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Is Wiener's wiener a career killer?

 
 
H2O MAN
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 02:14 pm
@Fido,


You got this part right.

The purpose of Obama's recession is to take advantage of people and push them into poverty.


However, Obama targeted the middle class / working class and he is pushing them into poverty.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:02 pm
@farmerman,
farmerman wrote:

Quote:
Does it count if he lies to the citizens of America,
Legally it doesnt count. No more than Newt or Bush telling us that our economy fundamentals are "sound".
Its all a matter under wht conditions the lies are spoken.
I say he should resign but for no other reason than weve lost faith with him, not for any trumped up "possible" ethis violation cause their aint one and you know it.


That's kind of interesting....lies about sex taken more seriously than really big lies about the matter of government.

Perhaps they are so common they are no longer seen as lies?
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:14 pm
@dlowan,
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That's kind of interesting....lies about sex taken more seriously than really big lies about the matter of government.

Perhaps they are so common they are no longer seen as lies?
I have been asserting forever that American sense of priorities tend to be whacked.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:20 pm
@dlowan,
If he admits that he LIES,
then by what reasoning shoud we believe him in the future ?
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:21 pm
@dlowan,
Re your first post, I don't know. I called him a putz on the other thread for his stupidity and still agree with myself on that. I'm generally not for knocking people out of government or politics for sexual adventures, whatever side of the political aisle they hang out in or yell at others from. I am sort of rabid about Berlusconi (Signor Pinocchio to me), but more for his planting of his posse in the parliament than for having one.

Usually - as has been discussed all over the place - people are knocked out by legal bits, and he could be too. Using his office computer and phone? That seems plain old self destructive, if so, perhaps mixed with arrogant. Or maybe not, depending on how that was paid for. Trying to get a porn person to modify her story, if so? Dummie. I agree with Kicky on all his points.

Oh, and I think his name is Weiner, and have no idea how he pronounces it.
I'm also rather taken by who married him and his wife and who his wife works for. Circle game.

We could start a non partisan politiciansintrouble who perform marriage ceremonies firm.

Re lies about sex compared with lies about government, good point.
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:31 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
OmSigDAVID wrote:

If he admits that he LIES,
then by what reasoning shoud we believe him in the future ?


Problematic indeed.....

But should we be more inclined to believe politicians who we know to be lying but who never admit it?

I think we swallow many lies on the basis of "that's just politics" and then strain at the relative gnat of lies about legal if nutty sexual activity

One wonders what makes so many humans take really dumb risks about sex

Maybe it turns them on?

Whom amongst us will cast the first stone?

I'd be lying if I said I'd never done anything dumb in relation to sex

dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:31 pm
@ossobuco,
I don't know either

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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:32 pm
@ossobuco,
ossobuco wrote:
Re your first post, I don't know. I called him a putz on the other thread for his stupidity and still agree with myself on that. I'm generally not for knocking people out of government or politics for sexual adventures, whatever side of the political aisle they hang out in or yell at others from. I am sort of rabid about Berlusconi (Signor Pinocchio to me), but more for his planting of his posse in the parliament than for having one.

Usually - as has been discussed all over the place - people are knocked out by legal bits, and he could be too. Using his office computer and phone? That seems plain old self destructive, if so, perhaps mixed with arrogant. Or maybe not, depending on how that was paid for. Trying to get a porn person to modify her story, if so? Dummie. I agree with Kicky on all his points.



Oh, and I think his name is Weiner, and have no idea how he pronounces it.
Maybe he puts the accent on the last syllable, u thinK ??
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:38 pm
@ossobuco,
osso wrote,
Quote:
Oh, and I think his name is Weiner, and have no idea how he pronounces it.


Maybe, "veiner?"
ossobuco
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:40 pm
@cicerone imposter,
Well, that's how I'd think of saying it, but I don't watch tv - and I also call Walter Hinteler Wall-ter.

oh, news - complications ensue:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/08/anthony-weiner-wife-pregnant_n_873429.html
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 03:53 pm
@dlowan,
OmSigDAVID wrote:
If he admits that he LIES,
then by what reasoning shoud we believe him in the future ?




dlowan wrote:
Problematic indeed.....
I imagine that he 'd agree with u.



dlowan wrote:
But should we be more inclined to believe politicians who we know to be lying but who never admit it?
Part of the population AGREED with him and believed what he said, before he made a fool of himself.
NOW, to say that u agree with him is like to say that u agree with a crazy man.



dlowan wrote:
I think we swallow many lies on the basis of "that's just politics"
and then strain at the relative gnat of lies about legal if nutty sexual activity
His conscious choices impugned his judgment, in front of everyone.



dlowan wrote:
One wonders what makes so many humans take really dumb risks about sex
One does INDEED!


dlowan wrote:
Maybe it turns them on?
Chances are.




dlowan wrote:
Whom amongst us will cast the first stone?
Probably the media; then the pundits, after that: his comrades in Congress.




dlowan wrote:
I'd be lying if I said I'd never done anything dumb in relation to sex
Did u put at risk as much as he did ?
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 04:01 pm
For once I would love to see a politician with not only a penis and balls but a back bone.

One that would state that any sexual behaviors or misbehaviors involving legal consensus sex between adults cybersex or otherwise is a matter that only my wife have a right to demand answers from me.

My private life as is and as should be for all Americans is not an area that I have any obligations to answer to other then my conscious, my god and in this case my wife.

I am not going to address any issues around my private life beyond that.
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dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 04:26 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
It's silly to say that lying about one thing makes everything they say a lie

Thats just black and white thinking

Nah, I don't take such big risks....but he seems a larger than life character

I agree the lying is a major problem, I guess I am more compassionate than you seem to be about dumb behaviour.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 04:44 pm
@dlowan,
Most of us lie on one thing or another; if it doesn't hurt anyone else, I don't know what the problem is.

Moral judgements is a dangerous game to play.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 05:20 pm
@dlowan,
dlowan wrote:
It's silly to say that lying about one thing makes everything they say a lie
I did not say that,
but he lost his credibility.

That is not to say that it is IMPOSSIBLE for him to tell the truth.
Its just that u cannot tell from his CHARACTER when he is DOING it.


dlowan wrote:
Thats just black and white thinking
binary


dlowan wrote:
Nah, I don't take such big risks....but he seems a larger than life character

I agree the lying is a major problem, I guess I am more compassionate than you seem to be about dumb behaviour.
cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 05:30 pm
@OmSigDAVID,
On the same token, most people do not know when anybody they know is lying.

Do you believe everybody always tells the truth?

Most people do not trust the government or car salesmen, but we still vote them into office, and buy cars from car salesmen.

Do they lie? Yes. We each have our own way to judge politicians and car salesmen. We all "draw the line" in so many subjective ways, because most understand "that's what they do." We all draw our judgement on what we deem is important or not important, and it's usually not based only on their lies.
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jcboy
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 06:11 pm
I am extremely disappointed in Weiner (just can't stand Dems that act like this, America needs you so why do this crap? Clinton, Spitzer, and Weiner all could lead this country to the heights of greatness, yet they chose cheap thrill over their duties), but pictures of Weiner's wiener were where they should not have been, David Vitter's wiener was actually in places it shouldn't have been!!!!
dlowan
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 06:23 pm
@jcboy,
jcboy wrote:

I am extremely disappointed in Weiner (just can't stand Dems that act like this, America needs you so why do this crap? Clinton, Spitzer, and Weiner all could lead this country to the heights of greatness, yet they chose cheap thrill over their duties), but pictures of Weiner's wiener were where they should not have been, David Vitter's wiener was actually in places it shouldn't have been!!!!


Nobody has responded to my speculation that the man has been scarred by his name.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 06:31 pm
@dlowan,
Well he got elected to our Congress; rose to a position of prominence in the Democrat party caucus; and positioned himself as the likely successor to Mayor Bloomberg of New York .... all with that name. The evidence doesn't appear to be with you.

I'll agree the juxtaposition of his name with his recent behavior and his repeated (and somewhat detailed) lies about it do resonate in a probably harmful way. However, it is a stretch to blame that on the name - he made himself ridiculous by his actions and subsequent denials.

I also believe the significance of his lies has more to do with his reactions when his self interest conflicted with his public response to a matter that called his judgment into question than it does the sexual aspect of things. Our media is quick to make hay of these things and apparently it sells. What restraing governed them in an earlier time was lost during the Nixon era when his opponents went after him by every means available. It set a new and, sadly, lasting standard/
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 8 Jun, 2011 06:32 pm
@dlowan,
Actually, you've got his name spelled wrong in your thread title. It's Weiner, which should be pronounced "whiner," not "weener."
 

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