MontereyJack
 
  2  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:20 am
coldjoint says:
Quote:
and get better results.



Yes, coldjoint, they do. You're taking refuge in the bottle again, and denying reality. Look at any of the public health stats. Just one, for example. We pay twice as much as other countries for our health care, and we rank in the forties amongst all the world's countries in longevity. Not getting much bang for our buck, are we?
Baldimo
 
  1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:22 am
@MontereyJack,
That doesn't make it right, and it doesn't mean the US should be following suit.
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Frank Apisa
 
  3  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:26 am
@panzade,
panzade wrote:

Just kickin' back , enjoying M-Jack's heart-of-the-matter posts.


Jack is indeed doing a kick-ass job, Panzade.

They are getting all those stats and links they call for so often...and of course, they are simply dismissing them as most of us realized they would do.

Conservative solutions for everything: Cut taxes (mostly on the wealthy) and keep government out.

Reagan, their saint, did that...and we ended up with three times the national debt we had before he started "to show us how things ought to be done!"

Baldimo
 
  1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:30 am
@Frank Apisa,
Yeah Carter did such a great job with things before Reagan came into office. I forget how awesome the US was doing prior to 1980.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:30 am
@MontereyJack,
Quote:
Yes, coldjoint, they do. You're taking refuge in the bottle again,


Wow. That isn't nice. Look at Belgium they are about to legalize euthanasia.
Why must you attack me personally? No argument worth a ****? Post your stats.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
Quote:
Conservative solutions for everything: Cut taxes


Kennedy cut taxes, nit wit.
Advocate
 
  1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 11:56 am
@coldjoint,
coldjoint wrote:

Quote:
Conservative solutions for everything: Cut taxes


Kennedy cut taxes, nit wit.


Kennedy's tax cut was peanuts, and didn't affect the economy. But the right will bring this up ad nauseam.

Reagan cut taxes big time, and the national debt increased 300 percent. Worse, the right is still in love with his stupid supply-side economics, though proven not to work.
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panzade
 
  2  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:02 pm
Ten things Republicans don't want you to know about Reagan:

1. Reagan was a serial tax raiser
As president, Reagan “raised taxes in seven of his eight years in office,” including four times in just two years. As former GOP Senator Alan Simpson, who called Reagan “a dear friend,” told NPR, “Ronald Reagan raised taxes 11 times in his administration — I was there.” “Reagan was never afraid to raise taxes,” said historian Douglas Brinkley, who edited Reagan’s memoir. Reagan the anti-tax zealot is “false mythology,” Brinkley said.

2. Reagan nearly tripled the federal budget deficit.
During the Reagan years, the debt increased to nearly $3 trillion, “roughly three times as much as the first 80 years of the century had done altogether.”

3. Unemployment soared after Reagan’s 1981 tax cuts.
Meanwhile, income inequality exploded
Despite the myth that Reagan presided over an era of unmatched economic boom for all Americans, Reagan disproportionately taxed the poor and middle class, but the economic growth of the 1980′s did little help them. “Since 1980, median household income has risen only 30 percent, adjusted for inflation, while average incomes at the top have tripled or quadrupled,” the New York Times’ David Leonhardt noted.

4. Reagan grew the size of the federal government tremendously.
Reagan promised “to move boldly, decisively, and quickly to control the runaway growth of federal spending,” but federal spending “ballooned” under Reagan.

5. Reagan did little to fight a woman’s right to choose.
When Reagan ran for president, he advocated a constitutional amendment that would have prohibited all abortions except when necessary to save the life of the mother, but once in office, he “never seriously pursued” curbing choice.

6. Reagan was a “bellicose peacenik.”

He wrote in his memoirs that “[m]y dream…became a world free of nuclear weapons.” “This vision stemmed from the president’s belief that the biblical account of Armageddon prophesied nuclear war — and that apocalypse could be averted if everyone, especially the Soviets,
eliminated nuclear weapons,”

7. Reagan gave amnesty to 3 million undocumented immigrants.

8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran

9. Reagan vetoed a comprehensive anti-Apartheid act. which placed sanctions on South Africa and cut off all American trade with the country.

Reagan’s veto was overridden by the Republican-controlled Senate. Reagan responded by saying “I deeply regret that Congress has seen fit to override my veto,” saying that the law “will not solve the serious problems that plague that country.”

10. Reagan helped create the Taliban and Osama Bin Laden.

Reagan fought a proxy war with the Soviet Union by training, arming, equipping, and funding Islamist mujahidin fighters in Afghanistan.

Reagan funneled billions of dollars, along with top-secret intelligence and sophisticated weaponry to these fighters through the Pakistani intelligence service.

The Talbian and Osama Bin Laden — a prominent mujahidin commander — emerged from these mujahidin groups
Reagan helped create, and U.S. policy towards Pakistan remains strained because of the intelligence services’ close relations to these fighters.

In fact, Reagan’s decision to continue the proxy war after the Soviets were willing to retreat played a direct role in Bin Laden’s ascendancy.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2011/02/05/142288/reagan-centennial/
RexRed
 
  2  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:33 pm
Health = Hillary
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JTT
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:37 pm
@panzade,
8. Reagan illegally funneled weapons to Iran
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Why isn't the whole story ever given? What do Americans have against the truth, Pan? Is all you are doing is trying to get digs in at Repugs/cons?

The USA is thee only country to ever be charged with and convicted of international terrorism by the ICJ for its actions against Nicaragua.

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SATURDAY, MAR 8, 2014 09:00 AM CST
35 countries where the U.S. has supported fascists, drug lords and terrorists
As the situation in Ukraine continues to fester, a handy history guide -- from A (Argentina) to Z (Zaire)
NICOLAS J.S. DAVIES, ALTERNET

The U.S. is backing Ukraine’s extreme right-wing Svoboda party and violent neo-Nazis whose armed uprising paved the way for a Western-backed coup. Events in the Ukraine are giving us another glimpse through the looking-glass of U.S. propaganda wars against fascism, drugs and terrorism. The ugly reality behind the mirror is that the U.S. government has a long and unbroken record of working with fascists, dictators, druglords and state sponsors of terrorism in every region of the world in its elusive but relentless quest for unchallenged global power.
Behind a firewall of impunity and protection from the State Department and the CIA, U.S. clients and puppets have engaged in the worst crimes known to man, from murder and torture to coups and genocide. The trail of blood from this carnage and chaos leads directly back to the steps of the U.S. Capitol and the White House. As historian Gabriel Kolko observed in 1988, “The notion of an honest puppet is a contradiction Washington has failed to resolve anywhere in the world since 1945.” What follows is a brief A to Z guide to the history of that failure.

Read the A to Z guide at,

http://www.salon.com/2014/03/08/35_countries_the_u_s_has_backed_international_crime_partner/




coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:37 pm
@panzade,
Who cares? Reagan is not president and this is not the 1980s.
parados
 
  2  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:39 pm
@coldjoint,
The Pink Prevaricator wrote:

Who cares? Reagan is not president and this is not the 1980s.

So why do you keep trying to take us back there with the policies you promote?
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 12:44 pm
@parados,
Quote:
So why do you keep trying to take us back there with the policies you promote?


Nothing I promote takes us back at all. And considering everything Obama has done has failed except his media control and government intimidation, I wouldn't be worrying about it.
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coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:06 pm
Quote:
How Mr. Obama Seized the Free Press


Quote:
THE NY TIMES ADMITS TO BEING MANIPULATED


Quote:
SOME ARE FAVORED


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SOME ARE BULLIED AND THREATENED


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one case of White House bullying was particularly reprehensible. The White House tried to bully Fox News into not reporting on Benghazi according to Greta Van Susteren writing in a post on her website Gretawire:

After Benghazi on 9/11/2012, the Obama administration tried very hard to discourage Fox News Channel from reporting on it. The effort was obstruction – pure and simple.

They tried to prevent the truth from coming out and the Administration tried just about everything to discourage Fox from investigating and reporting.

All the American people wanted, and all I ever wanted, was just the facts – why did 4 Americans die? What happened?

http://www.independentsentinel.com/how-mr-obama-seized-the-free-press/
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JTT
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:12 pm
@coldjoint,
Cj: Reagan is not president and this is not the 1980s.
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There is no limitation on war crimes, cj the coward. Many of Reagan's war criminal/terrorist group are still alive, still being paid pensions by you sheeple.
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panzade
 
  2  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 01:52 pm
@JTT,
WELL EXCUSE ME!
I figured everyone knew that it's called the Iran-Contra affair and that Ollie was the point-man in an attempt to terrorize Nicaruaga.
JTT
 
  -1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 02:07 pm
@panzade,
I didn't really mean you, so much, Pan, as those who wrote the article. What the USA does is always whitewashed.

If everyone knew these things, Panzade, I wouldn't have to post them so often. And even when they hear of them there is a concerted effort to avoid these crimes by pretty much that same everyone. There is also a concerted effort to shoot the messenger. On that aspect, c'est la vie.

Yet these same everyone's just love to crank out posts about how bad this and that dictator is, wring their hands and wonder when the glorious USA is going to come to the rescue.

panzade
 
  1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 02:17 pm
@JTT,
It's actually my fault.
If you read the article it follows up with a section on Nicaragua.
I neglected to post that.
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izzythepush
 
  1  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 02:20 pm
@MontereyJack,
The Euro has caused a lot of problems, if not for that Spain, Greece and Italy could have devalued the peseta, drachma and lire respectively. Cheap Spanish, Greek, Italian goods and holidays would have then boosted the economy.

None of that has any bearing on healthcare or American economics. Norway has Universal Health Care and a dynamic economy. It's used by UKIP as a reason to quit the EU.
coldjoint
 
  0  
Fri 21 Mar, 2014 02:21 pm
@izzythepush,
Quote:
. Norway has Universal Health Care and a dynamic economy. It's used by UKIP as a reason to quit the EU.


And they have plenty of Muslims to support.
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