Who is the most persecuted religion?

@NealNealNeal,

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Those Gentiles who accept Jesus as the Messiah that the Old Testament spoke about are "grafted in".

That's Pauline doctrine. Paul was a liar (eg Acts 9 vs Acts 26, not appointed as a minister and witness on the road to Damascus).

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Jesus established a new covenant.

No, he confirmed the covenant.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
Daniel 9:27

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@Theo202,

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No, he confirmed the covenant.

He certainly did confirm the Covenant by saying; "For the whole Law is summed up in one commandment: “Love your neighbour as you love yourself.”

You cannot hate your neighbour who God has become and still say that you love God.

Matthew 22: 37-40; Jesus answered, “ ‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ This is the greatest and the most important commandment. The second most important commandment is like it: ‘Love your neighbour as you love yourself.’ The whole Law of Moses and the teachings of the prophets depend on these two commandments.”

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@Theo202,

Jesus fulfilled the covenant

Jesus promises that he will not remove one jot of a pen from the old covenant, that he has not come to abolish the Law.

But he also established a new covenant.
https://www.gotquestions.org/new-covenant.html
Jesus's new covenant is this:

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The New Covenant (or New Testament) is the promise that God makes with humanity that He will forgive sin and restore fellowship with those whose hearts are turned toward Him. Jesus Christ is the mediator of the New Covenant, and His death on the cross is the basis of the promise (Luke 22:20).

The New Testament is an add-on, not an abrogation or replacement. You are perfectly fine with trying to follow the Jewish Law. It just won't merit you anything.

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@bulmabriefs144,

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Jesus fulfilled the covenant

Worthless doctrine. Why are you ignoring Daniel when Jesus referred to that very verse?

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@Theo202,

Because most of Daniel is crap.

Daniel 1 - History of Daniel and his friends
Daniel 2- Nebuchadnezzar's Dream (actual prophecy of Christ's reign)
Daniel 3- Daniel's friends sent to a fiery furnace (God protects them)
Daniel 4- Nebuchadnezzar has a dream of a great tree to be cut down (his own kingdom); he repents after God forces him to eat grass like an ox
Daniel 5- Daniel tells Belshazzar "mene mene tekel parsin." He loses out to Darius.
Daniel 6- Darius kinda likes Daniel, but his advisers tell him that anyone who doesn't worship him as king should be put to death. God saves him from the den of lions. "So Daniel prospered during the reign of Darius and the reign of Cyrus the Persian."
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After this, it departs from the tone of history of a prophet, and spends the next several chapters making random prophecies. In other words, it goes from a group of prophecies in context to prophecies outside Daniel's histories and this time mostly by an angel.

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But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse!

Litmus test of a prophecy. If it sounds like crap, invokes angels or fantastical events, and defies what we know about the Messiah from the Gospels, here it goes. Into the trash.

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@Theo202,

But since you asked...

https://christianitybeliefs.org/end-times-deceptions/false-prophecy-list/

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MYTH: The 70th Week of Daniel occurs after a 1,986+ year time Gap.
TRUTH: Jesus fulfilled the 70th Week of Daniel after the 69th week. Duh! 😛

MYTH: The ‘covenant‘ in the 70 Weeks of Daniel prophecy represents the Antichrist making a peace covenant with Israel.
TRUTH: The 70th week of Daniel is about Jesus, who confirmed the New Covenant with His blood, which was shed for many for the remission of sins.

The concept of a 7-year tribulation is based on a future 70th week of Daniel, but since it’s been fulfilled by Jesus, it can’t apply to Antichrist. This destroys the foundation for the end times concepts of the 7 year tribulation, the pretribulation rapture, the abomination of desolation, and the need for a rebuilt Jewish temple.

MYTH: The ‘prince‘ in the 70 Weeks of Daniel prophecy is an end times Antichrist.
TRUTH: The ‘people of the prince‘ was the Roman army, who Jesus (Messiah the Prince) sent to desolate Jerusalem, the temple and the Jews in 70 A.D.

This invalidates that the prince is an Antichrist, so the foundation for the end times concepts of the 7 year tribulation, the pretribulation rapture, the need for a rebuilt Jewish temple, are ALL destroyed.

MYTH: The ‘abomination of desolation‘ happens when the Antichrist defiles a rebuilt Jewish temple.
TRUTH: Luke tells us that it represented the Roman army, which was an abomination to the Jews, who desolated Jerusalem, the temple and the Jews in 70 A.D.

MYTH: Daniel 10, 11 and 12 are about the end times Antichrist.
TRUTH: They give more details about the fulfillment of the 70 Weeks of Daniel and only pertain to the Jews and Jerusalem, which were desolated in 70 A.D.

This is what it says about the 70 weeks. There is no timeline delay. Christ fulfilled this. You just don't like the result!

You can wait until the end of time, and there will not be a 3rd Temple. This is the true third Temple.

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Yet a time is coming and has now come when the true worshipers will worship the Father in the Spirit and in truth, for they are the kind of worshipers the Father seeks.

You can worship in a subway station for all God cares. Now he might throw you a bone and build a physical temple, but that temple can be destroyed like any other building.

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@bulmabriefs144,

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This is what it says about the 70 weeks. There is no timeline delay. Christ fulfilled this. You just don't like the result!

No, it doesn't say "until the 70 weeks are fulfilled".

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.
Matthew 5:18

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@bulmabriefs144,

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Because most of Daniel is crap.

If it's mostly crap, then why was Daniel endorsed as a prophet?

When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)
Matthew 24:15

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@Theo202,

This and that are two different things. You're trying to twist this to screw with a perfectly fine prophecy because you want the result to point to end times. You are not reading the scripture without bias.

Jesus is not predicting end times there. He is saying that the Law will continue to exist. At no point did he mention 70 weeks here. And Jesus's ministry was 3 1/2 years. This whole Revelation 7 year thing is an attempt to distort Jesus as the Antichrist. No, everyone who is against the Christ is an antichrist.

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Dear children, this is the last hour; and as you have heard that the antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come. This is how we know it is the last hour.

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For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and wonders that would deceive even the elect, if that were possible.

Heaven and earth have not passed, but God's kingdom has been established. Yet you can still be punished under the Law. If you overeat, expect the consequences of indigestion or nausea.

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24 So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith. 25 Now that this faith has come, we are no longer under a guardian.

Or to be more precise, we still have the consequences of the law, but now Christ is our guardian.

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@Theo202,

Lemme rephrase.

I went through much of the Bible when I made my Aiken Abridged Bible. My aim was to sort out any garbage and toss it in the trash. In particular, I have no use for psychedelic imagery. Hallucinations are the result of a diseased mind. And so, I only focused on prophetic text that (a) was clear, (b) appears likely to come true/has come true already as a result of a true prediction, and (c) does not distort the nature of God. I also got rid of the bulk of the Psalms which basically struck me as "Lord punish our enemies." And I found that Proverbs could be repurposed entirely by cutting it to just over 9 chapters. There was a central idea about Lady Wisdom, that got hijacked with "listen my son" sayings. It was clearly text about Lady Wisdom but they were trying to bury this aspect of God.

Some of Ezekiel and some of Daniel, I cut for at least (a), and sometimes (b). But Revelation suffered from all three, so I expunged it entirely.
There was no place for Revelation in my book. It turns Jesus and God into monsters, and was clearly written by Satan himself, impersonating God and prophetic angels. As for Daniel, parts of it were clearly after a logical stopping point, and seemed to be tacked on after an event. False prophecy, prophecy that is added later to self-fulfill, is not edifying. If something seems like it was written on crack, if it declares that angels told it, and if it doesn't seem relevant to God's plan of salvation, screw it. Prophecies of history were particularly of no use to me. I focused on the covenant prophecies, all of which were fulfilled in Christ.

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@bulmabriefs144,

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This and that are two different things. You're trying to twist this to screw with a perfectly fine prophecy because you want the result to point to end times.

You don't know what you're talking about. You said that "Jesus fulfilled the covenant", but all you've got to support that is a claim from christianitybeliefs.com that "Jesus fulfilled the 70th Week of Daniel".

The real issue here is that Christianity can't reconcile the Messiah's endorsement of the law with Paul's deprecation of it, so Christians have to argue that somehow "all has been fulfilled".

Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;
Colossions 2:14

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@The Anointed,

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He certainly did confirm the Covenant by saying; "For the whole Law is summed up in one commandment: “Love your neighbour as you love yourself.”

No, that was Paul, not Jesus. You quoted Matthew 22: 37-40 yourself, which doesn't omit the greatest commandment like Paul does.

For all the law is fulfilled in one word, [even] in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Galatians 5:14

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You cannot hate your neighbour who God has become and still say that you love God.

Paul said nothing about your neighbour becoming "God".

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@Theo202,

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Paul said nothing about your neighbour becoming "God".

Of course Paul didn't.

I realise that you don't have the intelligence to comprehend that which you read, but even a child, could not read the words; "You cannot hate your neighbour '[b]WHO GOD HAS BECOME'[/b] and still say that you love God." and believe as you do, that what was said here was; "You cannot hate your "NEIGHBOUR WHO HAS BECOME GOD".

You poor blind apostle hating child.

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"Who is the most persecuted religion?"

A religion isn't a person. The question should either ask, "What is the most persecuted religion?" or "Who are the most persecuted religious believers?"

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@Theo202,

Yes, and?

What's your point?

I am a postmillennialist, who understands that the Antichrists (plural) have been plaguing us for centuries. "Jesus can't be the Messiah because there isn't worldwide peace." No there isn't worldwide peace because the spirit of disharmony (and false harmony, e.g. control cults and peaceful-looking dictators) has influenced this world, paving over what Christ built. You see the reality of this on the US dollar, only Masons are part of those paving (but nothing can really pave the last of Providence). The Pope of the Catholic Church, the rabbis, secular world leaders, globalists and socialists, all of these are the Antichrists.

Jesus fulfilled his covenant with us. This covenant of forgiveness is part of a church and kingdom that will last forever. Dictators will come and go, trying to seize power. But harder they try, the worse they fail. Hitler? The height of his excesses only lasted something like six years. And most dictatorships nowadays fall within fifty years. The Babylonian and Persian Empires oppressed people for centuries, but their days are over. Our sins are forgiven, and we no longer have fear of death. That in turn empowers us not to put up with crap. Meanwhile, Jesus himself causes the internal ruin of these systems through the sheer decency of humanity. These kingdoms lasted so long because the majority of people liked to hurt each other. Now the majority are at least not so evil that they kill puppies for fun, and not so heartless that they cooperate with villainy against others, when they see the same sort of thing can be done to them. What was allowing these empires to continue was two things, God allowing them to retain greatness, so long as they had humility before God, and the majority of the world being evil. But there was a seed of basic decency that like yeast infecting wheat, the entire loaf became leavened with basic kindness. Today, the antisocial population control nutters and authoritarians are outnumbered by people who do their work, are good stewards of civil culture and take cate of the Earth. The meek have inherited the Earth. The strong try to rule absolutely, but quickly find out that the will of the public is completely necessary to rule. Once 51% hate you, your days are numbered.

Forgiveness of sins is the basis for the kingdom and the temple that God has built. Not worship of idols, but trust in God, without all of this...

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To love God, is to be part of his kingdom. Yet God's kingdom is like the Sukkot tent, it includes the:

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Citrus is shaped like a heart, it symbolizes the driving force behind all of our actions.

The date palm, the fruit has a good taste, but no smell. It symbolizes someone with knowledge of the Torah but no good deeds.

The myrtle has a wonderful smell, this symbolizes the good deeds, but not knowledge of the Torah.

The willow branch has neither good taste or smell. This symbolizes someone who has neither good deeds or knowledge.

The wicked and the good live together in God's kingdom.

There are all types of people in this world, and God builds a tent for them to live in. This tent has the sky as its canopy, and the Earth as its floor.

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@The Anointed,

Guys, calm down. This is like the fourth thread you two have been nasty to each other, and they tend to close.

I'd say this to Theo, but he doesn't listen to anything I say.

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@Theo202,

You realize Paul literally quoted Jesus here, and you accuse him of omitting something. The second is like unto it. When you love your neighbor as yourself, you love God with your heart soul body strength. This greatest commandment is not two commandments. It's the sams commandment. Love of God is not some abstract, it's being able to show this from our treatment of humanity.

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@bulmabriefs144,

It's called lying by omission. The point is that Jesus endorsed the law but Paul deprecated it. The greatest commandment to love YHWH is from the "handwritten" Torah that Paul said was nailed to the cross (as distinguished from the commandments that were set in stone).

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When you love your neighbor as yourself, you love God with your heart soul body strength.

That's the religion of man. The doctrine most probably originated with Hillel in Babylon:

"What is hateful to you, do not do to your neighbor. That is the whole Torah; the rest is the explanation of this—go and study it!" ~ Hillel

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This greatest commandment is not two commandments. It's the sams commandment.

Bollocks. Things that are alike are not necessarily the same.

And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
Matthew 22:39

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@hightor,

Persons are irrelevant.

For YHWH ... regardeth not persons, nor taketh reward:
Duteronomy 10:17

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@The Anointed,

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I realise that you don't have the intelligence to comprehend that which you read

Oh, I comprehend it just fine. It's the empty rant of a Pauline apologist who can't deal with the fact that Paul lied about being appointed as a minister and witness on the road to Damascus.

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