our economic woes are leaving many young people without hope for the future. And we're seeing a backlash against the nation's changing ethnic makeup. All of this provides fertile ground for bigotry and violence to take root and flourish. Meanwhile, our political system seems paralyzed, incapable of protecting the interests of working people, much less pulling us together.
Messages of hate and bigotry can be found not only on the fringes of our society but virtually nonstop on television, talk radio and the Internet, where certain groups of people are demonized and held up as scapegoats for our problems. Too many of our politicians pour fuel on the fire by exploiting divisions in our society -- fostering an us-versus-them mentality and casting entire groups of people as "the other."
Despite the promise of the Obama presidency, it's time to realize we're not living in a "post-racial" society. It's time to speak out against bigotry and to call out those in public life who encourage hate and violence with their words. And it's time to invest in the future of our nation and its youth -- to provide hope and opportunity to the next generation. Our future depends on it.
"He was not remorseful. He was laughing, laughing about the killing," said district attorney Smith.
This was indeed a horrendous crime and its horrific nature should be taken into consideration in the punishment phase of the perpetrators, but is it any more horrendous than the rape and murder of a child, or terrorizing and murdering an elderly couple?
What if the murder was a a single, instantly fatal shot to the head from a distance? That might be labeled a "hate crime," but would it be as horrific?
Should the pepretrators of "hate murders" be executed twice or tortured to death? Should they recieve a life sentence of brutally hard labor?
How do you propose that they be dealth with?
Jackson hit-and-run death may be prosecuted under Mississippi hate crime law
Aug. 17, 2011
Hinds County District Attorney Robert Shuler Smith said Wednesday he plans to prosecute the June 26 hit-and-run killing of James Craig Anderson as a hate crime.
This could mark the first-ever prosecution under Mississippi's 1994 hate crime law. Criminal records reported to the Administrative Office of Courts reflect no case that used the law. Appeals courts records also show no appeal involving the law.
FBI spokeswoman Deborah Madden said agents are investigating the death of Anderson to "determine whether federal civil rights crimes occurred."
The Jackson Police Department recently concluded its investigation...
Smith has called the slaying a hate crime by two white teens against a middle-aged black man, "murder by physically assaulting and purposefully using a 1998 Ford F-250 to run over James Craig Anderson."
Deryl Dedmon, 19, of Brandon, who is accused of driving the truck, is charged with murder. John Aaron Rice, 18, also of Brandon, is charged with simple assault for allegedly attacking Anderson before he was killed.
Their attorneys deny they were involved in a racially motivated attack. One of the teen's attorneys said the group was on a beer run that morning, not out looking for a black man to assault, as prosecutors allege. Rice's attorney says Rice wasn't there when Anderson was hit by the truck...
Smith said he hopes to present a case to a Hinds County grand jury by early fall.
If Dedmon were convicted, his sentence could be doubled under the hate crime law.
Smith said such a trial would resemble a capital murder trial, with jurors deliberating first on the "guilt" phase. If the defendant were convicted, there would be a second phase where jurors determine the sentence.
Under the law, prosecutors must prove beyond a reasonable doubt the offense was committed by reason of the actual or perceived "race, color, ancestry, ethnicity, religion, national origin or gender of the victim."
Dedmon is charged as the driver of the green Ford F-250. He's being held in the Hinds County jail on an $800,000 bond. Rice posted a $5,000 bond, although Smith has said Rice could still be charged with murder.
In a recent hearing, Jackson police Detective Eric Smith testified Dedmon had been robbed by a black man in the weeks before Anderson's death and was looking for "some sort of revenge" when the group left a party in Rankin County, allegedly in search of a random black person "to mess with." Seven people headed to Jackson in two cars, with Dedmon and Rice in separate vehicles.
The district attorney has said racial slurs were used during the attack and that Dedmon later bragged that he "just ran that n----- over."
But Rice's attorney, Samuel Martin, has suggested the teens went to Jackson to buy beer - not to look for a black man...
Former prosecutor Patricia Bennett, a professor at Mississippi College School of Law, said believing a hate crime has taken place and proving it in a courtroom are often two different things.
"It's hard to prove a crime is racially motivated," she said. "Most often, it's going to be prosecuted just as that crime."
What makes this criminal case unique are the reported statements by Dedmon, she said. "That would be admissible to show his state of mind and intent at the time."
http://www.clarionledger.com/article/20110818/NEWS/108180341/Hit-run-death-may-tried-under-Miss-hate-crime-law
To me, this is true horror...................a human being that lacks any kind of conscience.
It's time to speak out against bigotry and to call out those in public life who encourage hate and violence with their words.
He's being held in the Hinds County jail on an $800,000 bond.
Isn't it appropriate to similarly impose enhanced punishment as a deterrent to the "allure" of crimes committed against children and the elderly?
Virtually every other criminal's action are subject to mitigation based on the nature of their upbringing, their sense of personal persecution, or hopelessness, but not the Hate Criminal
Virtually every other criminal's action are subject to mitigation based on the nature of their upbringing, their sense of personal persecution, or hopelessness, but not the Hate Criminal.