Advocate
 
  1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 10:30 am
@coldjoint,
How is cutting the days and hours for voting help eliminate alleged voting fraud?

Of course, such cuts do not eliminate fraud. However, they do lessen voting by blacks, the poor, et al., who were the ones to, say, vote on Sundays.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 10:35 am
@Advocate,
Quote:
How is cutting the days and hours for voting help eliminate alleged voting fraud?

You tell me.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:02 am
It is disgusting!

The conservatives already have a ridiculously unfair advantage in government...and want to get an even greater unfair advantage.

The reliably red states of Wyoming and Montana, for instance, have a combined population of 1,600,000. They have a combined total of 4 senators...or one senator for every 400,000 people.

California and New York, reliable blue states, have a combined population of approximately 58,000,000. They also have a combined total of 4 senators...or one senator for every 14,500,000 people.

Like I said...it is disgusting!
raprap
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:07 am
@coldjoint,
BTW ColdDoper, in a debate mode this is known as begging the question and is considered a weak position.

Rap

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Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:19 am
@Frank Apisa,
Why is this so disgusting? Every state gets the same level of say in the Senate. How is this an advantage for the right?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:28 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
The conservatives already have a ridiculously unfair advantage in government...and want to get an even greater unfair advantage.


It is called the Constitution ,Frank.
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:37 am
@coldjoint,
Quote:
You tell me.


What's the matter, cj? Your meme generator hasn't been loaded with any memes for this situation?

This illustrates why y'all should have been encouraged to think. That is seriously lacking in folks like you. But it must be noted that you do make excellent cannon fodder.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:39 am
@JTT,
http://www.alien-earth.org/images/smileys/abduct.gif
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 11:50 am
@coldjoint,
Good grief! Could you possibly give any clearer an indication of how dismal is your ability to think, to focus, cj?

You're a2k's answer to a reality TV show - Dumb Dynasty
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Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:17 pm
@Baldimo,
Baldimo wrote:

Why is this so disgusting? Every state gets the same level of say in the Senate. How is this an advantage for the right?


I'm not sure if you are just kidding around here...or if you do not understand the difference between 4 people representing 1.5 million people...and 4 people representing 58 million people.

The 1.5 apparently are a majority for conservative candidates....and the 58 are a majority for progressive candidates.

If you cannot see the unfairness...I can't help you.

If you cannot see that this gives the conservatives a huge advantage...I cannot help you.

Move these figures into the Electoral College...and you see that the conservatives get a huge boost there also.
Frank Apisa
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:19 pm
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
The conservatives already have a ridiculously unfair advantage in government...and want to get an even greater unfair advantage.


It is called the Constitution ,Frank.


It also is called UNFAIR.

But the crybaby conservatives are trying to load their end even more.

DISGUSTING!

Or at least, that is my opinion. You are welcome to yours.
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coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:22 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Move these figures into the Electoral College...and you see that the conservatives get a huge boost there also.


The founding fathers created the Electoral College because they wanted to protect the republic they established against the tyranny of the majority. Remember we are not a true democracy.

Quote:
In any institution in which a majority of citizens or members can pass laws or rules that apply, not just to themselves, but to all members of the group, judgment is required to distinguish potential laws which are reasonable and fair from those which are tyrannical because they are unnecessary, unfair, and justifiably intolerable to the minority that opposed them. And formal mechanisms need to be in place, wherever feasible, to prevent tyrannical laws from being passed by those whose judgment in such matters might fail.

Quote:

The founding fathers of the American republic were not unaware of this problem, and some of the provisions of the U.S. Constitution can be viewed as ways of addressing it even if that is not necessarily their expressed or realized intention. James Madison wrote in Federalist Paper 51: "It is of great importance in a republic not only to guard the society against the oppression of its rulers but to guard one part of the society against the injustice of the other part. If a majority be united by a common interest, the rights of the minority will be insecure." Many of the features of the Constitutional organization of the Federal government are meant to keep any branch or department from attaining domination of the others, but in fulfilling that function, they also serve as a safeguard against any popular majority, as represented then by the House of Representatives (and now by the Senate and the House of Representatives in partnership), from being able to oppress other citizens. Again Madison from the same work: "In framing a government which is to be administered by men over men, the great difficulty lies in this: you must first enable the government to control the governed; and in the next place oblige it to control itself. A dependence on the people is, no doubt, the primary control on the government; but experience has taught mankind the necessity of auxiliary precautions."


http://www.garlikov.com/philosophy/majorityrule.htm
Baldimo
 
  0  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:26 pm
@Frank Apisa,
So how do you explain the majority of states in the North East? They have relativly smaller populations then other states. They get the same amount of say in the Senate. But you are failing to see that the House of Representatives is where the people get their representation. The Senate is an equal division for all states. Based on how you think it should be done, the Left would control the entire govt. with no options left for those on the right. Is this the type of govt you would prefer to see?

We could go back to have the Senators elected the way they were before the days of Woodrow Wilson. How would you feel about that? Why do you hate the Constitution so much?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:32 pm
Quote:
The phrase "tyranny of the majority" (or "tyranny of the masses"), used in discussing systems of democracy and majority rule, involves the scenario in which decisions made by a majority place its interests above those of an individual or minority group, constituting active oppression comparable to that of tyrants and despots.[1] In many cases a disliked ethnic, religious or racial group is deliberately penalized by the majority element acting through the democratic process.[citation needed]


Looks like conservatives have been helping minorities for a long time
<br /> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tyranny_of_the_majority
parados
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:45 pm
@coldjoint,
It seems math is hard for you.

The final 4 digits are only 1000 numbers. (assuming they do use 0000) When you have 40,000 people with the same name you will have a minimum of 400 people with the same last four digits if you simply assign numbers in order to them. Statistics says if you have 100 people with the same name and birthday there is a 99.5% chance that at least 2 of them will have the same last 4 digits. You only need 37 people with the same name and birthday before you have a 50/50 chance that there are at least 2 people that share the last 4 digits.

Because someone had the same name, birthday and final four SS numbers means nothing. There is a large likelihood that there will be thousands if not tens of thousands of those occurrences in the US.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:48 pm
@parados,
Quote:
The final 4 digits are only 1000 numbers. (assuming they do use 0000) When you have 40,000 people with the same name you will have a minimum of 400 people with the same last four digits if you simply assign numbers in order to them.


When are you going to run out of excuses for the obvious fraud?
JTT
 
  0  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:51 pm
@coldjoint,
When are you going to forego memes and address the facts, cj?
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 12:54 pm
@JTT,
Quote:
When are you going to forego memes and address the facts, cj?


When are you going to post some? You seem to be more worried about me than anything else.
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parados
 
  2  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 01:10 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Quote:
The final 4 digits are only 1000 numbers. (assuming they do use 0000) When you have 40,000 people with the same name you will have a minimum of 400 people with the same last four digits if you simply assign numbers in order to them.


When are you going to run out of excuses for the obvious fraud?


You are the one with excuses.

The fact that they found 752 people with the same name, birth date and last 4 number of their social security isn't surprising at all. The odds tell us with 365 days in a year, an average life expectancy 80 and the last 4 digits of 1000 could result in almost 20,00o instances nationwide where people share name, birth date and last 4 numbers of their social security number. That would mean almost 40,000 people. Those 752 in the state of North Carolina is what could be expected.
coldjoint
 
  -1  
Fri 4 Apr, 2014 01:30 pm
@parados,
Quote:
You are the one with excuses.


Those numbers are facts. Your defense and math are the excuses. Hang it up shill. The fraud is obvious.
 

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