Moment-in-Time
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 06:41 am
@cicerone imposter,
Quote:

You have to wonder about conservatives when they will take away unemployment benefits from people who can't find jobs, but still must feed and shelter their families.


Your entire message is spot on, Ci, but especially the above statement. Many politicians are reptilian in emotion, cruelly dispassionate. They will not allow human feelings to intrude on their greedy ambitious lust for power. What these cold-blooded political animals fail to realize that extending unemployment benefits will immediately pump this money right back into the economy where we all will benefit.

This very same "do-nothing" congress deliberately refuses to pass a Job's Bill, because that would make Obama look good. Yes, Ci, one does wonder what manner of creature they are.
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:00 am
@Moment-in-Time,
Moment-in-Time wrote:

This is a highly extraordinary article, detailing the baseness of this petty-minded New Jersey governor. I have posted your article, RexRed, in its entirety because surely it's worth the read if only to get one good solitary look at the very ugly side of some politicians, members of the human species, who by all accounts is a complex breed.

Quote:

No one likes a bully
12/26/13 11:00 AM—UPDATED 12/26/13 11:32 AM
By Steve Benen
Late Monday, New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie’s (R) top two appointees to the Port Authority, both of whom have since resigned, complied with subpoenas related to the ongoing bridge scandal. Soon after, state Assemblyman John Wisnieswki (D), chairman of the committee investigating the incident, acknowledged soon after that the probe will continue into 2014.

But while we wait for the process to continue and for the new materials to be scrutinized, one of the overarching questions is whether Christie could possibly be so petty as to cripple a community with paralyzing traffic, just to punish the local mayor for having refused to endorse him.

The evidence on the bridge controversy is still coming together, but Kate Zernike reported yesterday that Christie’s track record of bullying New Jersey officials for even minor slights is extraordinary.

In 2010, John F. McKeon, a New Jersey assemblyman, made what he thought was a mild comment on a radio program: Some of the public employees that Gov. Chris Christie was then vilifying had been some of the governor’s biggest supporters.

He was surprised to receive a handwritten note from Mr. Christie, telling him that he had heard the comments, and that he didn’t like them.

“I thought it was a joke,” Mr. McKeon recalled. “What governor would take the time to write a personal note over a relatively innocuous comment?”

But the gesture would come to seem genteel compared with the fate suffered by others in disagreements with Mr. Christie: a former governor who was stripped of police security at public events; a Rutgers professor who lost state financing for cherished programs; a state senator whose candidate for a judgeship suddenly stalled; another senator who was disinvited from an event with the governor in his own district.
The whole article is worth reading to appreciate just how thin-skinned the governor really is. The piece points to example after example of Christie using the power of his office to punish rivals – even other Republicans – who’ve offended him in minor and inconsequential ways.

To be sure, this is not proof that the governor ordered the lane closures that crippled Fort Lee in September. But if there are underlying doubts about what Christie is capable of when it comes to petty retribution, the available evidence paints a deeply unflattering portrait of an intemperate bully, willing to use the power of his administration to intimidate, punish, and harass.
In 2011, Mr. Christie held a news conference where he accused State Senator Richard J. Codey of being “combative and difficult” in blocking two nominees. Mr. Codey, a Democrat who had served as governor following the resignation of James E. McGreevey, responded that he had not only signed off on the nominations, but had held a meeting to try to hurry them along.

Three days later, Mr. Codey was walking out of an event in Newark when he got a call from the state police superintendent informing him that he would no longer be afforded the trooper who accompanied him to occasional public events – a courtesy granted all former governors. That same day, his cousin, who had been appointed by Mr. McGreevey to the Port Authority of New York and New Jersey, was fired, as was a close friend and former deputy chief of staff who was then working in the state Office of Consumer Affairs. […]

Later that year, the governor was pressing hard on Alan Rosenthal, the Rutgers political scientist whom Republicans and Democrats had chosen as the tiebreaking member of the commission that was redistricting the state’s legislative districts. Mr. Christie wanted Mr. Rosenthal to vote for the map put forward by the Republicans on the commission, but instead he chose the Democrats’ plan, saying it offered more stability. Soon after, Mr. Christie used his line-item veto to cut $169,000 for two programs at Mr. Rosenthal’s institute at Rutgers.
In one of the more salient examples, Zernike pointed to an incident between the governor’s office and the state firefighters’ union. Bill Lavin, representing the union, appeared on a radio show and thought he’d extend an olive branch, calling for new direct talks between the two sides. Bill Baroni, one of the Christie aides who recently resigned from the Port Authority, was then a Christie ally in the state Senate, and called Levin to deliver an obscene message from the governor in response.

“What he said a couple of times,” Lavin recalled, “was: ‘The governor told me to make sure you don’t get this message mixed up; say these exact words.’”

In other words, Christie wanted to push back against a perceived foe, so he called Bill Baroni to relay a specific, pointed response.

It’s a detail to keep in mind as the scandal continues to unfold.



Christie is a cancer on New Jersey. It amazes me that there are so many people who want to see the rest of the country infected with him.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:07 am
@Frank Apisa,
Assuming any of this is ENTIRELY true (which I doubt), you can compare this to say how OBAMA uses the IRS or the NSA to retaliate against his political "enemies". Find me any Politician who has not used the power and influence to silence their critics.

This by itself does no disqualify Christie as a viable candidate for President.
parados
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:16 am
@woiyo,
I would love to see your evidence of Obama ordering the NSA or the IRS to retaliate against anyone.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:36 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

Assuming any of this is ENTIRELY true (which I doubt), you can compare this to say how OBAMA uses the IRS or the NSA to retaliate against his political "enemies". Find me any Politician who has not used the power and influence to silence their critics.

This by itself does no disqualify Christie as a viable candidate for President.



At no point have I EVER suggested that Christie is disqualified as a viable candidate for president...no matter how absurd it would be for the people of the United States to infect our country with his like.

So I am not sure of your point.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:41 am
@parados,
Is that a picture of you reading a news paper? You must have missed those articles. The fact you even ask such a question is laughable !!!!!
parados
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:45 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

Is that a picture of you reading a news paper? You must have missed those articles. The fact you even ask such a question is laughable !!!!!

I ask that question because I DO read the newspaper. There is no actual evidence of Obama using the IRS or the NSA for political purposes. There are a lot of RWers running around making claims unsupported by evidence but no actual evidence. If you have some please provide it for us. Even Congress hasn't found any evidence to support your claim.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:46 am
@Frank Apisa,
You fail to see my point? Well I will say it again, FIND ME A POLITICIAN WHO DOES NOT USE THEIR POWER AND INFLUENCE TO SILENCE THEIR CRITICS.

I fail to see the point of the article. A politician using their power to silence critics? However, disgusting I (and you I suppose) find that to be, in this society, is has been the norm for over 200 years. Only today is it more out in the forefront of the media. So we hear about it every day, at all levels of Govt. From local politicians strong-arming Unions (or vice versa) all the way to Presidents using agencies or "advisers" to do their dirty work.

Democrats, republicans, makes no difference.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 09:50 am
@parados,
Right. Obamas hands are pure and clean. Give it a rest pal.

President Barack Obama knew of the organization’s spying on German Chancellor Angela Merkel – and approved of the efforts, a National Security Agency official has reportedly told a German newspaper.

The Economic Times writes the “high-ranking” NSA official spoke to Bild am Sonntag on the condition of anonymity, saying the president, “not only did not stop the operation, but he also ordered it to continue.”

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/27/obama-knew-nsa-spying-on-merkel-and-approved-it-report-says-944692234/
RexRed
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 10:00 am
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Smile
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Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 10:04 am
@woiyo,
Quote:
woiyo wrote:

You fail to see my point? Well I will say it again, FIND ME A POLITICIAN WHO DOES NOT USE THEIR POWER AND INFLUENCE TO SILENCE THEIR CRITICS.

I fail to see the point of the article. A politician using their power to silence critics? However, disgusting I (and you I suppose) find that to be, in this society, is has been the norm for over 200 years. Only today is it more out in the forefront of the media. So we hear about it every day, at all levels of Govt. From local politicians strong-arming Unions (or vice versa) all the way to Presidents using agencies or "advisers" to do their dirty work.

Democrats, republicans, makes no difference.


Woiyo...at no point have I ever suggested Christie should be disqualified as a viable candidate for president.

AND AT NO POINT have I ever suggested that there is a pool of politicians who do not use their powers and influence to quiet their critics...let alone a single politician who does not use his/her power and influence to silence his/her critics.

I did not even comment on the article.

So I am still not sure of your point.

MY POINT was that I consider Christie to be a miserable candidate for the office for a variety of reasons. I do not consider him a particularly good executive...or and especially decent, reasonable human being. I think promoting him to the executive office of the land from the executive office of this state...would be the wrong thing to do for America.

So what is your point?
Moment-in-Time
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 10:52 am
@parados,
Quote:

I would love to see your evidence of Obama ordering the NSA or the IRS to retaliate against anyone.


I agree with your statement. Surely there's a supporting link somewhere which suggest Obama is as vindictive as Chris Christie, the latter by the way, has used a big part of the money allocated to the Garden State for the Sandy hurricane upheaval to buy commercial TV time for his future run for president; a large part of the Sandy relief money has yet to be accounted for. Also, many parts of New Jersey looks the same damn way it did right after Sandy struck, pushing up the governor's ratings as if he is the second coming, and many families have yet to get back to normal. Yet Christi runs on the Sandy catastrophe the way Rudolph Giulliani ran on the tragedy of 9/11. Chris Christi is a overstuffed small-minded spiteful Governor. He is so transparently mean-spirited, a regular Jekyll and Hyde, that's its amazing he's gotten as far as he has.

Yet, Christi will be brought down from his pedestal....just you wait until the Dems finish INTRODUCING the NJ governor to the rest of the nation!

I recall graphically one town-hall meeting after Christi had cut funds to schools. One teacher asked him why he allowed his children to attend private schools yet insist on cutting public school funds. Christi in a very insulting way answered: "Where I send my children is none of your business"! From that moment I could not stand the obese governor.

Chisti intimidates people working for him and there is an atmosphere around Christi to toe the line or lose your job. HECK, YES! I believe he ordered the three lanes to be closed because this is the true picture of the man.
cicerone imposter
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:03 am
@Moment-in-Time,
With all the bad press Christie is now getting, I doubt he has any chance at winning the nomination. You can't alienate the people in your own state and hope the whole country will disregard that.

Christie's use of power only proves he's dangerous. His use of power is misplaced in every way!
parados
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:03 am
@woiyo,
Merkel is Obama's political enemy?

I won't hold my breath waiting for you to show us an instance of the NSA being ordered by Obama against a political enemy let alone the IRS.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:31 am
@Frank Apisa,
You may not have originally posted the article, but you used it a a reason he is a not a good candidate. In your opinion, he may be a bad candidate for whatever reasons you believe. My point is the accusations in that article, should not be used by you as a basis for your conclusion.
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:37 am
@parados,
Then why did he order the NSA to spy on her? Then he gets caught? The man and his "team" are amateurs. He gets caught in a lie in Benghazi, then gets caught in a lie with the IRS, then gets caught in a lie with NSA, then the lies of Obamacare.

Like all LW's, you fake naivety in your blind support of this team of amateurs. That makes you all look foolish.
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:43 am
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

You may not have originally posted the article, but you used it a a reason he is a not a good candidate. In your opinion, he may be a bad candidate for whatever reasons you believe. My point is the accusations in that article, should not be used by you as a basis for your conclusion.


How can you possibly come to the conclusion that I used the accusations in that article as the basis for my conclusions?

I live here in New Jersey...and I read and hear about our governor's actions every day.

I did not even mention the article.

It was included only because I hit the "quote" rather than "reply" option.

The entire of my comment was: " Christie is a cancer on New Jersey. It amazes me that there are so many people who want to see the rest of the country infected with him."
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 11:48 am
@Frank Apisa,
You quoted the article then made your statement underneath.

Hence, you must agree with the points made in the article and have used those points as PART of your reasoned conclusion. Not the only reason, but one of many reasons you do not fave Gov Christie.

Geepers, you are a thick headed Jersey Boy !!!
Frank Apisa
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 12:02 pm
@woiyo,
woiyo wrote:

You quoted the article then made your statement underneath.

Hence, you must agree with the points made in the article and have used those points as PART of your reasoned conclusion. Not the only reason, but one of many reasons you do not fave Gov Christie.

Geepers, you are a thick headed Jersey Boy !!!


If it makes you happy to suppose that because I quoted the article...I must agree with it...go for it. I want to see you happy.

If it makes you happy to suppose I am a boy...or that I am think-headed...go for it. I want to see you happy.

I have stated my opinion on Christie. You probably would be better off dealing with what I actually said...rather than what are pretending I meant.

My comment stands on its own...and says nothing
woiyo
 
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Fri 27 Dec, 2013 12:07 pm
@Frank Apisa,
Chew on this (yes, I know polls mean nothing, but..)
A new CNN poll finds that New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie (R) and former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton are essentially tied in a potential 2016 presidential matchup.

Christie gets the support of 48 percent of registered voters, a 2-point lead over Clinton's 46 percent, but one that is within the poll's 3-point margin of error.

http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/194044-christie-clinton-tied-again-in-new-presidential-poll
 

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