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Gay Marriage would Upend the Traditional Marriage

 
 
Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2011 04:18 pm
Because incest is not an issue in gay marriages -- that means it would be illogical not to allow marriages say between two sisters, two brothers, and even likes between a mother and a daughter. So should all incest related restrictions which are applicable to heterosexual marriages not apply to gay marriages?

If the above mentioned restrictions do not apply to gay marriages, then it would be discriminatory to keep applying those to heterosexual marriages. So the end result would be that any body can marry any body without any regard to any kind of relationship -- i.e. the whole concept of marriage would be upended.

My point is that gay marriages is a drastically different concept than traditional marriages. It is wrong to even call gay marriages "marriage." Could we call those by different name like SXLIANCE or some thing else?
 
contrex
 
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Reply Tue 28 Jun, 2011 11:59 pm
Your prejudice against gays has led you to make some very foolish leaps of logic.
agarwal-aarti
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 05:10 am
@contrex,
You wise guy it would not have killed you to point out exactly what part of the logic was foolish. By the way, I am not prejudiced against gays -- I just pointed out that a "gay alliance" is very different from a "traditional marriage" like a "marriage" is different from so many other relationships. The comment you made about me may very well apply to you and so I am redirecting that toward you.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:21 am
@agarwal-aarti,
agarwal-aarti wrote:
traditional marriages


which tradition are you referring to?

what is its origin?
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:29 am
What?

Drunk

The dictionary has updated it's definition of marriage....

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/marriage

perhaps so should you.
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:47 am
@agarwal-aarti,
It's obvious you have no understanding of logic.

Besides the fact that you're a homophobic bigot, there are laws against marrying direct blood relations, because there are great odds that any offspring will have birth defects.

Your belief about gay marriage is based on your religious beliefs, not human beliefs. Several states now allow gay marriage, and many more allow civil weddings for gays.
Oylok
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 05:28 pm
@agarwal-aarti,
agarwal-aarti wrote:

any body can marry any body


I hear the Indian Ocean and Atlantic Ocean wedded each other just outside Cape Town last week.

Scandalous!

I don't mind when bodies mix, but marriage...?
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parados
 
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Reply Wed 29 Jun, 2011 06:14 pm
@agarwal-aarti,
Let's start with your first statement....
Sex between 2 sisters, 2 brothers or a mother and a daughter is incest. Incest is ONLY not an issue as long as the persons involved are not related.

Incest has nothing to do with gay marriage so your conclusion that somehow gay marriage allows incest is not logical. Incest isn't an issue in heterosexual marriages so does that mean heterosexual marriage leads to incest? Your logic would imply the same conclusion.
Bella Dea
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 07:10 am
@parados,
But don't you know that allowing the gays to have relations will lead to sex with animals!?!

parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 07:18 am
@Bella Dea,
Everyone has relations. We are born with them.


We just can't have sex with our immediate relations or it's incest.
joefromchicago
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 08:27 am
@parados,
parados wrote:
Incest has nothing to do with gay marriage so your conclusion that somehow gay marriage allows incest is not logical.

I believe the reasoning here is that incest is prohibited because of the genetic risks posed to the children of incestuous unions. But since there can be no children born of an incestuous homosexual union, there would be no reason to prohibit such unions. And if homosexuals were allowed to enter into incestuous unions, it would be discriminatory to prevent heterosexuals from entering into such unions.

Or so the reasoning goes.

parados wrote:
Incest isn't an issue in heterosexual marriages so does that mean heterosexual marriage leads to incest? Your logic would imply the same conclusion.

Well, that doesn't make any sense at all.
Miller
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 08:29 am
@Bella Dea,
Bella Dea wrote:

But don't you know that allowing the gays to have relations will lead to sex with animals!?!


But would the animals be considered as relatives?
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agarwal-aarti
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 05:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
First of all, I would ask you to stay civil and not revert to name calling.
What you have written about incest -- that was the point of my original posting that gay marriage is very different from the heterosexual marriage. Incestous relationships are not allowed because that would cause problems with offsprings. But because there is no problem of incest in same sex relationships, it would be illogical not to allow marriages between close relatives of same sex.
After that, if gay marriages are at same level as heterosexual marriages, it would be discriminatory not to allow marriage between close relatives for heterosexuals as well. That is how it would upend traditional heterosexual marriages.
My point is that gay alliance is very different than a heterosexual marriage. So society should plan on calling gay alliances by a name different from "marriage."
ehBeth
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 05:51 pm
@agarwal-aarti,
agarwal-aarti wrote:
That is how it would upend traditional heterosexual marriages.


1. what is wrong with that upending?

2. what are you basing your definition of traditional on?
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Lustig Andrei
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 06:02 pm
@agarwal-aarti,
Why are you so preoccupied with incestuous relationships? Hmmmm?
parados
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 08:17 pm
@joefromchicago,
I realize that was probably the intent joe but offspring of incest is not exactly the same thing as incest, so I felt we should take the OP at his word.

He did ask where is logic was wrong.

But maybe it's just his thinking.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 10:08 pm
@Lustig Andrei,
Sounds like he's the result of one.
MontereyJack
 
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Reply Thu 30 Jun, 2011 11:53 pm
I'm not at all sure that incest is prohibited because the odds are higher that it can lead to defective offspring. For one thing, empirically it usually doesn't. For another, incest prohibitions existed for millenia before we had any conception of genetics. I think it's more due to moral repugnance--this is something close relatives just shouldn't do. And that in fact DOES apply to homosexual relations just as it does to heterosexual ones. A father shouldn't have sex with his son, just as he shouldn't have sex with his daughter. So the OP's thesis is wrong however you look at it. So his conclusions are wrong too.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 12:19 am
@MontereyJack,
MJ, As a matter of fact, you are spot on! It has been shown through DNA that King Tut's parents were siblings.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Fri 1 Jul, 2011 04:13 am
I think that the hidden message here is a slippery slope argument. If homosexuals are allowed to marry, soon, Jews will be allowed to marry. Maybe even, God forbid, Catholics. What's next, civil rights for blacks ? ! ? ! ?
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