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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 03:34 am
@hawkeye10,
Well in any case Hawkeye the porn is the problem guess is not proven to the point in my opinion that they should just jump into a self treatment program for porn addiction.

In my first post I stated that this man problems is such a nature that the wise thing for his partner of only a few months would be for him to walk away.

But if he wish to play the role of rescuer then the wise course of action would be to find out what his problems are and not jump to conclusions.

Note the red is for you Firefly.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 11:33 am
@BillRM,
You are citing a study on obscenity and pornography that was done in 1970--long before the internet made pornography widely and continuously available.
You must be living in a vacuum if you are not aware that today porn addiction has become a significant (and sometimes costly) problem for a great many people, and, in addition, it can adversely affect sexual functioning with real life partners in various ways.

But, the pros and cons of pornography are not the issues in this thread. The issue is how long term reliance on pornography may have affected Comet83's friend and how he can now be helped to find equivalent sexual arousal and satisfaction with a real life partner.

So, stop defending porn--no one is trying to take your porn away from you. View it to your hearts content, and masturbate profusely, if that's what you want to do--no one is trying to cramp your life style.

Your repeated assumption that Comet83's friend is only suffering from a fear of contracting HIV, and that's why sex with a partner is less arousing and stimulating for him than pornography, is rather simplistic.

Do you honestly think that gay men do not think about, and openly discuss, such issues as STD's and precautions that need to be taken? Do you honestly believe that if fear of contracting HIV was the main problem with Comet83's friend that the two of them wouldn't have talked about that? So, why would Comet83 and his friend be attributing the problem to the effects of pornography dependence if fear of contracting HIV was the main issue?

In addition, you seem to be overlooking the fact that Comet83's friend previously was in a sexual relationship with a partner. So, we are not talking about someone with a life-long irrational fear of contracting HIV, a fear that was so great he would risk no direct sexual contact. But his former partner betrayed him by having sex outside of the relationship and that partner contracted HIV as a result. That Comet83's friend then chose to be celibate for the next 10 years might have been a reaction to being betrayed, rather than just a fear of contracting HIV. Not only did his former partner betray his trust, he did it in a way that could have lethal implications for both of them, which makes the impact of that betrayal all the more profound. That's more than enough to damage anyone's sense of trust, and, in that light, his choice to then remain celibate is very understandable as a reaction to being deeply wounded by someone he trusted who betrayed him.

But Comet83's friend is now in a new relationship, and in a relationship where he does want to enjoy sex with a partner, and that clearly suggests his sense of trust is returning. And Comet83's friend wants to overcome a problem that seems to be interfering with fulfilling and satisfying sex with that partner, again clearly suggesting that whatever fears he might have had previously have significantly diminished. And Comet83's friend clearly identifies his learned, long-term reliance on pornography for sexual arousal and stimulation--in a solitary context not involving a partner--as the current source of interference with good sexual functioning with his new partner. Not only does all of this not indicate a man with "major mental health" issues, as you have concluded, it indicates someone with rather good insight into the source of his current difficulties, and someone who is motivated to overcome those difficulties.

I can't help but think that your insistence on seeing this man as deeply disturbed, and consequently in such need of medical/psychiatric intervention that self-help approaches would be downright dangerous (you compared the seriousness of his difficulties to suffering from gangrene, and self help would be like trying to amputate a gangrenous limb with a butter knife) is really a reflection of your own negative feelings about gay men. You dismiss quite legitimate concerns about contracting HIV, particularly among gay men, as being almost silly, which does reflect some patronizing attitudes toward gays on your part. You obviously feel that gays do not have the capacity to emotionally grow, change, or overcome inter-personal problems through new learning or self-help--you see them as such emotional basket-cases that only professional or medical help is a safe intervention or approach. In all of this, I see considerable anti-gay feeling on your part. And don't bother telling me, "Some of my best friends are gay". For whatever reason, you don't see gays has having the same internal resources, or superior judgment, that you possess in dealing with their anxieties. They can't even recognize their real problems as well as you can. Your attitudes toward gays are, at best, patronizing, if not covertly contemptuous.

Self help approaches, particularly when accompanied by support groups, are the best initial course of action for the sort of problem that Comet83's friend appears to be experiencing. Only when these approaches fail to be effective is professional help needed. And that's true for most dependencies, addictions, compulsive behaviors and phobias. And that self help generally involves removing or stopping whatever behavior or substance consumption is involved and learning how to cope and function effectively without it. And the internet can provide a lot of good information on how to go about doing that as well as providing support groups to offer encouragement and assistance.

Comet83's friend has taken the first steps by getting involved in a relationship with Comet83, and by identifying the source of the problem in their sexual relationship, and by wanting to overcome the problem, and by asking for links or books he can read to better understand and deal with the problem. Whatever anxieties he had, or has, regarding trust issues in a relationship, seem to have diminished, and will likely continue to diminish, as the relationship grows and he continues to gain trust in Comet83--that's how that sort of healing happens after a betrayal in a previous relationship.

Now Comet83's friend has to try to eliminate pornography from his life if he wants to enhance his sexual functioning with his real life partner--just as he would have to eliminate drugs or alcohol, if those factors were interfering with his sexual functioning. That may not be easy, particularly initially, but there is a lot of good help out there, particularly on the internet. Most importantly, by reading the info available, Comet83's friend will find that many others have suffered from the same problem and have successfully overcome it, and that sort of knowledge can be very comforting and empowering.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 20 Jul, 2011 12:31 pm
BillRM said

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But if he wish to play the role of rescuer then the wise course of action would be to find out what his problems are and not jump to conclusions.


Firefly said

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Your repeated assumption that Comet83's friend is only suffering from a fear of contracting HIV, and that's why sex with a partner is less arousing and stimulating for him than pornography, is rather simplistic


Anyone else besides me see a problem with Firefly's comprehension skills?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 04:24 am
@firefly,
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You are citing a study on obscenity and pornography that was done in 1970--long before the internet made pornography widely and continuously available.
You must be living in a vacuum if you are not aware that today porn addiction has become a significant (and sometimes costly) problem for a great many people, and, in addition, it can adversely affect sexual functioning with real life partners in various ways.


The point I was making is that porn have a long history of being attacked for reasons that have to do with moral/religious beliefs and is often attacked under the excuse that it is harmful.

This is nothing new and the religious people had the charming habit of wheeling junk science into such fights to support their positions and or questioning studies such as you had just done that found that porn is fairly harmless.

See the so call science of creationism as an example of religious people wheeling out junk science.

In any case, I had not seen anything that had raised above the level of junk science such as creationism that support your position that porn has a wide spread harmful affect and that is with or without the internet.

Oh once more I am pointing out no matter what the effects of porn you are the one who is cheerfully jumping to the conclusion that is the man problem that can be treated by self help methods.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 04:43 am
@firefly,
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I can't help but think that your insistence on seeing this man as deeply disturbed, and consequently in such need of medical/psychiatric intervention that self-help approaches would be downright dangerous (you compared the seriousness of his difficulties to suffering from gangrene, and self help would be like trying to amputate a gangrenous limb with a butter knife) is really a reflection of your own negative feelings about gay men.


LOL and more LOL as the sexual orientation of those involved is almost completely beside the point as women and men who are straight had die from STDs also and there is nothing in the story that could not apply to heterosexual couples.

Second there seems something shameful in yours eyes in having an emotional problem that might call for profession treatments.

Why is that Firefly as that seem a position that would be assume by a poorly educated and right winger and neither conditions apply to you.

So let get this clear Firefly is it your position that to state that it is likely that a man or a woman had a sexual problem that might required profession care is downgrading that person?

Oh let me also add that untreated emotional problems can be as bad as someone with a foot that is turning gangrenous and seeking treatment either for a gangrenous limb or an emotional driven problem that had shut down a health male sex life for ten years is not shameful in any way.
firefly
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 10:20 am
@BillRM,
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Second there seems something shameful in yours eyes in having an emotional problem that might call for profession treatments.

Absolutely untrue. There is nothing wrong, or at all shameful, about seeking treatment for any emotional or psychiatric problem. And I have made absolutely no statements that should have led you to that conclusion.

The problem in this case is that you are completely disregarding Comet83's statement of his friend's problem. Comet83 clearly says that his friend is having difficulty shifting his sex drive from pornography to an actual sexual partner.

That's not an "emotional problem", BillRM, let alone a "major mental problem" that requires only professional intervention.

You simply appear to be very uneducated regarding the possible adverse effects of long-term or excessive reliance on pornography when it comes to sexual arousal and functioning with an actual partner. And, because you refuse to accept that pornography can have such effects, you have arbitrarily decided that Comet83's friend has misidentified the source of his own problem. You are presuming that you understand him better than he does, or that Comet83 does.

You have latched onto the friend's 10 years of celibacy as indicating the real source of the problem--he is afraid of contracting HIV--and you further seem to have concluded that anyone who chooses to be celibate is suffering from a "major mental health problem". Sorry, being celibate by choice does not indicate a major mental health issue--unless being celibate is causing the person undue distress, and that is not an issue in this particular case. You are making a value judgment about celibacy, and for that reason, you are concluding that people who make such choices must be seriously disturbed. Celibacy is a valid way of protecting oneself from STDs--and also protecting oneself from betrayals by a sexual partner--the choice of celibacy in this case is not irrational, it does not indicate a psychiatric problem.

And Comet83's friend no longer wishes to be celibate. He is in a new relationship where he is already exposing himself to sexual contact with his partner. But, due to long term reliance on pornography for sexual arousal and stimulation, he is having difficulty finding that same level of arousal and stimulation with his partner. That is how both this man and Comet83 see the current problem, and there is no reason to discount their analysis of the situation. Pornography dependence can have such a result--as is evident from the links I've posted.

Comet83 asked for some help--links and books his friend can look at to better understand and deal with this type of problem.

Did you offer such books and links to address such a problem that stems from reliance on pornography?

No, instead you've decided that Comet83's friend is seriously emotionally disturbed, that he requires professional intervention, that Comet83 is trying to "rescue" him, and that Comet83 should dump him and get out of the relationship---completely ignoring the fact that Comet83 is not bothered by the current state of their sexual relations, and he is enjoying a relationship with someone he describes as "a really great guy". His friend is motivated to overcome the problem, and all Comet83 wants is some information on the problem that the friend can read.

If Comet83's friend discontinues all pornography use, as is suggested in the links I've posted, after a period of time he should find his sexual functioning and arousal with a partner considerably improved. His body and brain will re-program to a more natural state where they are no longer dependent on the more intense visual stimulation offered by pornography. In addition, by eliminating pornography, and masturbation, for a period of time, the friend's sex drive will be allowed to re-develop and increase in response to more natural internal physiological stimuli, and it can then be focused on an actual partner. Most sex therapists, in treating sexual dysfunctions, advise stopping all sexual activity during the initial stage of treatment, for similar reasons. In the case of Comet83 and his friend, since the dysfunction is connected to pornography dependence, the pornography use, and masturbation, should be stopped as the initial step.

If pornography discontinuation and cessation of masturbation does not solve the problem after a reasonable interval of time, or if Comet83's friend then begins experiencing undue anxiety about actual sexual contact, to an extent that it interferes with his sexual functioning, then he might consider consulting a professional for some help dealing with his anxiety. But self-help, by first eliminating the pornography as an interfering factor, would seem the most necessary and sensible initial step. If drugs or alcohol were interfering with sexual functioning, those substances would have to be similarly discontinued before any other issues with sexual functioning could be addressed, and it is no different when it comes to pornography .

For this individual, long term reliance on pornography has become an interfering factor in his sexual functioning with an actual partner. It is to his credit that he recognizes that and that he wants to do something about it. And it is to Comet83's credit that he has asked us for reading resources--links and books--so his friend can better understand and address this problem.



BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 11:19 am
@firefly,

BULLSHIT as anything wrong that can and did knocked out/suppress a healthy man sex drive, gay or straight man as that factor does not matter, for ten repeat ten years and he is only now trying to get back on track call for at least an examination by a mental health expert to see what treatments might be needed or call for to aid him in regaining a normal sex life.

In fact it does not even matter if he was only using porn as a coping tool because he associated sex with death or if porn is a large factor in his current problems either way he should be look at by someone who can give him guidance beyond the layman level.

I do not understand how anyone who has an IQ of your Firefly could be against the man seeking aid for dealing with his problems from an expert in human sexuality and the problems that can occur in that area of life.

Oh you are up on your high horse because you are assuming that he was a happy camper going without sex for ten years. Perhaps so but I do not think so especially when it seems to had been trigger by the death of a sexual partner from HIV!!!!!!!!!No sex is not a normal state of affairs or desirable state of affairs for most men or women gay or straight or bi it does not matter.

Once more I can only wonder what kind of life you are living Firefly to think otherwise.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 11:33 am
Hawkeye are you getting the feeling that this thread had open up indirectly more information about our friend Firefly?

In any case being asexual or at least celibate by choice that is not driven by emotional trauma is possible but it surely does not fit the story we was given here!!!!
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 11:45 am
@BillRM,
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Oh you are up on your high horse because you are assuming that he was a happy camper going without sex for ten years. Perhaps so but I do not think so especially when it seems to had been trigger by the death of a sexual partner from HIV!!!!!!!!!No sex is not a normal state of affairs or desirable state of affairs for most men or women gay or straight or bi it does not matter.


Who said this man went without sex for 10 years? He didn't--he simply went without a sexual partner for 10 years--he used pornography, and probably masturbation, for sexual stimulation, satisfaction, and release.

Who said he had a partner that died from HIV?

Your problem is that you have failed to understand the opening post of this thread and the nature of the current problem. In addition, you are distorting the actual information that Comet83 has given.

I'm interested in trying to help Comet83 and his friend address the problem mentioned in the opening post, and I have posted several links I hope they will find helpful.

You just seem to be trying to derail another thread, and you are trying to enlist Hawkeye's help in doing that, and I'm not interested in encouraging either of you to do that by continuing to respond to your posts.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 11:59 am
@firefly,
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Who said this man went without sex for 10 years? He didn't--he simply went without a sexual partner for 10 years--he used pornography, and probably masturbation, for sexual stimulation, satisfaction, and release.


Your idea of sex life may be masturbation but it is not the idea for most of us to say the least.

Such along with porn is a mean of coping with not having a sex life but is not a sex life.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 12:06 pm
@firefly,
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Who said he had a partner that died from HIV?


Oh sorry his partner only got HIV and may or may not had die of it as he just may had been lucky enough to need to live on anti-virus medication for the rest of his life with all their side effects.

No big deal to just have a partner come down with HIV instead of dying from it. LOL.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 12:29 pm
@firefly,
From the below our friend boyfriend old partner life expectancy if he came down with HIV in 2000 seem to be around 15 years.

You are right Firefly coming down with HIV is no big deal..............and could not had trigger his problems with having sex compare to evil porn watching.



http://journals.lww.com/jaids/Fulltext/2010/01010/Life_Expectancy_After_HIV_Diagnosis_Based_on.19.aspx

Average life expectancy after HIV diagnosis in 25 states increased from 10.5 years [95% confidence interval (CI): 10.4 to 10.6] to 22.5 years (95% CI: 22.2 to 22.7) from 1996 to 2005 (Table 2) and decreased with each increasing year of age at HIV diagnosis in 2005 (data not shown). Improvements in life expectancy were incremental each year except from 2000 to 2001, largely due to a decrease in life expectancy that year among females diagnosed with HIV infection. The largest 1-year increase was from 1996 to 1997 when HAART use was expanded. For each diagnosis year from 1997 to 2005, life expectancy was longer for females than for males and improved for both groups from 1996 to 2005 [12.6 (95% CI: 12.4 to 12.7) to 23.6 (95% CI: 23.0 to 24.2) years for females and 9.9 (95% CI: 9.8 to 10.0) to 22.0 (95% CI: 21.8 to 22.2) years for males] (Table 2).
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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:01 pm
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Do You Have a Problem with Porn?
by Wendy Maltz LCSW, DST & Larry Maltz LCSW

Porn is available anywhere, any time these days on the Internet, cable television, cell phones, iPods, and more. Unlike just a decade ago, it's often free and difficult to avoid. In fact, you can see more porn in a few minutes online than most people saw during their entire lifetime a generation ago. And today's porn offers a plethora of images that cater to many tastes and temperaments, from soft-core porn to things like bondage, violent sexual acts, and child sexual abuse. It also has the power to shape sexual interests and behaviors, and create negative consequence in people's emotional, physical, social, relationship, and spiritual lives like never before.

It's no wonder that more and more porn users are asking themselves, Do I have a problem with porn? Perhaps, you are one of them, or you may know someone who is.

A quick way to examine whether porn has become (or is becoming) a problem in your life is to ask yourself these five questions:

1. Is porn hurting my sex life with a partner or my chances of having a satisfying sex life with a partner?

There is no doubt that porn is a highly effective sexual stimulant. Watching it can turn you on and spice things up with a partner. But what you may not realize is that too much exposure, especially over a long period of time, can seriously harm your sexuality.

Porn can easily go from being something that can enhance a sexual experience to something that funnels sexual energy away from a partner or potential partner until IT becomes the primary object of your sexual desires. By misleading you about what is realistic and healthy (mutual pleasure, full-body sensuality, and love), porn can end up teaching you a self-centered, voyeuristic, genitally-focused approach to sex that can turn an intimate partner (or future intimate partner) off. And if you try to hide your porn use, the lying and secrecy will undermine the honesty, trust, respect, and closeness in your intimate relationship.


2. Is porn use decreasing my self-esteem and respect for others?

Porn isn't good for you if it makes you feel bad about yourself in the long run. Ted, a twenty-six year old former porn user, told us that he became disgusted with him self for getting off on porn, being so attached to it, and lying to others about what he was doing. I desired porn physically, but in my heart I knew it wasn't what I wanted to do, he said.

When you fantasize and act in sexual ways that go against what you value and want for yourself and for others, you end up conflicted and distressed. You may feel anxious, defensive, depressed, guilty, ashamed, and isolated. Porn use that causes you to be dishonest, deceitful, or hypocritical is obviously not good for you – the price is too high when porn costs you your integrity and healthy sense of connection with others.

3. Is using porn interfering with other parts of my life, such as doing my job well, studying for school, getting enough sleep, or spending time with my family?

While using porn may start out as little fantasy entertainment on the side, many people find themselves sucked in by the game-like nature of finding new and different images that turn them on. As a result, it can eat up increasing amounts of time with detrimental consequences. Charlie, a thirty-three year old computer specialist, recalls how time spent with porn hurt his career and relationships. I wasted huge tracks of time on porn and fell behind in my work. I was spending three to four hours a day on something that had no benefit to me as far as becoming a better person, gaining skills, understanding the world better, or enhancing my relationships with other people.

4. Has my porn use become addictive or compulsive?

Porn use can be highly addictive. Studies have found that regular exposure acts on your brain and body much like regular use of drugs or tobacco. Porn creates a triple feel-good cocktail it sexually excites, provides a fantasy escape, and creates a feeling of relaxation following orgasm. You may wonder how something that you don't actually ingest can alter your brain chemistry and physiology, but just because something enters your body through your eyes and ears and not your mouth, doesn't mean it's not getting in and doing damage. Regular porn users often report that in time they find themselves needing more of it and more graphic, risky, and intense images to get the desired effect. Some porn users experience unpleasant withdrawal symptoms, such as irritability and difficulty sleeping, when deprived of porn.

Signs of a porn addiction include craving porn intensely and persistently, being unable to control your use or stop, and continuing to use it despite your encountering serious problems with it. Bonnie, a former porn addict said, After a while, Internet porn took on a life of its own. Rather than me using it, it was controlling me. I lost the power to say no.

5. Is porn use leading to risky, dangerous, or illegal behaviors?

It's easy to lose perspective on what you're doing and risking when you're under the seductive spell of porn. A relationship with porn can become a living nightmare when it leads to the break-up of a relationship, loss of a job, rejection from your friends and family, or trouble with the law. Unfortunately, someone who is high on porn may not see these disasters lurking right around the corner, or they may fool themselves into thinking they're too smart to get in trouble. Rob, a recovering porn addict, said, 'Porn felt good in the moment, but then it just took me down. When I got busted for downloading child porn, it cost me everything I cherished' I lost my lovely wife, my two beautiful kids, a well-paying job, and a big beautiful house. Clever as I thought I was, I never saw it coming.'

A yes answer to any one of the five questions above can indicate a problem with porn and the need to take action to address it.

BREAKING AWAY FROM PORN As with other health concerns, the sooner you recognize problems and get help, the easier it is to recover. You have to acknowledge the problem, find support for making healthier choices, deal with the negative repercussions of past porn use, and learn new, healthier approaches to sexual relationships and intimacy. Our book, The Porn Trap: The Essential Guide to Overcoming Problems Caused by Pornography offers many ideas for accomplishing these goals and provides a roadmap to successful healing and long-term recovery.

The benefits of recovering from a harmful porn habit are well worth the effort. As Derek said, 'Now that I've stopped using porn, I feel better about myself as a human being. I'm able to be more present and connected with other people. I've stopped sexually objectifying everyone. For the first time in my life I feel here and sexually healthy.'

Wendy Maltz LCSW, DST, is an internationally recognized sex therapist, author, and lecturer. Larry Maltz LCSW is the executive director of Maltz Counseling Services in Eugene, Oregon. They are coauthors of The Porn Trap: The Essential Guide to Overcoming Problems Caused by Pornography (Collins, 2008). Their website is www.HealthySex.com
http://www.sexualhealth.com/article/read/love-relationships/sexual-addiction-compulsion/507/
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:10 pm
@firefly,
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By misleading you about what is realistic and healthy (mutual pleasure, full-body sensuality, and love)
That is the real problem the minders have with porn, that it tends to drive sexual relations in a direction that they dont want to go, that it tends to undercut their arguement that sex should be sweet "love making". "Healthy" sex can be great, but I would not want to make a diet of it....it gets pretty damn boring pretty quickly.

EDIT: once I gave up the habit of caring what others have decided for ME is healthy and dysfunctional for ME I feel so FREE! I should have given up my addiction to peer pressure years earlier.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:27 pm
@firefly,
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There is no doubt that porn is a highly effective sexual stimulant. Watching it can turn you on and spice things up with a partner. But what you may not realize is that too much exposure, especially over a long period of time, can seriously harm your sexuality.


Long period is that over 50 years or so since I first ran into porn as a young teenager?

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firefly
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:30 pm
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Does Watching Porn Affect Intimate Relationships? (Part One: Men)
By Robert Weiss LCSW, CSAT-S

There is a documented relationship between the amount of adult male porn use and spousal/partner interest. The more frequently he uses porn and/or the longer the periods of his viewing porn, can cause detachment from his partners, to the point where he is ‘dating’ porn and his need for a partner dwindles.

Increased and consistent porn use in heterosexual men will cause the following to occur:

1. Reduced interest in sex and physical intimacy with long-term spouse/partner.

2. Increased overall sexual objectification of strangers – checking them out more, seeing them visually more as body parts than as individuals with lives/roles, etc..

All of the above will return to the man’s baseline after he significantly reduces or eliminates his porn use and this is true for males in general, not specifically sex or porn addicts.

Robert Weiss is Founding Director of The Sexual Recovery Institute and Director of Sexual Disorders Services at The Ranch Treatment Center and Promises Treatment Centers. These centers serve individuals seeking sexual addiction treatment and porn addiction help.

http://blogs.psychcentral.com/sex/2011/05/does-watching-porn-affect-intimate-relationships-part-one-men/.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 01:43 pm
@firefly,
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. Reduced interest in sex and physical intimacy with long-term spouse/partner.
Only if they either dont tell their partner what they want thus dont get it or if the partner refuses. I still dont buy the assertion that anyone would choose to jack off to porn when they have a willing compatible real person to play with.

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Increased overall sexual objectification of strangers – checking them out more, seeing them visually more as body parts than as individuals with lives/roles, etc
not a problem

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All of the above will return to the man’s baseline after he significantly reduces or eliminates his porn use and this is true for males in general, not specifically sex or porn addicts
dont you love the how the bias is embedded in the terminology here?... the assumption that the before porn desires must be the right/proper/healthy ones. That is how this crowd rolls, they are subversive and they are more than willing to browbeat their subjects into submission.
BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 02:09 pm
@firefly,
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Regular porn users often report that in time they find themselves needing more of it and more graphic, risky, and intense images to get the desired effect. Some porn users experience unpleasant withdrawal symptoms, such as irritability and difficulty sleeping, when deprived of porn.


Hmm where did they come up with this?

If I stop drinking coffee I had withdrawal symptoms but never from not being able to view my collection of Naughty America videos.



BillRM
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 02:15 pm
@hawkeye10,
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I still dont buy the assertion that anyone would choose to jack off to porn when they have a willing compatible real person to play with.


Let see when wife is not in the mood or when she is away traveling then porn and the hand is a fall back means but no I would not pass up a session with my wife to jerk of to a Rachelle Steels porn video.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 21 Jul, 2011 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
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Hmm where did they come up with this


Actually she is correct, but Americans SHOULD try more graphic, risky and intense sex so that is not a problem, and if there are issues with taking away the porn then dont take away the porn...problem solved.
 

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