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The Tea Party Republicans are Revolting

 
 
Fido
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:03 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

They are pretty damn revolting, that's for sure. Oh...you were using it as a verb, not an adjective! Oops, either way, they are sickening!
Those dumasses are our fellow citizens and if the parties had not served up over three quarters of the districts to themselves, gerrymandered into safe districts, then this sort of nonsense would not be possible... The republican plan to own the house is backfiring big time since they have so radicalized their districts in the process that they either elect radicals or drag the republicans righter than any one in their right mind would choose to be... No one can say they didn't do it to themselves... Now they have to work with it, and I stand with all those dumasses who want to tear down government and start over... I am not proud of their ignorance, but it is a t hing that must be got around... If we cannot educate them to the value of government and government is continually educating them to their want of value then **** the government because the people dumasses too are not going no where...
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:48 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

This would be funny if it weren't putting our economy in so much risk.

Last night Speaker Boehner failed to get his bill past a House captive to the Tea Party even though they stayed until 11PM.

Of course they are opposing anything Obama, but the Tea Party Republicans are now turning against their own Republican leader. Their revolt against anything sane is even hurting their own party politically.

The Tea Party will forever be known as the crazy idiots who almost destroyed the American economy. I only hope I am right about the "almost" part.



It really warms my heart that you're so concerned about the GOP and that nice reasonable man John Boehner.

Of course before there was a Tea Party, you were pretty OK with the Republican Party and its leaders like John Boehner, Tom Delay, Trent Lott and George W Bush. Sure they were a little more heartless than you would have preferred but at least they were sane and would never think to put polictics over the interests of the nation...just like the Democrats!

As far as this Debt Ceiling matter goes, what is there from Obama that can be opposed? Oh yes, that masterpiece of detailed policy soluttions, The Framework.

Those damned Tea Party Republicans! They're actually trying to hold faith with the principles of the people who elected them in 2010! What gall. Don't they realize they're not in Washington to represent the opinions and preferences of the voters? They are there to represent their constituents' "interests," and as we all know, the folks in Washington know better than nay of us what those interests are.

And what if a majority of the voters in their district elected them to represent Tea Party principles. Those crackpots are nuts Mr. Freshman Republican Representative, listen to us, the left-wingers who would never have voted for you but who you should realize are dead right on every issue. After all, didn't we elect Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Rangel, Chuck Schumer, Anthony Weiner, Dick Durbin, Barney Frank, Maxine Waters, Henry Waxman, Patrick Leahy, and Barack Obama? Look at where that got us, and realize you would be foolish not to follow our lead.

Afterall, we have Paul Krugman, Rachel Maddow, Chris Matthews, Maureen Dowd, Frank Rich, Bill Maher, Keith Olberman, Janeane Garofalo, Katrina Vandenheuvel, Markos Moulitsas Zuniga and Adrianna Huffinton
showing us the light every day. If you can't trust our own inate wisdom on economic matters, surely you can trust our mentors and heralds.

Max, I'm sure you will forever know the Tea Party to be crazy idiots, but I suspect that they don't really give a damn.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:49 pm
@Miller,
Miller wrote:

The Tea Party nonsense will put Obama back in office in 2012.


Just like it saved the House of Representatives for the Democrats in 2010.
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:56 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
Somebody's a little touchy.
Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 07:57 pm
@BillRM,
BillRM wrote:

Another interesting feature of the Roman Republic was that during war times a large percents of the Rome Senators and others in the leadership of the Republic assume military roles and there was wars and conflicts where a very large percent of the total senate membership die on the battlefield along with the Rome consuls who are similar to our position as president.

Somehow I wonder if Bush and the senators and congressmen would had been so eager to send troops around the world if they was the ones who would need to lead them and to place their lives on the line also.



Interesting.

Do you think president Obama would have ordered a surge in troop numbers in Afghanistan is he had to lead them in battle?

Do you think he would have greatly increased the number of drone attacks on Islamic terrorists if he had to fly the Predators himself?

You make a good point though, Republicans have always been gutless war-mongers who, if they were forced to go to war, would become pacifists. Democrats on the hand have always wanted to lead the troops into battle during such conflicts as Korea, Vietnam, Bosnia, and Libya. They couldn't, of course, because their personal lives have meant and mean too much to America Alas, their courage and battle lust had to be restrained.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 08:02 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Somebody's a little touchy.


Aggh...tough to withstand so rapier like a retort.
maxdancona
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 08:19 pm
@Finn dAbuzz,
No need for sharp objects Finn.

I think the crazy Tea Party Republicans hurting the country narrative is a pretty good one. And with the no compromise thing and the assault on Medicare, they seem to be jumping into this role. We will see how well it plays over the next 15 months.

I think you are putting too much stake on the 2010 midterms. It seems to me the issue was jobs, not deficit. This is one of the reasons the Republicans are grossly overplaying their hand.

I am also curious how you think the people who elected Obama in 2008 were different then the people who voted in 2o10.

jcboy
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 08:24 pm
@Fido,
I could hit that one blindfolded Smile

Just when we thought that the atmosphere in Congress could not become more toxic and contumaciously viperous last November Americans fell for the idiocy of these tea baggers, and now they seek to hold us all hostages to their stupidity. You see!? For years scientists have warned of the dangers of in-breeding. This is the end result. Take it in, America!
Buffalo
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 09:07 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:



The Tea Party will forever be known as the crazy idiots who almost destroyed the American economy. I only hope I am right about the "almost" part.



NOT BY ME!!!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 09:34 pm
@maxdancona,
Almost? They are already responsible for investors around the world to have lost trillions during the past week. With any downgrade of US bonds, that will also cost trillions, and the cost for everything from now on will increase.

They are not "revolting" so much as they are terrorists who are out to destroy our country on a non-issue routine action of congress called the debt ceiling.

bin Ladin could not have done a better job at destroying our country.
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 10:26 pm
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

No need for sharp objects Finn.

Which is obviously why you resorted to a Nurf retort.

I think the crazy Tea Party Republicans hurting the country narrative is a pretty good one.

Well you would, wouldn't you because irrespective of whether or not it's true, the politically motivated narrative is all that matters.

And with the no compromise thing and the assault on Medicare, they seem to be jumping into this role. We will see how well it plays over the next 15 months.

Fortunately most Americans don't define compromise as agreeing to everything your opponent demands. We will see how the political narratives play out and I'm betting that as much as you would like this to be the case, the sneering haughty president without a plan of his own is not going to win any points. You and Obama think his ploy will work because you believe, in general, that the American people are a bunch of rubes who can be manipulated by political narratives spun by the Administrations ally, The Main Stream Media. It didn't work in 2010 and it won't work in 2012.

If Obama has been scoring all of these political points during this debt debate, why has his approval rating been simultaneously dropping?


I think you are putting too much stake on the 2010 midterms. It seems to me the issue was jobs, not deficit. This is one of the reasons the Republicans are grossly overplaying their hand.

Here again...you would, wouldn't you?

Let's say you're right though and the 2010 issue was jobs and not the government spending taxpayer money like a drunken sailor. Where are the new jobs that are going to make the folks who didn't vote Democrat in 2010 switch in 2012?

If jobs were the driving force behind the 2010 results than irrespective of what happens with the debt debate, if the job situation doesn't improve by 11/12, Obama and his party are toast.

If Obama is able to obtain some political advantage out of this mess (and I'm hardly convinced he can) it will be as fleeting as the political advantage he received from sending the Seals over to pop Osama.


I am also curious how you think the people who elected Obama in 2008 were different then the people who voted in 2o10.

Well, for one thing they voted Republican and not Democrat, but more importantly they had been disabused of their enchantment with the whole Hope & Change crock.

The fairy dust aint going to work in 2012 anymore than it did in 2010.

For all the hyperbolic praise of Obama's eloquence and political genius, he is a pale shadow of William Jefferson Clinton.

You could hate Clinton's policies, but it was tough not to like him. Likeable Rogue was coined just for him. The same could be said about Ronald Reagan. In my younger and ignorant early years I despised Reagan politically, and yet after every speech he gave, I couldn't help but admit that he was a likeable SOB.

Whether likeability is or isn't an important characteristic of a great president, Obama has lost his.

Actually I'm not sure he ever had likeability but if he didn't, his charisma and (foolish) promise more than made up for it.

Anyone who rises to power on the wave of the public looking for a savior is going to disappoint. Obviously he wasn't the Messiah, and as the woman in that famous Youtube clip has now realized, everything hasn't gotten fixed since he's been president. She still has to pay her mortgage and worry about whether or not she is making enough to support her kids. What's more the seas are still rising and if Man actually is killing Gaia, Obama has not only not saved her, he hasn't interceded in the assualt.

There's no doubt that he can count on the lemmings who will vote Democrat no matter what, but he won the White House thanks to Independents and he has lost them now. If he didn't think this was the case he wouldn't be pissing off all y'all liberals by courting the Center.


Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 10:32 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

I could hit that one blindfolded Smile

Just when we thought that the atmosphere in Congress could not become more toxic and contumaciously viperous last November Americans fell for the idiocy of these tea baggers, and now they seek to hold us all hostages to their stupidity. You see!? For years scientists have warned of the dangers of in-breeding. This is the end result. Take it in, America!


And this is less noxious than a rant about how fudge-packers are destroying America?

I await your response anxiously.
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Fido
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 10:56 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

I could hit that one blindfolded Smile

Just when we thought that the atmosphere in Congress could not become more toxic and contumaciously viperous last November Americans fell for the idiocy of these tea baggers, and now they seek to hold us all hostages to their stupidity. You see!? For years scientists have warned of the dangers of in-breeding. This is the end result. Take it in, America!
The problem is not so much genetic as ideological inbreeding... They educate themselves, they let churches control their thoughts and social life, they all follow their fair and balanced propaganda, and those that read all read the same books... They scorn new ideas and rehash old ones... Just like the symbolism of their names: All about some long dead past that no one will manage to revive...They are not simply captivated by the past, but are captives of it, literally...
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 29 Jul, 2011 11:29 pm
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Finn dAbuzz
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 12:08 am
@Fido,
I never before realized what I free radical you might be Fido.

The American Constitution is a failure?!

I have an unsubstantiated sense that you get pummeled by both the Left and the Right. This could be a sign of the accuity of your perspective, but I can't dimiss this nagging sense that you constantly try to play to the Lefties.

All Iconoclasts are not iconoclastic.
jcboy
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 07:30 am
@firefly,
HAHAHA

Ignorance is the only thing I didn't see in the formula and it's such a huge part of the party...
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maxdancona
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 07:35 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Your arguments don't make much sense Finn.

The idea that politics shouldn't be political is laughable. Politics is all about political narrative and the side that constructs the best narrative always wins. This was true about Obama's victory with Hope and Change and it was true about the Tea Party outsider revolution of common people. It's all politics.

We can argue about the meanings of 2008 and 2010, but one thing is very clear. The American people are fickle. Convincing Obama victory with big majorities in both houses of Congress one election, and then Tea Party revolt with big changes in Congress the next. If the Republicans could put together three or four victories it would mean something. Right now it appears the American people are just floundering about wildly for the new thing each time.

You point out that Obama's approval ratings are dropping. So is the Tea Party's approval rating. The approval rating of "Republicans in Congress" is lower than any other group of elected officials. But it doesn't matter-- none of this predicts electoral success.

This is politics. You seem to confuse it with religion.


Fido
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:22 am
@Finn dAbuzz,
Finn dAbuzz wrote:

I never before realized what I free radical you might be Fido.

The American Constitution is a failure?!

I have an unsubstantiated sense that you get pummeled by both the Left and the Right. This could be a sign of the accuity of your perspective, but I can't dimiss this nagging sense that you constantly try to play to the Lefties.

All Iconoclasts are not iconoclastic.
I am a revolutionary, and the constitution judged by its aims in the preamble is a failure... It did not anticipate nor control parties, but inertia was already built into the goverment in the Senate and Supreme Court... Now we have inertia on top of inertia... To move the government that does not want to move you must first move the parties which do not want to move... How does any of this lead to good government and responsive government???
Fido
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 08:25 am
@maxdancona,
maxdancona wrote:

Your arguments don't make much sense Finn.

The idea that politics shouldn't be political is laughable. Politics is all about political narrative and the side that constructs the best narrative always wins. This was true about Obama's victory with Hope and Change and it was true about the Tea Party outsider revolution of common people. It's all politics.

We can argue about the meanings of 2008 and 2010, but one thing is very clear. The American people are fickle. Convincing Obama victory with big majorities in both houses of Congress one election, and then Tea Party revolt with big changes in Congress the next. If the Republicans could put together three or four victories it would mean something. Right now it appears the American people are just floundering about wildly for the new thing each time.

You point out that Obama's approval ratings are dropping. So is the Tea Party's approval rating. The approval rating of "Republicans in Congress" is lower than any other group of elected officials. But it doesn't matter-- none of this predicts electoral success.

This is politics. You seem to confuse it with religion.



Politics is just another form of relationship... There is no form of relationship free of politics... The problem with national politics is that it is all form and no relationship much like the government itself... How good can cany form be that sets everyone at odds and denies them the ability to reconcile???
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JPB
 
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Reply Sat 30 Jul, 2011 09:31 am
@maxdancona,
I just picked this conversation off of FB. R is a Canadian.

Quote:
R: To my American friends: you HAVE to pay the bill. I know that raising taxes isn't popular, but for the past few decades, your elected seatwarmers have been spending like drunks. I keep hearing about certain teabaggers signing pledges to "never raise taxes", but as some genius once said: "you can't suck and blow at the same time." Cut costs, raise revenues and just get it done already!

L: Americans dont want to pay for what they want.
12 hours ago · Like

R: That's the crazy thing, L. We pay a LOT more in taxes up here, but you basically get what you pay for, including free health care, etc. You simply can't have a bazillion dollar military and a ton of other expensive things in conjunction with one of the world's lowest tax rates. Either you give up what you hold dear or you find a way to fund it! The problem right now is that everyone is paying a ton of interest on LAST week's indulgence, and yet it appears that nobody even wants to raise any money for this week's? It makes no sense. A 5-10 year major corporate tax "correction" and a modest increase in taxes (across the board) plus some tough spending decisions would completely correct the situation...but you have to start somewhere. Pledging to not raise taxes is just stoopid.
11 hours ago · Like

M: You miss the point, R..."teabaggers" can suck and blow at the same time! This will get resolved and those buttholes will all be one termers!
10 hours ago · Like

R: I hope you're right, M. I think the Tea Party started off with a pretty valid position, but it's somehow morphed into this idiotic monster that's one part Maury Povich, one part Rush Limbaugh and one part Oral Roberts, and the sad part is that you have representatives who are beholden to them. Who ever thought that there would be a revolution against the 'revolutionaries'?
 

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