On Voting Republicans Out Of Office

Baldimo says:

We can't admit it because of the simple fact that ityour take on Obamacare simply isn't true. It IS going to work. Almost double the number of people past the point of viability (which was about 4M) signed up.The demographics look good. And the latest projections of cost are WAY below earlier ones. It'll work.Roomneycare, it's direct ancest, has worked in MA for eight years now, and people here like it a lot (far more than we like Romney).
The cases that the GOP and the Kochs trumpeted loudly and often as examples eewof failure were examined and proved to be false. If your side is going to use particular peopole to make their case, they sshould check their facts before they yuse the people. Their "facts" were bogus. That's not our fault.

And from what I remember of your convoluted case, it really sounds like either your employer or yokuur insurance companhy, or both, are jerking you around.

And Advocate's comment above nails it.

You,

That's SOP for Baldimo. He makes rash claims without providing any information that's requested; NONE. Trying to have an intelligent discussion is impossible.

Sign ups don't mean **** unless people are paying for policies. If they aren't paying the ACA doesn't mean anything. Unless over half the people that signed up are young, the ACA isn't going to work.

Georgia announced the other day, that they had over 220,000 sign up for insurance, but only about half of them have paid their premiums. What do the rest of the states look like?

**** you CI, you can't even keep up with the proper conversation. You can't even keep straight what I have said and what I didn't say. You have a nasty habit of putting words in people's mouths.

Figures, can't have an intelligent discussion.

I just copied and pasted what you wrote that directly contradicts what you later claimed.

You must still have difficulty with the English language.

That is the only place I would have said such a thing, and it was written wrong and you know it. You see it as a "point" you have made. It was written wrong and I stand by what I have said.

Under the ACA (read since the ACA was passed) my costs have gone up $200 a month. You really need to pay attention to it all CI not just the part that you think is going to "win" you a point.

Why are you such a douche bag? You and JTT seem to be the only people who get me riled up like this. I have ignored JTT, should I place you on the list next? I know you don't care but it would make me feel better.

I have seen reports from insurance companies that 80- 85% of enrollees have paid so far.

Claims based on no facts don't mean anything either.

That isn't the way the actuaries calculated it.

And you can't prove they did.

The ACA was passed in 2010 as I recall. Your premiums going up 15% over 4 years is hardly a large increase.

The nasty piece of work Baldino steps out. Project much, bub?

It was a $200 rise this year. That isn't a combined total of the years. As I noted before and you guys keep ignoring, the rise in costs until this year had been around $20-$50 a month. This year they went up $200 a month.

Naw fed up with CI's crap. You on the other hand seem to think the answer to something the govt messed up is to seek the govt for the answer. You claim to be a republican?

And your employers contribution to your premium is $700 a pay period.

Did you checkout the ACA website? Did speak with anyone from ACA providers? How do you know what the ACA costs you in that you've never ever tried to find out what the ACA could do for you? You want to keep your overpriced insurance, that's your responsibility, its all on you. You want your employer to keep sending $700 a pay period to an insurance company and ante up $200 more every month, that's not the fault of ACA. That's you cheating you.

Since you seem to miss what I have said in the past here you go.

http://able2know.org/topic/172483-349#post-5643568

Once again your answer is to go to the govt to fix a problem they created? You provide this answer because you know if enough people like me come forward the ACA "miracle" story will be shot. So instead you want the prices to go up so that people will turn to the govt as their savior.

Yes, and you keep ignoring that the rise is only YOUR part of the premium. We don't know if your employer decided to only pay $500 per pay period this year. We don't know if your employer's insurance had dramatic increases in use last year which drives up premiums on group insurance. There are a lot of things we don't know which could be and likely are the cause of the increase in your cost.

If the only reason was the ACA then unless your group uses the insurance a lot this year you will be getting refunds at the end of the year since the ACA requires moneys collected for premiums be spent primarily for health care.

I am a Republican. And a Lutheran. Government allowed the Insurance and Health Care industry get out of hand with their desire to pick our pockets. Even Nixon wanted a single payer health care system and the Democrats called it 'socialistic". I remember as a young Republican and a member of YFC how many people reviled MediCare. 'Socialist' they called it. And now those same folks wrap their 'socialist' care around their own shoulders and deny this 'socialism' to anybody else. Its now their right and anybody else's entitlement. As a more conservative person I find economic good sense in keeping everybody healthy. And so should you. It keeps down the prices of medical service and the need for expensive services and the number of these services later. You know - ounce of prevention, pound of cure? As a Republican I recognize the ACA for what it is: A Republican approach to health care. Health care is still private, and insurance is still in the hands private companies. All the law really changed is limiting profits companies can make off of your premium dollar, and made insurance available to 9,000,000 plus who didn't get it before, and made it harder to deny "existing conditions".

But I am a Teddy Roosevelt, Fighting Bob LaFollette, Bob Taft, Dwight D. Eisenhower kind of Republican. I know corporations aren't people. That they need to regulated and kept honest.

I am also a veteran with excellent health coverage and I think it is the least a nation can do for everyone here. Its the least thing it can do and is affordable for a nation that spends over 60% of its budgets military spending. I am all for single payer directly under the Fed. Call it the only Democratic principle I as a Republican believe in. Because we can not afford to entrust our health to Big Pharma, or the health care industry or the insurance companies.

Thank-you, I just couldn't get that said.

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I wonder if Canada and Mexico would ever accept the US dollar as currency?