The Tea Party Republicans are Revolting

@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Why should we throw them out when they are doing exactly what we want them to? We elected a divided government with people who are sworn to not compromise. Why would we then punish them for doing their jobs?

This is a representative government. Our elected officials are supposed to represent us. They are uncompromising, nasty, backbiting cynics who can't compromise and would rather bring down the country then give up on their goals.

Congress is stellar job representing the American people. If we wanted any different we wouldn't have elected them in the first place.

Guess you didn't read my statement. We should throw them out because they seek to discredit the other parties by opposing even legitimate proposals for the sake of publicity. Many of them are dedicated only to winning.

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@Brandon9000,

I agree; the only way to fix Washington is to throw the bums out. That must include all of the 87 tea party members who doesn't know how to negotiate and compromise. They broke Washington with their nonsense.

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@maxdancona,

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I think we have different ideas about what the word "sane" means.

Sane mean understanding that defaulting on the US debt and ruining the full faith and credit of the US is not helpful in any way or in any manner. Causing the cost of servicing that debt to greatly increased.

Sane mean understanding that you can not keep dropping the tax rate and think you are not going to run into problems.

Sane mean understanding that the solution to the exploding national debt is not more tax cuts!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sane mean not calling for less government oversight of the finance markets so we keep having one melt down after another such as the housing mortgage bubble being the last.

Sane means you understand that you can not balance the budget on the backs of the middle and working class alone.

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@Brandon9000,

We already threw the bums out in 2010. I suppose you can throw them out again. The replacements are largely responsible for the current impasse. It isn't making any difference because we aren't solving the real problem. The American public put them there in the first place.

And another point you made doesn't make sense. People who aren't dedicated to winning don't get elected.

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@maxdancona,

There's a difference; you don't burn the house down to cut expenses.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

We already threw the bums out in 2010. I suppose you can throw them out again. The replacements are largely responsible for the current impasse. It isn't making any difference because we aren't solving the real problem. The American public put them there in the first place.

And another point you made doesn't make sense. People who aren't dedicated to winning don't get elected.

You really need to read posts before you reply to them. I said dedicated only to winning.

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@cicerone imposter,

People like you who are only able to insist that the other side is 100% to blame are a big part of the reason why Washington can't get anything done.

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@Brandon9000,

Brandon, It's evident you really haven't been reading my posts. Quit making foolish claims about me, because it only shows how stupid you are!

I posted this on page 48 of "tick-tick."

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@High Seas,
Comparing Portugal to the US belongs on the laffer curve. The US has had the strongest economy in the world for many decades, and its ability to pay debt has been rated one of the highest - until now.

We didn't get to this point by one party; they must both learn to take responsibility for today's crisis.

The tea party is a new creation in this country that is ready to destroy it.

They have already destroyed trillions of wealth for people around the world. They are terrorists of the worst kind.

And today on this thread.

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@Brandon9000,
I agree; the only way to fix Washington is to throw the bums out. That must include all of the 87 tea party members who doesn't know how to negotiate and compromise. They broke Washington with their nonsense.

If you fail to understand English, it means members of all three parties.

I hope you are capable of understanding English.

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@Brandon9000,

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People like you who are only able to insist that the other side is 100% to blame are a big part of the reason why Washington can't get anything done

Only one party is holding the full faith and credit of the US hostage to their demands.

Let see one side is willing to enacted budgets cuts to get a deal done.

The other side will not even talk about raising the top taxes rates to the levels they was before the Bush taxes cuts and is more then willing in fact seem eager to ruin the US credit rating in the world to made a point.

Case closed.

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@cicerone imposter,

cicerone imposter wrote:

Brandon, It's evident you really haven't been reading my posts. Quit making foolish claims about me, because it only shows how stupid you are!

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cicerone imposter wrote:

I agree; the only way to fix Washington is to throw the bums out. That must include all of the 87 tea party members who doesn't know how to negotiate and compromise. They broke Washington with their nonsense.

If you fail to understand English, it means members of all three parties.

I hope you are capable of understanding English.

Where in this second quote do you mention anyone being to blame but the Tea Party?

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

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People like you who are only able to insist that the other side is 100% to blame are a big part of the reason why Washington can't get anything done

Only one party is holding the full faith and credit of the US hostage to their demands.

Let see one side is willing to enacted budgets cuts to get a deal done.

The other side will not even talk about raising the top taxes rates to the levels they was before the Bush taxes cuts and is more then willing in fact seem eager to ruin the US credit rating in the world to made a point.

Case closed.

You say that the Republicans are holding the country hostage because they won't do what the Democrats want. Okay, why won't the Democrats end the crisis by doing what the Republicans want?

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Tea party activists are bracing for disappointment as negotiations on the debt ceiling move closer to a deal, but sending a clear signal to congressional Republicans that they are even less willing to tolerate compromise and more likely to seek retribution against anyone who has not fully supported their agenda.

They are focused in particular on the fate of the concession they extracted from House Speaker John Boehner in order to get his debt ceiling bill through the House last week - a provision making a balanced budget amendment to the Constitution a prerequisite for raising the debt ceiling again that they regarded as a huge victory.

“If the final bill is passed by establishment Republicans and House Democrats and does not include a balanced budget amendment as a requirement, it will be completely unacceptable and will be seen as a violation of the mandate that the tea party and likeminded people gave Republicans in 2010,” said Ryan Hecker, the leader of a crowd-sourced tea party effort called the Contract from America.

“The tea party didn’t help elect Republicans because they liked Republicans. They elected Republicans to give them a second chance. And if they go moderate on this, then they have ruined their second chance, and there will be a real effort to replace them with those who will stand up for economic conservative values,” said Hecker, who helped conservative House Republicans rally support for the amendment.

Read more: http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0711/60302.html#ixzz1Tikb11XV

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@Brandon9000,

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You say that the Republicans are holding the country hostage because they won't do what the Democrats want. Okay, why won't the Democrats end the crisis by doing what the Republicans want?

No the Democrats are not threatening to destroy the full faith and credit of the US if they do not get taxes rate increases for example.

The tea party is holding a knife to the economic heart of the country and the last I look fair and good faith negotiations does not involved having the other party threatening to blow themselves and you up if they do not get 100 percents of their wishes met.

Yes you could end this crisis for a short time but this is no way to allow a government to be run and they would next attempt to completely gut SS and Medicare.

If they will not bargain in good faith then allowing all hell to bring out now and getting them removed from any power in the next election is likely to be a smaller price to pay in the long run.

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@BillRM,

Perfect description of terrorists. Maybe, they have 72 virgins waiting for them?

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@cicerone imposter,

Yes Obama and his democrats are terrorists and hostage takers... they will meet 72 Virginians

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@H2O MAN,

Then Why did Obama and the Democrats just pay such a big ransom to free them.

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@maxdancona,

maxdancona wrote:

Then Why did Obama and the Democrats just pay such a big ransom to free them.

Democrats play to play, and republicans play to win... If you have a view of government as an infinite game you will play it entirely differently from those who feel it is a finite, winner take all show... The republicans play brinkmanship better than anyone... As long as the democrats do not grow some nads and a backbone to hang them on, the will be at the mercy of the republicans... Why people having no good reason to be republicans are republicans is that they like to win, even if vicariously while they loose in reality... The Democrats are losers because they lose, and they do not win because they do not know how to play the game... They do not even know what game they are playing... Because they have some idealistic notion of how the game should be played, and what the object of the game is they will always lose the real thing played without rules and no object but power and self enrichment...

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@maxdancona,

Let me see if I have this straight?

You're all for creating whatever hyperbolic nonsense that might possible form a "narrative" that will enhance your tribe's ability to dominate.

I don't suppose lies should even be avoided in order to advance the Great Cause.

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@Finn dAbuzz,

Although I usually disagree with your perspective, you earnestness is endearing. It is like you have conservative ideology with liberal sensibility (I suppose I am the opposite).

You are confusing the rules of the game with the goals behind the game.

This thread is about the Tea Party who quite often indulges in what can only be called "hyperbolic nonsense". You quite often accuse Obama of being a "socialist" and even an "lying African". Tea party elected officials make hyperbolic statements including suggesting that their fellow congresspeople should be investigated for being "anti-American".

Is the Tea Party doing something wrong? I would say no. Obviously they have the right to say whatever they want (with a few restrictions like not advocating violence).

That's how the system works. Each side can use whatever strategy they want to win over the American people to their side. The American voters are the only opinion that matters.

The system is designed to be self-regulating. If the Americans decide that you have crossed a line, then you will be penalized.

So yes, anything you do to win (within legal limits) is part of the game. The goal is to win over the American public, and the American public decides what is "hyperbolic nonsense" or not.

Since I believe that the Tea Party are clearly crossing the line, the obvious strategy is to keep what I consider outrageous behavior in front of the American public. Of course the American public will be the ultimate judge.

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@maxdancona,

When have I ever called Obama a "lying African?"

I never have and never would.

I would quite readily call him a "lying socialist," and not consider it hyperbole in the least.

That you believe I have is an indication of how much of a slave you are to the narrative you find so useful. People who identify themselves as Tea Party members are bigots, I identify myself with the Tea Party and therefore not only must I be a bigot, but you actually recall my often using a racial slur when I never have.

I'm glad you honestly clarified your position. I don't agree with it, but it has an unfortunate utility.

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