parados
 
  2  
Mon 5 May, 2014 09:52 am
@coldjoint,
Yes, you are. You just don't want to admit that you hate the US Constitution and the rights granted under it. Why else would you be trying to restrict those rights?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Mon 5 May, 2014 10:14 am
@parados,
Quote:
Why else would you be trying to restrict those rights?


I am not restricting anything. It is the Obama administration pulling all the strings. They can pull strings but not my chain and others. You keep up the narrative that I and others do not give one **** about.

I will continue to show how you defend lawlessness because it suits your needs. And the needs of progressive control freaks and their double standards and all around bullshit.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Mon 5 May, 2014 08:32 pm
https://scontent-b-dfw.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash4/t1.0-9/10322807_10152095334070197_2137170098069669927_n.jpg
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 06:43 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:

In this case no. And you know that. Are you arguing that someone that takes the fifth is innocent? If I can't say guilty, you can't say innocent. You can't have it both ways.


So you **** on presumption of innocence, due process, equal access, protection against forced providing of evidence against oneself, jury of peers ..... If you don't like the Constitution, move to Russia or Iran.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 06:45 am
@parados,
Quote:
So. You are saying you never said anyone who pled the fifth must be guilty of something or hiding a crime?


Only if your name is Obama. Accusation is guilt. Left is right. War is Peace.
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bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 06:49 am
@coldjoint,
Bullshit! I vote Democratic because I'm a Republican who hasn't been given a Republican to vote for since 2001. Back up anyone of those claims in your little cartoon. You have the choice to smoke tobacco. Its your right. But you aren't allowed to smoke it around me. I've had a smoker's cancer removed less than two years ago. From second hand smoke. I've never smoked in my life. You can go to any school you'd like, its your right. Etc.
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parados
 
  2  
Tue 6 May, 2014 06:54 am
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Quote:
Why else would you be trying to restrict those rights?


I am not restricting anything. It is the Obama administration pulling all the strings. They can pull strings but not my chain and others. You keep up the narrative that I and others do not give one **** about.
Of course you don't give a **** about the US Constitution. It's obvious in your posts. You think pleading the fifth is evidence of guilt which shows you don't give a **** about the Constitution. You think impeachment should occur without evidence of a high crime which shows you don't give a **** about the Constitution. You think patriots are people who arm themselves and violate court orders while threatening government officials which shows you don't give a **** about the Constitution or the country. You think voting should be restricted which shows you don't give a **** about the Constitution.

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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 6 May, 2014 07:26 am

The Facts About The Koch Brothers

1. The Kochs want to abolish Social Security.

“In 1980, David Koch ran in and funded a presidential campaign that called Social Security “The Ultimate Pyramid Scheme” and promised to abolish and replace it.” Read more.

2. The Kochs want to eliminate minimum wage laws.

“According to Charles Koch, the U.S. needs to get rid of the minimum wage, which he counts as a major obstacle to economic growth.” Read more.

3. The Kochs are against extending emergency unemployment benefits.

“It causes employers to face higher taxes, too, which discourages them from hiring new employees.” Read more.

4. The Kochs spent $400 million on misleading attack ads in the last election cycle.

via Republic Report

“A labyrinth of tax-exempt groups and limited-liability companies helps mask the sources of the money, much of which went to voter mobilization and television ads attacking President Obama and congressional Democrats, according to tax filings and campaign finance reports.” Read more.

5. The Kochs want to put insurance companies back in charge of your health care.

“It articulated a take-no-prisoners legislative strategy that had long percolated in conservative circles: that Republicans could derail the health care overhaul if conservative lawmakers were willing to push fellow Republicans — including their cautious leaders — into cutting off financing for the entire federal government. … The billionaire Koch brothers, Charles and David, have been deeply involved with financing the overall effort. A group linked to the Kochs, Freedom Partners Chamber of Commerce, disbursed more than $200 million last year to nonprofit organizations involved in the fight.” Read more.

6. The Kochs are trying to dismantle our public education system.

“National advocacy groups powered by the Koch brothers and other conservative megadonors have found a new cause ripe with political promise… Push to expand school choice by offering parents tax credits or vouchers to help pay tuition at private and religious schools. Next, rally the troops to abolish the U.S. Department of Education. Then it’s on to eliminating teacher tenure.” Read more.

7. The Kochs want to dismantle Medicare as we know it.

“The Ryan plan to eliminate traditional Medicare was described in the media as a ‘Tea Party proposal.’ But it would be more accurate to call it a ‘Koch proposal,’ an ideological scheme to realize long-standing ultra-right hopes to privatize and radically shrink a major national social program.” Read more.

8. The Kochs are against measures that would reduce the gap between the wages women and men earn for the same work.

“IWF-affiliated writers have argued that the gender gap in income exists because of women’s greater demand for flexibility, fewer hours, and less travel in their careers, rather than because of sexism.” Read more.

9. The Kochs want even more tax breaks for themselves.

“They are known for bankrolling conservative, Libertarian and Tea Party causes and became poster boys for corporate tax reform last year when an Obama Administration official suggested Koch is organized as an S Corp. and so pays no corporate level taxes.” Read more.

UPDATE: The Kochs have issued a statement disputing the claim made by the official. The Kochs have supported the Ryan budget, which provides tax cuts for the wealthy and protects taxpayer subsidies for big businesses and oil companies.
kochs_unionmembers

via The New Republic

10. The Kochs made improper payments to win contracts in Africa, India and the Middle East. And they sold millions of dollars of equipment to Iran, a state sponsor of terrorism.

“Internal company records show that Koch Industries used its foreign subsidiary to sidestep a U.S. trade ban barring American companies from selling materials to Iran. Koch-Glitsch offices in Germany and Italy continued selling to Iran until as recently as 2007, the records show.” Read more.

11. The Kochs lobbied against recognition of formaldehyde as a cancer-causing carcinogen because it might be bad for their business.

“A prominent philanthropist, cancer survivor, and American businessman, David Koch, has given millions to the cause of cancer research, while his company—Koch Industries—has lobbied against formal recognition of formaldehyde as a carcinogen, The New Yorker reported in a piece published today.” Read more.

12. The Kochs rank as one of America’s most toxic air polluters.

13.The Kochs have received over $88 million in government subsidies.

14. The Kochs have admitted they have “a radical philosophy.”

“Charles Koch seems to have approached both business and politics with the deliberation of an engineer. ‘To bring about social change,’ he told Doherty, requires ‘a strategy’ that is ‘vertically and horizontally integrated,’ spanning ‘from idea creation to policy development to education to grassroots organizations to lobbying to litigation to political action.’ The project, he admitted, was extremely ambitious. ‘We have a radical philosophy,’ he said.” Read more.

http://www.reid.senate.gov/koch-facts#.U0AZsa1dUi4

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10024781021#post14

Think what this means in terms of what the GOP has been doing. They all need to be voted out of office at the local, state and federal level. To claim both parties are doing the same, belies the path of the money being put out by the Koches. And the intent of each legislative action put forward by ALEC and the GOP.

You Better Believe It that Fox did the Koch brothers' bidding. They took up days and made this grifter's story international news and took the public eye off the truths Harry spoke.

When people start the routine that Democrats aren't fighting back, it's not true. At times the only air time we get is CSPAN video of a person speaking and putting in the record the truth of those who need a voice, to an empty house as the GOP boycotts the nation's needs.

We don't own the media, the Koch brothers do, and Americans have been played once again. Most of DU has completely forgotten in the Bundy fuss what Reid said and why they are gunning for him in his own backyard.

We have to think several steps ahead to get ahead of the ubiquitous GOPropaganda. It comes in many forms, all made to fit any demographic, and that includes progressives and liberals who don't think about the results of what they doing.
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Advocate
 
  3  
Tue 6 May, 2014 10:16 am
@coldjoint,
You might be more persuasive were you not so humorless.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 10:32 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
You might be more persuasive were you not so humorless.


Talk to Bob about that. The guy is delusional.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 04:41 pm
http://upload.democraticunderground.com/imgs/2014/140506-republican-insanity-over-obamacare-reaches-inevitable-conclusion.jpg
cicerone imposter
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 04:46 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
It isn't surprising to me that the GOP continues to show they have no common sense, and their ability at rational thinking has been lost.

I just wonder why the more intelligent of the conservatives don't speak up against these banal statements from their representatives.
Advocate
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 05:27 pm
@cicerone imposter,
I am convinced that Republicans (even intelligent ones) are willful liars. I am sure that you, like me, have received hundreds of obviously hoax emails vilifying liberals. One rarely meets a Republican who would have any compunction at forwarding this crap.
Baldimo
 
  0  
Tue 6 May, 2014 07:28 pm
@Advocate,
You wanna talk about willful liars? How about the lie that opposition to Obama is based on racism. That one has got to be the biggest lie of them all. Oh wait, how about "If you like your insurance you can keep your insurance". Wait I have another one "We have to pass the bill to know what's in it". There was also the line of "The While House had nothing to do with the Fast and Furious gun program." Only to have the White House place Administrative Privilege over the information pertaining to FF. Willful liars indeed.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 08:28 pm
@Advocate,
Quote:

Re: coldjoint (Post 5655888)
You might be more persuasive were you not so humorless.


And facts. Don't forget the facts. cowflop would be more pervasive if he served up a fact or two.
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 08:32 pm
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Re: Advocate (Post 5656255)
Quote:

You might be more persuasive were you not so humorless.



Talk to Bob about that. The guy is delusional.


I know, posting fact and corroboration seems delusional to you, putz, but what the hay, what the **** do you know?
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bobsal u1553115
 
  2  
Tue 6 May, 2014 08:33 pm
@Baldimo,
Always got to be about you. Grow up.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 08:45 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
And facts. Don't forget the facts


Why do you ignore them?
bobsal u1553115
 
  1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 08:51 pm
http://media.miamiherald.com/smedia/2014/04/12/18/37/bj2io.Em.56.jpeg

Charlie Crist: Bigots are a ‘big reason’ I left GOP

http://www.miamiherald.com/2014/05/06/4101694/charlie-crist-some-in-gop-bash.html

By Marc Caputo
[email protected]

Democrat Charlie Crist is offering up a new and inflammatory reason he left the GOP: Too many Republicans oppose President Obama because he’s black.

Crist made the remarks Tuesday in an interview with Fusion’s Jorge Ramos that instantly drew rebukes from Republicans who said the party-switching former governor was playing the race card.

But Crist said the bigotry against Obama was a “big reason” for his decision to leave the party.

“I couldn’t be consistent with myself and my core beliefs, and stay with a party that was so unfriendly toward the African-American president, I’ll just go there,” Crist said. “I was a Republican and I saw the activists and what they were doing, it was intolerable to me.”

Ramos said Crist left the GOP to run as an independent because he was losing the 2010 Senate Republican primary to Marco Rubio. But Crist denied it.

Crist has made race an on-again and off-again theme as he campaigns for his old job back as a Democrat, his third party affiliation. When he left the GOP four years ago, he didn’t mention race.

“Being a flip-flopper is bad enough, but playing the race card to win over voters is pitiful,” said Izzy Santa, Republican National Committee spokeswoman.

Crist, saying he was “liberated as a Democrat,” also bashed the GOP for being too inflexible and for appearing to be “anti-women, anti-immigrant, anti-minority, [and] anti-gay.”

Black voters are particularly important to Crist. They comprise 28 percent of the 4.1 million active registered Democrats in Florida, and he still has to beat former state Sen. Nan Rich in a party primary before facing Gov. Rick Scott.

In a general election, black voters are key for Democrats. Along with Hispanics, African-American voters have disproportionately stayed home during midterm elections, allowing more Republican-leaning white voters to dominate and elect GOP office holders. Black and Hispanic voters each account for about 14 percent of all active registered voters.

Crist has generally good relationships with black voters and leaders. He probably had the highest proportion of African-American support of any Republican when he won the governor’s office in 2006 as a Republican. As governor, Crist championed civil rights causes, opposed racial language in the official state song and was called Florida’s “first black governor” by some African-American lawmakers.

In standing with Obama to support the stimulus package in 2009, Crist won a measure of support from black voters but also earned the enmity of the GOP. In 2012, Crist campaign for Obama and boosted his profile further with black voters.

But Crist’s decision to run as an independent, which cost Democrat Kendrick Meek votes in the 2010 Senate race, left some African-American leaders upset with the former governor.

Crist’s comments to Fusion weren’t the first time he used racial imagery.

In February, while plugging his new book The Party’s Over on Comedy Central’s “Colbert Report,” Crist said some Republicans opposed Obama’s stimulus act in 2009 because he was “not just a Democrat, an African-American.”

“Oh, you’re not going to play the race card,” Colbert replied.

“I’m not going to play it, no,” Crist responded.

“You just did,” Colbert said. “Would you like to pick it up again and put it in your pocket? Because you just played the race card.”
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Tue 6 May, 2014 09:07 pm
@bobsal u1553115,
Quote:
Charlie Crist: Bigots are a ‘big reason’ I left GOP


Why can't a white guy play the race card? What a hack this guy is. He still hurts from the beating Rubio gave him.

Why anyone would listen to this guy shows how easily people are fooled.
Maybe he could co host with Sharpton. Crist is a bottom feeder. It is where a lot of Democrats dine.
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