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Who is the most persecuted religion?

 
 
Foofie
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 06:28 pm
Oy gevalt (woe is me). Comparing Jews and Moslems is like adding apples and oranges. There are 14 million Jews in the world. There are a billion Moslems.

The antagonism against Moslems might reflect that a few have the willingness to blow themselves up for the cause of Jihad. Or, kill other Moslems for some inter-denominational rivalry? History also shows that Moslems have had real armies that attacked western armies. Moslems do not have a history of being scape-goated like Jews.

The only similarity between Jews and Moslems, regarding this topic, might be that the person who would be doing any persecuting might be content to believe all Semites are a potential menace to good white Gentiles of a Christian background, And, in the way of analogy, all cats look gray in the dark, meaning the person that finds a reason to hate Moslems, in another era might have found a reason to hate Jews. Small mindedness is fair to all targets, I believe.

maxdancona
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 06:41 pm
@Foofie,
I am not saying that Jews are the same as Muslims as far as cultures or histories.

I am saying that the hatred of Muslims is the same as the hatred of Jews. The alleged plot to subvert Western Democracies in a plot of world domination used to presented as a Jewish plot. Now we have the same narrative, but the plotters are now alleged to be Muslims.

What bugs me is that people who defame Muslims are the people who wouldn't imagine being "anti-semitic". But it is the same as antisemitism.

It is the same fear. The same public defamation. The same hateful things being said. The same suspicion and the same calls that discrimination is necessary to deal with the alleged threat to society posed by people seen as outsiders.

What is being done to Muslims in America is shocking and shameful. I feel strongly that this should be opposed for the same reason that any antisemitism should be opposed.
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BDV
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 06:53 pm
@Foofie,
So the lack of numbers would make the jewish people least persecuted! so why are they being spoken of most? Surely any christian or jew in any Islamic country tend not to be treated well by their hosts, yet any muslim in a christian country demand to be treated as an equal and tend to get their request granted. Yet their treatment of minority religions is deplorable.

Countries that treat minoritys very bad include: Egypy, Iraq, Saudi Arabia, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Malaysia, Indonesia, Turkey, Cyprus, Lebanon, Morocco, Nigeria, etc etc, these include destruction of minority religious sites, murder, unique laws that are religious based, prison sentences and even death for converts written into laws and a lack of laws or willingness to protect these minorities.

We have to get away from the guilt trip the Nazi put on the world and start looking at the real picture, persecution should not be accepted in any society, be it hindu, christian, muslim, jewish, budhist, etc etc
maxdancona
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 07:05 pm
@BDV,
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yet any muslim in a christian country


What do you mean by the term "christian country". Can you give me a list?
gungasnake
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 07:18 pm
@BDV,
Quote:
Who is the most persecuted religion?


Historically the answer to that question is Hinduism. The grief India has sustained from I-slam and slammites is totally unbelievable.
BDV
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 09:53 pm
@maxdancona,
i think you know that answer already
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BDV
 
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Sat 11 Jun, 2011 09:53 pm
@gungasnake,
tell more, i would be interested to hear more on this
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Setanta
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 03:36 am
@Foofie,
Cart before the horse, dummy. Jews were already hated--claims that they were subversive were just a post hoc embellishment.
Setanta
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 03:38 am
@Foofie,
You've demonstrated more than once how limited your reading is. The Romans didn't care what religion anyone professed, but everyone was required to publicly pay lip service to the civic religion. Jews quite often publicly refused to do so, and that seriously pissed of Roman administrators who were answerable to the Censor and the Senate for the observance.

They also didn't play nice with their neighbors. There are a series of letters from the Greeks and Jews of Alexandria to the Emperor Claudius, each community complaining about the other. For Roman administrators, the Jews were huge pain in the ass.
Foofie
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 07:05 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

You've demonstrated more than once how limited your reading is. The Romans didn't care what religion anyone professed, but everyone was required to publicly pay lip service to the civic religion. Jews quite often publicly refused to do so, and that seriously pissed of Roman administrators who were answerable to the Censor and the Senate for the observance.

They also didn't play nice with their neighbors. There are a series of letters from the Greeks and Jews of Alexandria to the Emperor Claudius, each community complaining about the other. For Roman administrators, the Jews were huge pain in the ass.


My posts on this topic are not based on my reading, but based on my personal experience in former lives. Regardless, yes, Jews were an ongoing annoyance to the Romans, including that Rabbi they called Jesus. However, I do not believe the Romans "hated" Jews for their being so annoying. It was just an adversarial relationship that the Romans had to prove that they were top dog, so to speak, a la that victory on the plateau (Masada) where the Jews committed suicide, rather than become Roman slaves. Jews hated the Romans, but the Romans just looked upon those Jews as a royal pain. I say this since the Jews committed suicide, rather than be under the hegemony of the hated Romans, and their culture/religion. Even today some Jews have strong emotions towards some groups. They are not as phlegmatic as many people think. The confusion might be caused by Jews not "acting out" their contempt. They are good at ignoring people. That is the civilized thing to do.
Foofie
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 07:14 pm
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

Cart before the horse, dummy. Jews were already hated--claims that they were subversive were just a post hoc embellishment.


Rather than use the word "embellishment," I would use "specious rationale," since hating Jews as Christ Killers did not have the same ooomph as in the Middle Ages. So, a literate, thinking American, in the first half of the 20th century, appeared more rational by saying Jews were enemies of capitalism, since a few Jews were Communists. The ability to generalize about Jews was the great intellectual achievement of many a Gentile in the first half of the 20th century.
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Arella Mae
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 07:15 pm
@Foofie,
Former lives?
Foofie
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 07:32 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

Former lives?


Why not? Could I really have acquired all my wisdom in one short lifetime?
Mame
 
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Sun 12 Jun, 2011 10:45 pm
@Foofie,
LOL
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Setanta
 
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Mon 13 Jun, 2011 02:18 am
@Foofie,
You just make this bullshit up as you go along. I responded as i did precisely because you alleged that your "knowledge" came from your reading.
Foofie
 
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Mon 13 Jun, 2011 09:37 am
@Setanta,
Setanta wrote:

You just make this bullshit up as you go along. I responded as i did precisely because you alleged that your "knowledge" came from your reading.


Regardless of why you "responded" as you did, in my opinion, you seem to have historically an adversarial relationship with more than just Foofie, and Foofie's posts.
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BillRM
 
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Tue 14 Jun, 2011 06:12 am
@BDV,
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why does christian persecution not make headlines!


Mostly because for the last 2000 years it been christians who had been doing the persecution.
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Arella Mae
 
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Tue 14 Jun, 2011 07:32 am
I doubt you will read a lot about Christians being persecuted in the US. In other countries? Most definitely. What people in the US consider Christian persecution is not what I'd call true persecution. Christians in the Middle East and other countries lives' are threatened and some are killed for their faith. Being called names because you are a Christian is hardly persecution in my way of thinking but unfortunately, plenty of "Christians" in the US think because someone calls them a name it is persecution.
Foofie
 
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Tue 14 Jun, 2011 02:35 pm
@Arella Mae,
Arella Mae wrote:

I doubt you will read a lot about Christians being persecuted in the US. In other countries? Most definitely. What people in the US consider Christian persecution is not what I'd call true persecution. Christians in the Middle East and other countries lives' are threatened and some are killed for their faith. Being called names because you are a Christian is hardly persecution in my way of thinking but unfortunately, plenty of "Christians" in the US think because someone calls them a name it is persecution.



It is persecution, since when a Christian is anti-abortion (aka, pro-life), the pro-abotionist folk might correlate the anti-abortion position to Christianity's valuing all life, and in effect denigrating Christians, and their faith.

The anti-Christian persecution is covert these days, in my opinion. The smugness comes through though, and the verbal denigrating is behind closed doors perhaps. Yet, the persecution is there, since the goal, I believe, from the self-rightous folks that are anti-Christian is to marginalize Christianity in society, so Christians do not count in the direction society takes. Disenfranchise is the correct word.

Why do you think the left-wing liberals have such a large constituency of gays, pro-abortion, socialists, assorted fringe sub-cultures? And, those constituencies do often look upon Christianity, and its unrelativistic morality, as a natural enemy to their agenda.

Arella Mae
 
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Tue 14 Jun, 2011 05:11 pm
@Foofie,
When it comes to being called nasty names or having your life threatened I'd take the nasty names, wouldn't you?
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