bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:05 am
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:08 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
Quote:

“I have evidence that not only are they hiding it, there’s an intent to hide it. I can’t disclose that evidence yet, but I have evidence there was a systematic, intentional decision to withhold certain documents from Congress.”


Well pull it out of your ass and show it to everyone.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:10 am
@coldjoint,
So what don't you like about Maquoketa?
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:12 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:

There are others who need to prove it, not me. I can just hope they do. Seems to me the proof can only be hidden by executive privilege.


Bullshit. If that were true there'd never ever be an impeachment.
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bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:17 am
@cicerone imposter,
I thought this is a good account of exactly the way W mishandled intelligence.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2011/08/17/tenet-and-911-a-real-cover-up/

Tenet and 9/11: a Real Cover-Up?
by RAY McGOVERN

With few exceptions, like some salacious rumor about the Kennedy family, the mainstream U.S. news media has shown little interest in stories that throw light on history — even recent, very relevant history. So it comes as no surprise that, when a former White House counter-terrorism czar accuses an ex-CIA director of sitting on information that could have prevented a 9/11 attack, the story gets neither ink nor air.

Bulletin for those of you who get your information only from the New York Times, the Washington Post and other outlets of the Fawning Corporate Media (FCM): Former White House director for counterterrorism Richard Clarke has accused former CIA Director George Tenet of denying him and others access to intelligence that could have thwarted the attack on the Pentagon on 9/11.

Deliberately withholding critical intelligence from those who need it, and can act on it, is — at the least — gross dereliction of duty. The more so if keeping the White House promptly and fully informed is at the top of your job jar, as it was for Director of Central Intelligence Tenet. And yet that is precisely the charge Clarke has leveled at the former DCI.

In an interview aired on Aug. 11 on a local PBS affiliate in Colorado, Clarke charges that Tenet and two other senior CIA officials, Cofer Black and Richard Blee, deliberately withheld information about two of the hijackers of American Airlines Flight 77 — al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar. The two had entered the United States more than a year before the 9/11 attacks.

Clarke adds that the CIA then covered it all up by keeping relevant information away from Congress and the 9/11 Commission.

Lying by senior officials is bad enough, and there is now plenty of evidence that former CIA Director George Tenet and his closest agency associates are serial offenders. Think for a minute about the falsehoods spread regarding Iraq’s non-existent “weapons of mass destruction” stockpiles.

But withholding intelligence on two of the 9/11 hijackers would have been particularly unconscionable — the epitome of malfeasance, not just misfeasance. That’s why Richard Clarke’s conclusion that he should have received information from CIA about al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, “unless somebody intervened to stop the normal automatic distribution” amounts, in my view, to a criminal charge, given the eventual role of the two in the hijacking on 9/11 of AA-77, the plane that struck the Pentagon.

Tenet has denied that the information on the two hijackers was “intentionally withheld” from Clarke, and he has enlisted the other two former CIA operatives, Cofer Black (more recently a senior official of Blackwater) and Richard Blee (an even more shadowy figure), to concur in saying, Not us; we didn’t withhold.

Whom to believe? To me, it’s a no-brainer. One would have to have been born yesterday to regard the “George is right” testimony from Black and Blee as corroborative.

Tenet’s Dubious Credibility

Tenet is the same fellow who provided the “slam dunk” on the existence of “weapons of mass destruction” in Iraq, as well as the “artist renderings” of equally non-existent mobile laboratories for developing biological warfare agents, based on unconfirmed information from the impostor code-named (appropriately) “Curveball.”

It was Tenet who, under orders from President George W. Bush and Vice President Dick Cheney, ordered up and disseminated a fraudulent National Intelligence Estimate on WMD in Iraq, the purpose of which was to deceive our elected representatives out of their constitutional prerogative to authorize war. No small lies.

After a five-year investigation by the Senate Intelligence Committee, Chairman Jay Rockefeller described the intelligence adduced under Tenet to “justify” attacking Iraq as “uncorroborated, contradicted, and non-existent.” Good enough to win Tenet the Presidential Medal of Freedom, though. The corruption of intelligence worked just fine for the purposes of Bush and Cheney, thank you very much.

It is a actually a matter of record that Tenet lies a lot — on occasion, displaying what I would call chutzpah on steroids. Recall, for example, Tenet in April 2007 snarling at Scott Pelley on “60 Minutes” — five times, in five consecutive sentences — “We do not torture people.”

Even Under Oath

Tenet has lied about 9/11, too. The joint statement from Tenet, Black and Blee – orchestrated by former CIA spokesman Bill Harlow – concludes: “We testified under oath about what we did, what we knew and what we didn’t know. We stand by that testimony.”

Almost made me laugh … almost.

In his sworn testimony to the 9/11 Commission on April 14, 2004, Tenet said he had not spoken to Bush — even on the telephone — during the entire month of August 2001.

But Tenet did fly down to see the President in Crawford — not once, but twice during August 2001, and briefed Bush again in Washington on the 31st.

After the TV cameras at the 9/11 Commission hearing were shut off, Bill Harlow phoned the commission staff to say, Oops, sorry, Tenet misspoke. Even then, Harlow admitted only to Tenet’s Aug. 17 visit to Crawford (and to the briefing on the 31st).

How do we know Tenet was again in Crawford, on Aug. 24? From a White House press release quoting President Bush to that effect — information somehow completely missed by our vigilant Fawning Corporate Media.

Funny, too, how Tenet could have forgotten his first visit to Crawford on Aug. 17. In his memoir, At the Center of the Storm, Tenet waxes eloquent about the “president graciously driving me around the spread in his pickup and me trying to make small talk about the flora and the fauna.” But the visit was not limited to small talk.

In his book Tenet writes: “A few weeks after the August 6 PDB was delivered, I followed it to Crawford to make sure the president stayed current on events.” The Aug. 6, 2001, President’s Daily Brief contained the article “Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the US.” According to Ron Suskind’s The One-Percent Doctrine, the president reacted by telling the CIA briefer, “All right, you’ve covered your ass now.”

If, as Tenet says in his memoir, it was the Aug. 6, 2001, PDB that prompted his visit on Aug. 17, what might have brought him back on Aug. 24? I believe the answer can be found in court documents released at the trial of Zacarias Moussaoui, the fledgling pilot in Minnesota interested in learning to steer a plane but indifferent as to how to land it.

Those documents show that on Aug. 23, 2001, Tenet was given an alarming briefing focusing on Moussaoui, titled “Islamic Extremist Learns to Fly.” Tenet was told that Moussaoui was training to fly a 747 and, among other suspicion-arousing data, had paid for the training in cash.

It is an open question — if a key one — whether Tenet told Bush about the two hijackers, al-Hazmi and al-Mihdhar, while keeping that key information from the person who most needed it — White House counter-terrorist czar Richard Clarke. Clarke finds the only plausible explanation in his surmise that Tenet was personally responsible. Clarke says:

“For me to this day, it is inexplicable, when I had every other detail about everything related to terrorism, that the director didn’t tell me, that the director of the counterterrorism center didn’t tell me, that the other 48 people inside CIA that knew about it never mentioned it to me or anyone in my staff in a period of over 12 months.”

Enter Harlow

But Tenet’s aide-de-camp Bill Harlow has branded Clarke’s statements “absurd and patently false.” And the statement Harlow shepherded for Tenet, Black and Blee adds “reckless and profoundly wrong … baseless … belied by the record … unworthy of serious consideration.”

And Harlow never lies? Right. I’m reminded of Harlow’s reaction to Newsweek’s publication on Feb. 24, 2003, of the intelligence information provided by Saddam Hussein’s son-in-law, Hussein Kamel when he defected to Jordan in 1995. Kamel brought with him a treasure trove of documents and unique knowledge of Iraq’s putative “weapons of mass destruction.”

Most significantly, he told his U.S. debriefers there were no WMD in Iraq. He knew. He had been in charge of Iraq’s chemical, biological, nuclear and missile programs for almost a decade, and he ordered what weapons existed destroyed before the U.N. inspectors could discover them after the war in 1991. In his words:

“I ordered the destruction of all chemical weapons. All weapons — biological, chemical, missile, nuclear were destroyed.”

He told the U.S. much more, and the information that could be checked out was confirmed. But Kamel’s information didn’t fit with the Bush administration’s propaganda regarding its certainty that Iraq did have WMD stockpiles and was defying United Nations demands that the WMD be destroyed.

Those pushing the Iraq War juggernaut in early 2003 almost had a conniption when Newsweek acquired a transcript of Kamel’s debriefing and published this potentially explosive story barely three weeks before the invasion.

Newsweek noted gingerly that this information “raises questions about whether the WMD stockpiles attributed to Iraq still exist.” It was, in fact, the kind of impeccably sourced documentary evidence after which intelligence analysts and lawyers lust.

But this was not at all what Bush, Cheney, and — by sycophantic extension — Tenet wanted Newsweek readers, or the rest of us, to learn less than a month before the U.S./U.K. attack on Iraq ostensibly to find and destroy those non-existent weapons.

Bill Harlow to the rescue: he told the FCM in no uncertain terms that the Newsweek story was, “incorrect, bogus, wrong, untrue.” And the media cheerleaders for war breathed a sigh of relief, saying, Gosh, thanks for telling us, and then dropped the story like a hot potato.

By all indications, Harlow is still able to work his fraudulent magic on the FCM, which have virtually ignored this major Clarke v. Tenet story since it broke six days ago.

If Harlow says it’s not true … and hurls still more pejorative epithets and adjectives, in a crude attempt to discredit the very serious charge Clarke has made … well, I guess we’ll have to leave it there, as the FCM is so fond of saying.

No matter Clarke’s well-deserved reputation for honesty and professionalism — and Tenet’s for the opposite. And so it goes.

Ray McGovern was an Army officer and CIA analyst for almost 30 year. He now serves on the Steering Group of Veteran Intelligence Professionals for Sanity. He is a contributor to Imperial Crusades: Iraq, Afghanistan and Yugoslavia, edited by Alexander Cockburn and Jeffrey St. Clair (Verso). He can be reached at: [email protected].

A shorter version of this article appears at Consortiumnews.com.
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parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:38 am
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

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There are others who need to prove it, not me. I can just hope they do. Seems to me the proof can only be hidden by executive privilege.



Once again you **** on the US Constitution by claiming lack of evidence is proof of a crime.
bobsal u1553115
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:40 am
@coldjoint,
George Bush ignored all intelligence right up to Sep 11, 2001. He was specifically briefed by the CIA regarding Sept 11 on Sept 10 and he turned the agent he had "covered his ass" and could leave before the briefing was finished.
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Mon 5 May, 2014 07:42 am
@cicerone imposter,
Yahoo is becoming a wonderful source of news.
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coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:08 am
@parados,
Quote:
Once again you **** on the US Constitution by claiming lack of evidence is proof of a crime.


I haven't claimed that, you have. You seem to enjoy telling people what they say and think. Tell your mama, I am not interested in your bullshit.
parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:12 am
@coldjoint,
You have claimed Obama should be impeached even though you claim he is hiding the evidence. That leads to only ONE conclusion, you want to convict without evidence. If you feel your statement means something else then please tell us.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:21 am
@parados,
Quote:
That leads to only ONE conclusion, you want to convict without evidence.


You lead yourself where ever you wish. I want the evidence out there. Obama is withholding documents that he feels will provide that evidence. Congress must demand all related documents, that will give them all the evidence they need.

And all you are doing is saying Obama can lie all he wants without question.
It doesn't work that way.
parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:24 am
@coldjoint,
Once again, you **** on the US Constitution. You demand the Obama doesn't get fifth amendment protection because you feel he is guilty.

So....
You hate the US Constitution because you claim people are guilty when they take the fifth which is a right that the courts have said is not evidence of guilt.
You hate the US Constitution because you demand we impeach a President without any evidence.
You hate the US Constitution because you demand someone turn over evidence that you think would convict them of a crime.

Why do you always feel the need to **** on the US Constitution so much, Pinkie?
coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:27 am
@parados,
Quote:
You hate the US Constitution

http://www.acidpulse.us/images/smilies/lolol.gif
parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:28 am
@coldjoint,
Are you arguing you have never said someone is guilty because they took the fifth?
coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:35 am
@parados,
Quote:
Are you arguing you have never said someone is guilty because they took the fifth?


In this case no. And you know that. Are you arguing that someone that takes the fifth is innocent? If I can't say guilty, you can't say innocent. You can't have it both ways.
parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:37 am
@coldjoint,
So. You are saying you never said anyone who pled the fifth must be guilty of something or hiding a crime?
parados
 
  1  
Mon 5 May, 2014 09:38 am
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:


In this case no. And you know that. Are you arguing that someone that takes the fifth is innocent? If I can't say guilty, you can't say innocent. You can't have it both ways.

Actually, I can say they are presumed innocent and that would be precisely what the US Constitution says. This is just another example of how you **** on the US Constitution when you say the can't be considered innocent if they take the fifth.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:46 am
@parados,
Quote:
**** on the US Constitution when you say the can't be considered innocent if they take the fifth.


And why can't they be considered guilty? There is some reason that they are in that position, and guilt is just as plausible. That is why it is not shitting on the Constitution it is just a search for answers and truth in the matter.
parados
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:47 am
@coldjoint,
By considering them guilty for pleading the fifth you are shitting on the US Constitution and showing hate of that document.
coldjoint
 
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Mon 5 May, 2014 09:50 am
@parados,
Quote:
By considering them guilty for pleading the fifth you are shitting on the US Constitution and showing hate of that document.


No I am not. You keep lying. It is what you are paid for.
 

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