On Voting Republicans Out Of Office

@Baldimo,

You, the sheeple, pay the costs to slaughter innocents and illegally invade sovereign nations, B, but you seem to be happy with that. There's that hypocrisy again.

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The US has been the ONLY first world country stuck in the eighteenth century on health care. We pay twice as much per person for a health care system that leaves out 20% of its citizens and offers worse health metrics than any other major country. Obama is the first president since Clinton to address that. And Republicans have opposed it every step of the way, along with not offering any alternatives. It's about damned time the government did SOMETHING. That's not overreach, that's living in the 21st century. And, yes, the professionals say it'll work now. the 7 million was a target, it wasn't the point where the system became viable. That was, and is. lower. So face it, Obamacare is here to stay, and it'll get better as it spreads. Was your policy one of the **** ones that paid for nothing until you got catastrophically sick, and then undercovered that? Which Obamacare seems rightly to have exterminated?

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@MontereyJack,

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The US has been the ONLY first world country stuck in the eighteenth century on health care. We pay twice as much per person for a health care system that leaves out 20% of its citizens and offers worse health metrics than any other major country. Obama is the first president since Clinton to address that. And Republicans have opposed it every step of the way, along with not offering any alternatives. It's about damned time the government did SOMETHING. That's not overreach, that's living in the 21st century. And, yes, the professionals say it'll work now. the 7 million was a target, it wasn't the point where the system became viable. That was, and is. lower. So face it, Obamacare is here to stay, and it'll get better as it spreads. Was your policy one of the **** ones that paid for nothing until you got catastrophically sick, and then undercovered that? Which Obamacare seems rightly to have exterminated?

Terrific post, MJ. You are never going to convince these guys, because their handlers have told them what to think and say. They are like the peasants who advocated that the nobles were rightly their betters because god so deemed it that way.

They are stuck with the name Obamacare...which will be a success as it is built on. FDR never got to see Social Security referred to as Roosevelt care...but he be proud to have the name itself attached to this great safety net program.

Thanks to these guys, Barack Obama's name will always be associated with this legislation...and will insure him a favored place in history where he might not otherwise be entitled.

(They really do have to oppose anything that even comes close to helping the less fortunate, MJ. The who pull their strings see to that!)

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@MontereyJack,

Good post Jack.
What I don't get is the Republicans hoping it will fail and not offering a viable alternative.
It seems so mean-spirited.

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@panzade,

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What I don't get is the Republicans hoping it will fail and not offering a viable alternative.

And what I don't get is that lie repeated over and over. There are plenty of ideas. The free market is one of them.

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@panzade,

The problem is indeed the overreach. Just because the rest of the world does something doesn't mean we have to repeat it. The ACA wouldn't have been a bad idea except for the mandates and other forced areas of coverage. No one has an issue with other aspects of the ACA. Pre-existing conditions, coverage for kids,kids shouldn't include those over 21, are all good things. Forcing us to carry insurance is where the BS starts. Life isn't one size fits all, but to effect change for a minority of people, less then 20% of the population didn't have insurance, the mandates effects everyone, and has driven my costs up.

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@Baldimo,

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Life isn't one size fits all

In the ordered world that liberals advocate that is what you get and you better like it. If not you are a racist, bigot, or hater. When in reality you are just someone that likes to make your own decisions.

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@Baldimo,

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The problem is indeed the overreach. Just because the rest of the world does something doesn't mean we have to repeat it. The ACA wouldn't have been a bad idea except for the mandates and other forced areas of coverage. No one has an issue with other aspects of the ACA. Pre-existing conditions, coverage for kids,kids shouldn't include those over 21, are all good things. Forcing us to carry insurance is where the BS starts. Life isn't one size fits all, but to effect change for a minority of people, less then 20% of the population didn't have insurance, the mandates effects everyone, and has driven my costs up.

Keep in mind that the employer mandate only applies to companies with more than 50 full-time employees. That is less than one percent of employers. The mandate makes the companies provide a minimum standard of health-care coverage.

Would you also ban employers from paying into, and collecting, employment taxes, such as income tax withholding, Medicare, social security, and unemployment premiums?

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@Advocate,

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Would you also ban employers from paying into, and collecting, employment taxes, such as income tax withholding, Medicare, social security, and unemployment premiums?

Would you like to give the more things do because of the clusterfuck that passes for government. Have they called and said you can go to the bathroom yet?

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coldjoint says:

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There are plenty of ideas. The free market is one of them

You haven't been paying attention, have you? The free market is what we have had for the past century. It's why we pay twice asw much per person as any other developed country. It's why we had lifetime caps on coverage. It's why people's policies were terminated when it looked like they were going to cost the insurance companies a lot. It's why recissions happened. It's why people with pre-existing conditions couldn't get coverage. :It's why people who self-insured paid far higher rates, prohibitive rates, than people who had employer-provided coverage did. It's why the leading cause of personal bankruptcy in this country is people, WHO MOSTLY HAD HEALTH INSURANCE, who were hit with catastrophic medical costs which their insurance didn't cover (which doesn't happen in single-payer countries).It's why Obamacare has all those provisions that Baldimo just lauded, because the free market was screwing people over. Got any other viable alternatives, coldjoint? No? Thought not.

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@MontereyJack,

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It's why we pay twice asw much per person as any other developed country.

And with Obamacare we can pay even more. And at the same time stick up our young peoples ass even farther. And the rest of the world is just that.(not The USA) Europe is failing. Europe is welfare states and largely socialistic. Why would anyone in their right mind want to follow in their footsteps?

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As I said, coldjoint, you're not paying attenti0on, are you? The problems Europe is having aren';t due to their health costs, which are verifiably around half what we pay. They're having problems because they followed Germany's lead of applying Republican principles of austerity, instead of tried-and-true Keynesian economic policy of government stimulus when free market private enterprise collapsed the world economy. Obama went the Keynesian road, to the extent he could with Republican kicking-and-screaming him at every turn, with the result that our economy is in far better shape (and would be better still had he been able to do as much as the economists said he should to stimulate the economy (but which, as we all know, the GOP opposed obdurately, lest Obama actually get credit ). That's what happens when you apply GOPonomics, they bite you in the ass.

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@MontereyJack,

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The problems Europe is having aren';t due to their health costs,

Did I say they were? They are nanny states. You are not paying attention.

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Who brought up Europe in this discussion? You, coldjoint, you. And ALL the other nations pay less than we do, cover everybody, and get better results. They're not us when it comes to health care, true. That's a fact for which they, and their populations, are extremely grateful.

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@MontereyJack,

Regulations on the medical industry are the reason for the high costs. Look at other parts of the medical field that are not so controlled, and they have seen a reduction in costs. Boob jobs, and eye surgeries have come down in cost, and they have had little to no regulation. 10 years ago you couldn't touch lasik surgery for under $2000 per eye, now a days you can have it done for about $500 an eye. The feds stayed out of the mix, and the services and technology got cheaper.

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Just kickin' back , enjoying M-Jack's heart-of-the-matter posts.

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@MontereyJack,

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and get better results.

http://www.acidpulse.net/images/smilies/rofl1.gif

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Really,baldimo? So tell me why the NYT was able to do a series of articles recently comparing the costs of common major surgeries, like joint replacements, for example, in single-payer countries with costs in the US, and found US costs typically ran three or four times as much?

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@MontereyJack,

For the very reason I said, too much govt regulation on the medical industry. How many places does the govt already have cost controls in place? Attempts to control the spending?

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single-payer countries regulate the costs too, and the costs are a fraction of ours. your argument doesn't hold water.

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