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@woiyo,

Most polls on Christie and Clinton may show a close race, but it's still too early to determine who will come out ahead in 2016.

As Christie gets more negative media attention, his popularity will drop like a sinker without any "lead." Mr. Green

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@cicerone imposter,

Sure. And I am sure as the negative media on Clinton comes in, she will sink like the lead weight she is. Her performance as Sec of State I am sure will come up every now and then. Especially the way she handled Benghazi then bailed out on her job. A real leader she is !! Cool

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Chew on this (yes, I know polls mean nothing, but..)
A new CNN poll finds that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are essentially tied in a potential 2016 presidential matchup.

Christie gets the support of 48 percent of registered voters, a 2-point lead over Clinton's 46 percent, but one that is within the poll's 3-point margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/194044-christie-clinton-tied-again-in-new-presidential-poll

I get that, Woiyo.

That is why I wrote what I wrote:

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Christie is a cancer on New Jersey. It amazes me that there are so many people who want to see the rest of the country infected with him.

Frankly, considering the political philosophy of the Republican Party...it amazes me that there are so many people who want to infect our nation with that philosophy.

But...

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@Frank Apisa,

Well maybe many folks are finding out the philosophy of the Democratic party is failing at a more rapid pace as evidenced by this.

But the Democratic lead evaporated, and a CNN poll a month ago indicated the GOP holding a 49%-47% lead. The new survey, conducted in mid-December, indicates Republicans with a 49%-44% edge over the Democrats.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/26/cnn-poll-gop-has-edge-in-early-midterm-indicator/

I happen to believe both philosophy's are too extreme.

That is why I think a moderate like Christie might not be the worst choice after all.

I am sure you disagree, but that's what makes this so much fun. Wink

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Well maybe many folks are finding out the philosophy of the Democratic party is failing at a more rapid pace as evidenced by this.

But the Democratic lead evaporated, and a CNN poll a month ago indicated the GOP holding a 49%-47% lead. The new survey, conducted in mid-December, indicates Republicans with a 49%-44% edge over the Democrats.
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2013/12/26/cnn-poll-gop-has-edge-in-early-midterm-indicator/

I happen to believe both philosophy's are too extreme.

That is why I think a moderate like Christie might not be the worst choice after all.

I am sure you disagree, but that's what makes this so much fun.

Actually, I agree that the fringes of both parties are "too extreme."

I champion a more progressive agenda...so obviously the Democratic extreme seems a bit more tolerable to me...but only just a bit more.

I honestly do not see the middle of the political spectrum expanding...and I fear the extremes on both sides are the areas that will see expansion.

I see Christie close up...and the very last thing I see him to be is a "moderate." Fact is, I cannot see how any Republican for national office truly can be a moderate...not considering the substantial influences of the fringe right.

The fringe left almost never impacts significantly on the political left.

SAID ANOTHER WAY: I hear politicians every election bragging about their strict conservative credentials...and charging a same-party opponent with not being conservative enough. I almost never hear a politician bragging about strict liberal credentials...the notion of charging a same-party opponent with not being liberal enough is almost beyond imagination.

Christie may be wearing the clothes of a moderate right now (he is, after all, a politician in a very blue state)...but he is NOT moderate...and will not appoint moderate judges and justices if elected!

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@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

woiyo wrote:

Chew on this (yes, I know polls mean nothing, but..)
A new CNN poll finds that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are essentially tied in a potential 2016 presidential matchup.

Christie gets the support of 48 percent of registered voters, a 2-point lead over Clinton's 46 percent, but one that is within the poll's 3-point margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/194044-christie-clinton-tied-again-in-new-presidential-poll

I get that, Woiyo.

That is why I wrote what I wrote:

Quote:
Christie is a cancer on New Jersey. It amazes me that there are so many people who want to see the rest of the country infected with him.

Frankly, considering the political philosophy of the Republican Party...it amazes me that there are so many people who want to infect our nation with that philosophy.

But...

I, too, saw where Christi had an edge over Hillary Clinton. Let's not get ahead of ourselves. A poll is something taken one day at a time. We are in the Season's holidays and that has crowded out the close scrutiny of the 2016 presidential race. Christi, is merely a blip on the radar. He will soon fade and if he doesn't then all my political acumen has served for nil.

Also, one must not forget, right after the tragedy, Obama came to NJ promising much to help the residents recover. A good and thankful side of Christi was on display....the Democratic state appreciated that....the Dem president working with Republican Christi. Another thing, the GOP asked Christi to have Mitt Romney come to the hurricane damaged state (good publicity for the GOP frontrunner) and Christi publicly said he was more concerned with the people who had been hit by Sandy than having to show the former Governor of Massachusetts around. These words by Christi, echoed throughout NJ and people who had ordinarily very little love for him, changed their minds, appreciating Christi (ostensibly) had placed the state ahead of politics. Truth be known, Christi was miffed at Romney for rejecting him to be number 2 on the presidential ticket. He had also heard a rumor that Romney and his staff had laughed at his bulky weight trying to navigate himself between the narrow isles of the Romney bus.

The blinkers have begun to fall away from people's eyes. The controversy over the closing of lanes on the George Washington Bridge in September is reaching new levels of inspection as subpoenas are handed out right and left as to who at the highest level gave the command to close the lanes and to *DELIBERATELY* keep the closing quiet, i.e., not tell the township directly effected by the closing, that the lanes were being closed! The national media had gotten ahold of the scandal; as it continues to unfold we're beginning to see a frantic Chris Christi.

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@Frank Apisa,

To some degree that's good news and bad news. The national debt as a percentage of our GDP is dropping, and the extreme austerity programs dictated by the GOP is not a good thing for our current economy, but having said that, the continued emphasis to cut the debt is a good one for the long-term health of our economy. I still don't see many republicans/tea party members of congress that's shown they're interested in the American people with more interest in policing the world - which doesn't make much sense. Our children need good education and health care.

I'm more disappointed in Obama and the many democratic members of congress who can't seem to negotiate out of their spend, spend, spend mode.

The good news? Our economy seems to be gaining strength regardless of what our government has done - or hasn't done. The economic pundits are saying we're going to have a pretty good 2014.

As I've said all along, I never believed in the investment in gold. It's now running a little over $1,200/oz today. The stock market has gained almost 28% this year.

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@woiyo,

You forget something very important about Clinton running for president; the majority of women will vote for her over Christie - in addition to minorities. That's going to be hard to overcome for any candidate running against Clinton.

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@cicerone imposter,

Maybe. Yet, I really think she represents "nothing new" or "the same old story". I think even women may be tired of her "act" as being the savior of the woman's movement. Well she has been around for over 20 years now and represents the "same old same old". She will bash the GOP, blame Bush, tell how mean the GOP is in denying woman's reproductive rights (hasn;t that been settled for 30 years now?), and on and on.

Christie, whether you like him or not, to me reflects a new approach which is telling it like it is, not what you want to hear. His opponents on the GOP side to me reflect similar traits to Hillary, same old GOP BS pandering to the extreme right or not being aggressive enough to tell the people what they actually believe (see Romney).

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@Moment-in-Time,

"Obama came to NJ promising much to help the residents recover. "

Not to get off topic, but I know many folks in NY and NJ still waiting for money to repair and recover form that storm. Congress is stalling (thanks R. Paul) and Obama seems to have forgotten how to lead the COngress to allow FEMA ro release money to those in need. Christie and Cuomo, to a point have thei hands tied, but they could be more aggressive in their attempts to get FEMA off their ass.

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@woiyo,

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Christie, whether you like him or not, to me reflects a new approach which is telling it like it is, not what you want to hear.

Chris Christi is a bona fide fraud; "his brashness is a two-edged sword." I live in New York where I'm employed and own a condo in NJ. I follow politics in both states, especially the Republican Christi in a blue state like New Jersey. Hypocrisy is the life-blood of this scheming politician.

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@woiyo,

woiyo wrote:

Maybe. Yet, I really think she represents "nothing new" or "the same old story". I think even women may be tired of her "act" as being the savior of the woman's movement. Well she has been around for over 20 years now and represents the "same old same old". She will bash the GOP, blame Bush, tell how mean the GOP is in denying woman's reproductive rights (hasn;t that been settled for 30 years now?), and on and on.

Christie, whether you like him or not, to me reflects a new approach which is telling it like it is, not what you want to hear. His opponents on the GOP side to me reflect similar traits to Hillary, same old GOP BS pandering to the extreme right or not being aggressive enough to tell the people what they actually believe (see Romney).

As you probably guess, Woiyo, I agree with MiT's take on this.

Christie may seem like someone "telling it like it is"...but to many of us here in New Jersey, it seems closer to just being a bullying boor.

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@woiyo,

Women's reproductive rights being taken away by the GOP men are not something women will forget. It impacts them and their daughters.

Women should also have the right to castigate all men - by law! Mr. Green

As ridiculous as that may sound, that's what the GOP is trying to do to women in many of the southern states. They're telling women, men know better about women's health and rights. We want to control your bodies.

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@Moment-in-Time,

I too own property in NJ and follow closely. Considering the past few Gov's in that State, how can anyone not feel better with Christie in office. The vast majority of Jersey voters seem to like him a lot. I suppose you liked the days of Corzine and McGreevey. Rolling Eyes

They told you what you wanted to hear in very nice tones. It was all a lie and you know it!

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@woiyo,

Christie had breathing problems. If that becomes common knowledge, how can he hope to win?

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@Frank Apisa,

"Christie may seem like someone "telling it like it is"...but to many of us here in New Jersey, it seems closer to just being a bullying boor. "

You may want to change that form MANY of us in NJ to A FEW of us in NJ.
My reply to you is ... GET OVER IT. I want one who will tell me exactly what they believe and tell me the truth. Christie has done so, so far.

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@cicerone imposter,

You guys making this stuff up or what? Laughing

What to lay some fat joke on us next?

Hillary has a truth/honesty problem. How can she hope to win?

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@Frank Apisa,

Quote:

The Weighty Issue That's Still a Drag on Chris Christie
Nov. 08, 2013
By MICHAEL FALCONE

Republican New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie waves as he celebrates his election victory in Asbury Park, N.J., Tuesday, Nov. 5, 2013, after defeating Democratic challenger Barbara Buono. Mel Evans/AP Photo
The day after his landslide re-election as governor of New Jersey, Chris Christie was swamped with questions about the next race he might run.

"It's complimentary. It's flattering, and I have no problem with it," Christie said at a news conference in Union City, N.J., on Wednesday, responding to speculation about his potential 2016 presidential bid. "But I want to be really clear about this: I have a job to do. I got re-elected to do a job last night, and that's the job I'm going to do."

WHAT TO KNOW
Almost as common as the chatter about Chris Christie's 2016 ambitious are the whispers about his weight.
But almost as ubiquitous as the chatter about Christie's White House ambitions are the whispers about another major issue: his weight.
It is, as the editors of Time magazine put it in the cover story of its new issue that came out Thursday, "the elephant in the room."

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@woiyo,

How can I "make this stuff up?"

https://www.google.com/search?q=chris+christie+breathing+problems&rlz=1C1PRFA_enUS427&oq=chritie's+breathing+problems&aqs=chrome.1.69i57j0.9141j0j8&sourceid=chrome&espv=210&es_sm=122&ie=UTF-8

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@cicerone imposter,

Also,
http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/weighty-issue-drag-chris-christie/story?id=20827423

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