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Nonsense, that which divides is divisive--there's nothing subjective about that. I would add the qualifier that it is an artificial division, based upon your ractist perception.

I'll second CdK's motion, Onyxelle has made a statement of personal belief and conduct worthy of praise and emulation.

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Noah The African wrote:

I honor their spirit by dishonoring a system that fueled their exploitation. That system was not slavery, but capitalism, which has an insatiable appetite for cheap sources of labor to fuel the profit and wealth of the elites. Bondage was simply a way of forcing people to work cheaply, but was not, in and off itself, the goal. The goal was profit maximization then and the goal is profit maximization now. The difference being is that people are not placed in bondage, but funneled into being exploited by removing other viable options for a decent survival that does not amount to selling yourself to owners of capital for a wage.

So what type of system would you have to replace capitalism Noah ?

More communism or socialism that ruined the lives, culture and economy of so many countries?

Your 'african' brothers here in the U.S. would be FAR worse off in a com/soc society where NO avenue to raise yourself up exists.

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Divisive in this nation is subjective to the race that is doing the interpretation. Division does not require both sides to depart from the other, but just one side the leave the other. Thus, there is certain rhetoric that makes white chose to depart, while blacks remain stationary, thus creating division. Most white people consider the truth of history as divisive, while black people simply embrace it as the truth that explains the present, given that the present is the creation of the past.

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Noah,

I do not consider the "truth" in history to be devisive. I consider your prejudice to be devisive. So much so that several have speculated that your aim is to generate such divisiveness and animosity toward blacks.

Regards.

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Before you comment on the history which created the present, you ought to study it. What you have posted in your threads has appeared to me as good evidence that when it comes to history, you're talkin' out your ass. You seem to apply some crude form of Marxian dialectic of the variety that holds that statements about history are mutable for ideological ends, which is, of course, nonsense, and dangerous nonsense at that. Now you want to re-define the word divisive based upon your dogmatic views. Craven comment that labelling yourself as Noah the African, and Onyxelle as Onyxelle the American is divisive. You come back with some silly remarks about white people "departing" from blacks. Apart from the ludicrous aspects of such a contention, you have not responded to what CdK was writing about, that you are labelling yourself and Onyxelle in a divisive manner. Your response about what is or is not divisive does not at all deal with what CdK was writing about. This is part and parcel with the responses you customarily make to people when they tear down your distortions of history and your economic fantasies. You have a lot to learn about history, about life, about economics--but you'll learn nothing about any of them so long as you are conditioned by a racist dogma. As has been pointed out to you so often, the poor white is as much an economic victim as the poor black. Yet you continue to insist on some vast, cartoonish conspiracy of whites to economically oppress blacks. Your dogma is nonsense; i hope it comforts you as your drift off to sleep at night, because it certainly serves no other useful purpose.

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huh?

Division is division, no matter who/what the cause. In a marriage, no matter how spouse A interprets it, if spouse B leaves....it is a division..

Whether I split 12 into 3 parts of 4 or 4 parts of 3, it's still 12 divided.

right?

what's subjective about either of those? why would it be any different on a national scale?

I know many black people that choose to 'depart' from the white race, based on their own beliefs - doesn't that make those black people the agent of division (and leave them divided from whites regardless of who departed?)

in addition...
Your posts, Noah, always serve to force the a2k populace to not think....but to dwell on the things that divide this nation on a very basic level...what is the point in that unless you offer a way to bring together?

I had to read your post like 6 times ..... I got a headache so I hope you understood what I just said.

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Fedral wrote:

I once held some very racist views (growing up in an Italian neighborhood of Newark N.J. will do that to you) and used to hate blacks, Puerto Ricans, Irish (they lived in the next neighborhood over) and the Poles.

It took my service in the Army to break me of that type of attitude. My Sergeant assigned me to 'buddy up' with a black soldier from Chicago who hated whites as much as I hated blacks. Everywhere one of us went, the other had to go. We shared a fighting position (foxhole), a tent, and we shared the lugging of the M-60 that we were the crew for. It took 6 months and 2 fistfights before we came to the realization that we had been raised exactly the same by our fathers and had ended up sharing their prejudice. It took us another 6 months before we realized that we were friends. I still write to him regularly (he stayed in the Army after I got out) and we remain friends.

Cool story Cool

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McGentrix wrote:

Checked out NFA's site and I noticed that black liberals are just as bad as white liberals and white conservatives believe that same things as black conservatives. Odd that.

<grins>

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Noah The African wrote:

My ancestors were Africans, primarily. Thus, emulation is the height of admiration and by emulating their culture, ways and beliefs I am demonstrating my admiration and appreciation for and of them. This is why I am NOAH THE AFRICAN and not onlyxelle THE AMERICAN.

You don't want to be an AMERICAN? Would you like to give up all the benefits you enjoy as an America? There are many oppressed people who would like to move here and enjoy the things you take for granted.

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He didnt say he didnt want to be an american - he said that he was not noah-the-american.

Imagine being a hungarian in novi sad. You're gonna want to be a serbian citizen - you were born there, after all, and you wanna go to school there, be able to build up pension rights while working, whatever. Nevertheless, you're still gonna be zoltan-the-hungarian there, not zoltan-the-serb. Nothing per se unreasonable in that.

There - somebody said something good about something noah said. <grins>

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nimh wrote:

He didnt say he didnt want to be an american - he said that he was not noah-the-american.

Imagine being a hungarian in novi sad. You're gonna want to be a serbian citizen - you were born there, after all, and you wanna go to school there, be able to build up pension rights while working, whatever. Nevertheless, you're still gonna be zoltan-the-hungarian there, not zoltan-the-serb. Nothing per se unreasonable in that.

There - somebody said something good about something noah said. <grins>

but were you sincere? Razz

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Your analogy is invalid, Nimh, because Noah rails against all that is American, and claims there is a conspiracy by white Americans to perpetrate or further an existing conspiracy to keep black people economically "oppressed." A more accurate analogy would be Zoltan actually being a Serb, but insisting that he is in fact Hungarian, and is due special consideration and treatement because of putative injuries done to Hungarians centuries ago, who may or may not have been members of his ancestral family.

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Wonder, if Noah the African lives in America, why he doesn't move out of this racist hell hole to Africa?

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Cause he probably believes this place belongs to him, as well, and he wants to somehow stake his claim on it - on his terms - even if he feels it doesn't want him?

... kinda like someone who tells his/her abusive partner - lookit, you're doing me wrong and you've always done me wrong, but this is my relationship, too, so I'm gonna stay - and keep telling you just how abusive you are!

(hehheh)

King of the analogies I am, tonight ... ;-)

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Setanta wrote:

Your analogy is invalid, Nimh, because Noah rails against all that is American, and claims there is a conspiracy by white Americans to perpetrate or further an existing conspiracy to keep black people economically "oppressed." A more accurate analogy would be Zoltan actually being a Serb, but insisting that he is in fact Hungarian, and is due special consideration and treatement because of putative injuries done to Hungarians centuries ago, who may or may not have been members of his ancestral family.

Eh ... messing up my analogy, you are <nods> :wink:

OK ... so, what about ... Zoltan is a Serb citizen, but he's a Hungarian - so far, so normal. "Being a Hungarian" here means, as with every minority around the place, claiming and cultivating a Hungarian ancestry that may or may not actually have been all that 'undiluted'.

He claims (and here we're getting more Kosovar than Hungarian) that the Serbs injured his (presumed) ancestors, and are in fact still conspiring to oppress him and the other Hungarians.

Should he then just piss off and go to Hungary, if all he can do is complain about the country he lives in?

Well, in Zoltan's case, we'd be prepared to send peacekeepers in to protect his right to stay in his place ... ;-)

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nimh,

You missed several removed posts. Noah was just insulting onyxelle. The gist of what he was trying to say is that because she doesn't agree with him she's a sell out. An "Uncle Tom". Which is absurd.

He was trying to say he was more true to his cultural roots, simply because she didn't agree with him.

And this is par for the course, anyone who doesn't identify themselves as black is a white supremacist if they don't agree with him and any black people who don't agree with him are "Uncle Toms".

You simply happened to catch the most mild way he has said this to her and he has said this more times than I can remember (including using other sexually explicit ad hominems).

I can't for the life of me understand what good you see in these tactics. The only explanation that I can think of is not having seen the context that helps understand what he's trying to say about onyxelle.

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Oh yeah, absolutely - i haven't read any of these five pages of posts here. From what I saw I understand that pretty much everyone thinks Noah's posts are utter nonsense, so I'm sure not going to read up on them all just to doublecheck that! ;-)

Nah, I was really just reacting on the juxtaposition of that last post of Noah's and Husker's and Slappy's responses ... and, as BPB noticed, doing so tongue firmly in cheek ... (Hello - does that abusive-relationship analogy really say anything good about the position he stakes out for himself? <grins>)

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