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The Tea Party Republicans are Revolting

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Mon 15 Aug, 2011 05:54 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

We will always need more street sweepers than we will men who can hit a baseball fairly three out of ten times at bat, but we will never pay the street sweepers what we pay the athlete, because it's easy to find people who can sweep streets but very difficult to find men who can hit .333.

Every nation that has tried to establish an economy based on the nonsense you are plying has either failed or been forced to greatly compromise their "principles," and become, essentially, what they have condemned.

Stop hoping for conditions that will satisfy your egoistic desire to be seen as a Revolutionary, and work for prosperity.
Your presumption here is false... We cannot find enough people to sweep the streets because the demands for profit without which the work is attacked as socialism drives the price of sweepers beyond the ability of tax payers paying taxes out of depressed wages to afford... Yes; people would do it for fair wages and sit idle without work... When the demands for taxes becomes too great, the rich simply relocate south, or overseas... The notion of a long term relationship between the rich and their employees is a thing of the past... But so is the love and loyalty of the employee for employer... The rich are showing their true nature, and as hard as it is to accept, it is an education for the working class... Some day, the rich will push their good thing too far...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 05:57 am
@Fido,
They already have. It's been going on for several decades while the rich got fatter increases and benefits while the middle class and the poor took it in the chin. I believe it was the seventies when wives and mothers started to go back into the workplace to live like the Joneses, but many found after a couple of decades that the two income families were only threading water. They lived like the Joneses by increasing their debt; not from increased income value.

Last year, the CEO's gained 35% increases while the middle class barely kept up with inflation, but add in the increased cost of fuel and food, and they came out zero ahead.

The CEO's fail to see that college graduates are not being hired at the rates of just one decade ago, because they'd rather increase their wealth than share it with others. It's basic greed.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 08:29 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

They already have. It's been going on for several decades while the rich got fatter increases and benefits while the middle class and the poor took it in the chin. I believe it was the seventies when wives and mothers started to go back into the workplace to live like the Joneses, but many found after a couple of decades that the two income families were only threading water. They lived like the Joneses by increasing their debt; not from increased income value.

Last year, the CEO's gained 35% increases while the middle class barely kept up with inflation, but add in the increased cost of fuel and food, and they came out zero ahead.

The CEO's fail to see that college graduates are not being hired at the rates of just one decade ago, because they'd rather increase their wealth than share it with others. It's basic greed.
Women in the work force drove down wages and put strains on relationships that resulted in even more women looking for work and with children and working for anything they could get... In your father's generation it was expected that a man's wages would support a wife and children... Now it is presumed he will live alone and hand to mouth... What Marx said was true: Wages are set by the cost of keeping meat on bones... Take off the silk gloves, and reveal the iron fist of capital...

Looking on the bright side, we have tried and are trying even more to give capital all it demands of this society and at the cost of the hopes and dreams of millions of people... What we do when giving to dying capital all the blood it demands from us does not work is an open question... Some are ready now to throw into the open maw of industry and business the still living bodies of their neighbors and fellow citizens... Some are ready to resist... Others are ready for a fight, and as yet without a clear target... The future's uncertain and the end is always near... I say resist... Quit giving into capital without a fight... The beast is almost dead... Deny it our lives and it will soon expire...
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 08:38 am
@Fido,
We still have to eat.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 09:57 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

We still have to eat.
If they screw up their economy enough we won't eat, and there will be hell to pay...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 20 Aug, 2011 02:31 pm
@Fido,
Nicely written Fido, but utter nonsense.

When will we start seeing Fido pamphlets in the streets?

north
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 06:16 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

Obama and his democrats have already screwed up the economy more than enough and they will pay hell in 2012.


HOW did Obama and Democrats screw up the economy exactly ?
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Sun 21 Aug, 2011 09:33 pm
@north,
waterboy is a mindless, useless, brainless poster who never contributes anything worth reading. I've put him on Ignore a long time ago. He's a dumb parrot that repeats what he hears on FOX News.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 03:00 am
@north,
In 2006 unemployment was at 4.6% and the Dems took the House. After 6 years of complaining about how much money Bush was spending on the wars they for some reason didn't stop it like they said they were going to. It was about this time that the housing markets were starting to look a little funny. Growth was starting to slow and people were already starting to lose their houses. It was primarily the ARM's that were starting to fail. At this point they didn't look into Fannie May or Freddie Mac to find out what was going on. Instead they focused their attention Bush and making sure his last 2 years in office were failures. They were pushing the budget but didn't seem too interested in slowing down the rate of spending.

In 2008 unemployment was at 5.0 and when the election took place in Nov it was at 6.8%. Just before the election people were losing their houses faster than the banks could take them back. With an election on the line Barack Obama voted to give the banks money to keep them from failing. This $700 billion payoff to the banks was the first step. Obama voted for it knowing he could become president. He didn't put up a fight. With the Dems running the house and a 2 seat lead in the Senate as well as having a lock on the Presidential race it is a wonder how the Left can blame the Reps for TARP when you look at the voting spread:

In the House, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 172 Yea; 63 Nay
Republican 91 Yea; 108 Nay
Total - 263 Yea; 171 Nay

In the Senate, H.R. 1424 passed with the following breakdown of votes:
Democratic 41 Yea; 10 Nay
Republican 33 Yea; 15 Nay
Total - 74 Yea; 25 Nay (Sen. Kennedy was in the hospital and did not vote.

Officially the Dems added $700 billion to the defect but have somehow pushed the blame onto the Reps.

After the election and within the first 10 days of the new Congress the Dems were at it again. This time doing an $800 billion Stimulus package. In less than 4 months they had nearly spent 2 trillion dollars. At this point unemployment was at 7.8%.

Forward 1 year and several months later and what are the Dems doing now but spending another 1 trillion on health care coverage. So in the last 1 1/2 years the Dems have spent 3 trillion dollars and we were told before the Stimulus plan that this would keep unemployment capped at 8%.

By the elections of 2010 unemployment was at 9.8% and didn't appear to be going down any. There wasn't any relief in the job market until the Bush tax cuts were extended for everyone. Since that time unemployment has dropped down to 9.1. With the added stability in the tax code jobs are slowly coming back.

Pretty much sums up how the Dems have pushed the economy to the brink of death and will do nothing to fix it. They have to understand what a debt-to-income-ratio is and try to live by it. There is no reason why we can't cut spending and instead of increasing taxes close some loop holes.
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:12 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
A2K is the new street... The litter is so thick you need equipment to surmount it... Look there for my garbage and your buttwipe... The only thing that has meaning is action, and everyone is waiting for some one to go first... Revolution will not happen untless it happems with millions of followers and no leaders because the people with the power have the sense to neutralize any potential leaders is the first flush of revolt... So don't look at me... All you people who actually think you are individuals will some day have to learn to think and act on your own if you will make change... But, as the recent riots have shown, it is so much easier to hide irresponsibility behind collective irresponsibility... Humanity as we have it, having no understanding that democracy is power seek power vicariously through some powerful person because it is preferable to what they know of democracy, that it is responsibility without power... Isn't that what we are getting from our government: Yes, America is screwed up, but you wanted it that way!!! A vote without a choice should never be confused with true power in your life... We have no choice.... And as stressful as it is to have to take charge of our own affairs, and make choices and live and die by them, that alternative is clearly better than trusting others to run us into extinction and destroy all hope of retrieving our honor and freedom...

Finn... The problem of revolution is not what most people think, that they have to change everything at once and present the world with a fool proof plan for changing economy, government, and religion along with every social relationship at once... This thought is false... All people need to change is themselves, and without a change of self, no change made to society will be effective of long lasting... But; the change of self is not more difficult than the change of external reality, but is so difficult as to be impossible for most since few bother to examing their lives or have the time to... The best thing about depression, is that it gives time to people to think, to examine their crushed dreams, and the promises made by the idealist in society, and if people can trash all that has trashed them, and reject all that has rejected them, and assert a new self, and make demands for themselves of others and for others, then there is chance for change and revolution.... I don't want to make revolution with a bunch of amatures... I am a professional revolutionary, and have given it a life of time and effort... But; professionals don't make revolution... Idiots make revolution... Angry people having had never a thought of revolution blunder into it out of total frustration and once they have broken enough heads they realize there is no going back... I would like to have a say in which way revolution tends toward.... I hope I live to see the people express the pain they have blamed on each other on the true source of their pain... Chances are that the government would round anyone with revolution on their lips long before that happens, and send us death camping...
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:20 am
@north,
north wrote:

H2O MAN wrote:

Obama and his democrats have already screwed up the economy more than enough and they will pay hell in 2012.


HOW did Obama and Democrats screw up the economy exactly ?
Even I know the republican answer to this: The democrats have always screwed up the economy, and Mr. Obama was born into that screw up and has lived in that screw up and fed on the screw up just as humanity was born into original sin and profitted by it... Don't try to tell a christian you didn't eat no apple, or tell a republican that the democrats did not screw up the economy... Everyone knows better...

Look at it this way: Capitalism is an ideal economy, and it is for the ideal, because of the ideal that real people must suffer... But in spite of the suffering of humanity, if the ideal still does not work, it is because people are not pure enough or ideal enough to deserve the proper working of the ideal... No One Can Blame the Ideal... In the light of the ideal all our imperfections are revealed...
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Fido
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 05:27 am
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

waterboy is a mindless, useless, brainless poster who never contributes anything worth reading. I've put him on Ignore a long time ago. He's a dumb parrot that repeats what he hears on FOX News.
I know he is an idiot; but what has that to do with it??? You cannot ignore him... Idiots like him and they are many have the same vote as you, and they are used and manipulated to keep America under the thumb of the rich... We have to find some thread of common sense in those people... We have to find the working brain in all that filth and rot... We have to find the remnants of a free heart in them beating out of love of freedom and justice... Hitler did not ignore such scum and stupidity, such frustration and hatred of futile democracy... Clown like waterman war only waiting for a new hitler to justify them in their stupidy and farce... The last thing we need to do is ignore them... They will not be ignored...
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 06:59 am
One of the most interesting or at to me most interesting footnote is that the dumping to the tea in Boston harbor have nothing to do with taxes and everything to do with the dumping of very cheap tea onto the markets of the colonies. Harming the merchants who had stocks of tea in their warehouses. A large percent of those tea stocks was from struggling.

This re-writing of history begins around 1830 or so.

Second Franklin consider the dumping to be nothing but vandalism and he alone with some other businessmen offer to pay the 10,000 pounds for the dump teas themselves to settle this matter.

The British government refused to take their money as to them it was for Boston to pay.

So I guess it is fitting that fools name their party and themselves not only after a sex act but after an event that have very little or nothing to do with taxes but with protecting the rich merchant class of the colonies.
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H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 07:55 am
@north,


How has Obama helped the economy?

Give one example of how Obama's policies has actually improved the US economy.
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Mon 22 Aug, 2011 07:55 am
@cicerone imposter,
cice is a dickless, brainless, worthless POS.
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 07:00 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:



How has Obama helped the economy?

Give one example of how Obama's policies has actually improved the US economy.
He is trying to sesusitate the capitalist economy using the traditional tools of government to facilitate the economy; but the republicans ran up the national debt before the democrats could get there and find the tool box robbed... It really does not matter... You cannot, and no one can stop capitalism from privatizing everything of value, and of robbing so much value from society through short wages and high interest on everything that no one can buy what they need with what they have, and the economy takes a ****... The rich refuse to be taxed and the people are already plundered... We only have the dire choice of revolution before us, and if we will not do so we will suffer the same slavery we have so often inflicted on the third world, and deserve it... Mr. Obama cannot fix the problems natural to capitalism as an economy that people blind themselves to out of the tyranny of idealism, wspecially when he is as blind as everyone else... We have had capitalism growing and becoming what it is for five hundred years, and it has become every where as hopeless and oppressive as the Feudalism it destroyed... We will live with this industrial and commercial feudalism if we chose, but we can only do so as slaves and serfs, and we should call it by its true name: Fascism..
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 07:01 pm
@H2O MAN,
H2O MAN wrote:

cice is a dickless, brainless, worthless POS.
And you lie.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 26 Aug, 2011 08:46 pm
@Fido,
Yea, people like waterboy has the same vote as I do, and it's been proven over my lifetime that they vote for the likes of GW Bush (twice) and Palin. There's no cure for stupid. I'll live longer by ignoring their idiocy.
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 27 Aug, 2011 07:17 pm
@cicerone imposter,
cicerone imposter wrote:

Yea, people like waterboy has the same vote as I do, and it's been proven over my lifetime that they vote for the likes of GW Bush (twice) and Palin. There's no cure for stupid. I'll live longer by ignoring their idiocy.
There may be no cure for stupid, but the cure for ignorance is education... The problem with the wrongs is that they can have a lot of actual knowledge and be relatively well educated, but given the same facts reality presents to us, their default position is enmity toward humanity, and a reliance of revelation and faith... They learn first to believe, and then they learn all else that does not conflict with their votes... The ethic is often their ethnicity... They vote who they are rather than what they think because what they think based upon what they think they know hides in the light of what they believe... Stupid is not their problem but a deliberate and pernicious sort of ignorance that rejects knowledge... And, they have the same vote as us, so the object is not to beat our heads against theirs, but to stop them completely...

Those who believe should not vote... No majority vote of any sort has the power to deny people their rights, and ignorant people, acting on faith is the reason we have so few rights, and why the government does not enforce the ones we do have... Government is a job for reasonable people... I am not saying the ignorant should not govern themselves in their own communities... I am saying they should be denied the right to decide any issue of moment... They are children playing with adult toys... They are the irrational playing a game that absolutely demands reason... They are fcking up this society worse by the moment and ought to be forced to make one rational argument before being allowed to vote on any important issue... Deny them as they would deny to all our democracy, equality, and justice...
 

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