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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

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I find that surprising
What, you were naive enough to expect justice? Our system works on the principle that we make an example out of some men, with the expectation that the rest will eventually be scared enough of the law to never even seriously consider trying to have their way with women.

Usually the examples are men viewed as being of little importance and of few resources. Men with lots of perceived importance and lot of resources often walk away unscathed.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:22 pm
@firefly,
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I have read no mention of any prior behavior being raised in court today. Can you document your assertion that the prosecutors did that


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NEW YORK: IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn , who has been charged with sexual assault and attempted rape, had been involved in similar incidents "at least once," a New York court was told Monday.

There were "reports that he has engaged in conduct similar to this on at least one other occasion," the prosecutor told a New York court, just before the judge denied bail to the powerful head of the International Monetary Fund .
http://news.search.yahoo.com/search;_ylt=A2KJjbzJd9FN1jkAoi7QtDMD?p=imf&fr=news-us-ss&fr2=sort&sort=time&xargs=12KPjg1oBvy5a3vOHvKvjFTvXBhg9O0JC19d0uXsYsfIwUpX9sUfY_P_SU5YAlH7kl4wbx_cI%2E&pstart=17&b=51
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:27 pm
@engineer,
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Usually the examples are men viewed as being of little importance and of few resources. Men with lots of perceived importance and lot of resources often walk away unscathed.
Could this possibly be because I am correct that what the state does is not justice, thus when individuals come before the court in a position to properly defend themselves the state's position crumbles? Look at the difference for instance in the population of known illegal drug users and the population of those sitting in jail on drug charges. Look at the difference between the population of those convicted of crimes and the population of death row.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:43 pm
Another troubling point is the obligatory American "perp walk" which was conducted last night as DSK was taken from the Special Vicitims Unit for the night. There was not any neccesity for handcuffs to be used, it was done for the cameras , with the purpose of showing the accused in a poor light. This kind of crappola would never fly in Europe, with the possible exception of the UK. I think it was Walter who a few months ago was talking about how the Germans would never publicly name sex crimes suspects this early in the investigation, just like they dont name suspects of other crimes, as both the rights of the alleged aggressor and of the alleged victim are protected by the state of Germany. America cant do that however, as we have perps to nail, justice is expendable.

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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:48 pm
@hawkeye10,
I still don't understand why the D.A. would even mention possible prior acts at a bail hearing, since they are irrelevant and would not influence the judge--they weren't really making a case that he constitutes a possible danger to the community if left "at large", which would be the main reason to mention past allegations. The primary issue at the bail hearing was whether he is a flight risk.
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Strauss-Kahn's legal team had argued Strauss-Kahn's bail be $1 million, but the Manhattan DA's office argued, “He has almost no incentive to stay in this country and every incentive to leave. If he went to France, we would have no legal mechanism to guarantee his return to this country.“ Brafman had argued, "The defendant has an interest to clear his name. Life before the arrest will not be the same as after the arrest." ADA John McConnell, though, said, "Some of this information include reports that he has in fact engaged in conduct similar to the conduct alleged in this complaint on at least one other occasion," referring to an incident that occurred outside of the U.S.

The judge sided with the DA's office—"When I hear that your client was at J.F.K. Airport about to board a flight, that raises some concern"—and remanded the 62-year-old to police custody,
http://gothamist.com/2011/05/16/imf_head_denied_bail_lawyers_sugges.php#photo-1


Now it seems as though the forensic evidence may support the fact of some physical contact between Strauss-Kahn and the hotel maid because his lawyers seem to be moving toward a defense that it was a non-forcible consensual encounter--meaning that he is admitting contact took place.
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IMF chief to remain jailed, defense says alleged sex assault 'not consistent with a forcible encounter'
By LAURA ITALIANO
May 16, 2011

A Manhattan judge denied IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn bail today on charges he attempted to rape a hotel maid after his lawyers said during a court hearing that the alleged encounter was not "consistent with a forcible encounter."

"The evidence we believe will not be consistent with a forcible encounter," said defense lawyer Benjamin Brafman before a judge remanded his client to no bail.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/alleged_chief_lawyers_assault_proof_9TiXo7IQvMagjDE7PNFd7L


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Another troubling point is the obligatory American "perp walk" which was conducted last night as DSK was taken from the Special Vicitims Unit for the night. There was not any neccesity for handcuffs to be used, it was done for the cameras

No, it wasn't done for the cameras. The man is accused of several first degree felonies--the most serious class of crimes--all people so accused are handcuffed when being transported from one place to another. They can't have a separate set of rules for this man. Handcuffing helps to protect the officers accompanying the accused from being assaulted and it helps to prevent escapes.


BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:59 pm
@izzythepush,
We had a very one sided law where a male is name at first arrest or even before for that matter and the woman name is protected at all cost.

In this case some woman journalist had crawl out of the woodwork already and claimed she was assaulted by him years ago and it had been widely reported as fact.

Now no bail even if just taking away his passport and placing a GPS device on him should be more then enough to made sure he does not leave the country.

Someone does not wish him back at the IMF New York Headquarter it would seem and completely out of the loop on all the international funding decisions due in the next few weeks.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:09 pm
@izzythepush,
My my izzythepush your country placed two ten years old boys on trial as adults for rape and when the little girl on the stand admitted that here was no penetration or force used on her and in fact she was willing partner in playing doctor and yet the court still found them somehow guilty of attempted rape.

S0 your country is just as insane as mine on this subject.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:12 pm
@firefly,
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The term perp walk is an American slang term which refers to the police practice of intentionally parading an arrested suspect (or "perp", short for "perpetrator") through a public place so that the media may observe and record the event. The suspect is typically handcuffed or otherwise restrained, and is often dressed in prison garb.

In many countries, including the United States, it is common for arrested suspects to be concealed from public view while in police custody, so that the suspects' privacy and reputation is preserved prior to guilt being proved. However, transportation of an individual in police custody through a public place is often unavoidable in the normal course of police work.
A perp walk can be used with intentional disregard for the privacy of a suspect for the purpose of bolstering the image of law enforcement or to humiliate a suspect. Perp walks are often done to politicians or businesspeople accused of white-collar crimes (whose reputations may be susceptible to damage by public spectacle).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perp_walk
In this case we have the perp in cuffs, surrounded by a half dozen guys, paraded in front of the cameras. The reason is obvious. If there was ever a time for cuffs to be legitimately used is was as he was taken off of the plane. They were not.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:14 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Strauss-Kahn does the 'perp walk' in handcuffs: this sort of thing doesn't happen in France

If anyone was in any doubt about the enormous gulf that exists between how the French and American republics conduct their politics, then they need look no further than the harrowing image of Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the IMF chief and putative presidential candidate, being led away in handcuffs by a bunch of New York cops after being subjected to the indignity of a DNA test. In America this is called the “perp walk”, and it’s supposed to be humiliating.
This sort of thing simply doesn’t happen in France, where the sexual peccadilloes of its leading politicians are simply taken for granted. As my colleague Anne-Elisabeth Moutet wrote this morning, it was an open secret in France that Mr Strauss-Kahn had an eye for the ladies, and at one point tore off a young journalist’s bra when she took his fancy. No one ever thought to contact the police because this is the type of behaviour everyone in France expects of their politicians.
But if, as is now alleged by the Manhattan police authorities, Mr Strauss-Kahn sought to inflict his sexual urges on an unsuspecting chambermaid during a stay at an upmarket New York hotel, he has badly underestimated America’s brutal intolerance of what the French like to call crimes of passion.
Any attempt by a French policeman to handcuff a prominent politician would be tantamount to committing an act of treason. In America it doesn’t matter whether you are OJ Simpson or an international statesman of the stature of Mr Strauss Kahn: if the cops believe you’ve broken the law, you’ll soon find yourself paraded in public in handcuffs before being thrown in the slammer.
Clearly, so far as New York’s cops are concerned, there is no such thing as the entente cordial.
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/concoughlin/100088221/strauss-kahn-does-the-perp-walk-in-handcuffs-this-sort-of-thing-doesnt-happen-in-france/
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:16 pm
@BillRM,
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We had a very one sided law where a male is name at first arrest or even before for that matter and the woman name is protected at all cost.

Do you really think that they could possibly keep this man's name secret? Would you really want the whereabouts of the I.M.F. chief kept secret--when he's sitting in a jail cell in NYC? Wouldn't people wonder where he was? Shouldn't people have a right to know why he was arrested, given the position he holds?

The name of the hotel maid will eventually leak out because of the intense interest in this case. That's why I feel sorry for her--her privacy, and her life, and her child's life, will be completely invaded and upended--and she's not the one accused of any wrong doing. The woman in the Polanski case said her life became hell after his arrest because of the constant media focus on her. The rape shield laws have a necessary purpose, but, in very high profile cases, the names of the alleged victims always manage to leak out.

ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:16 pm
@hawkeye10,
You're certainly providing commentary that's making him sound worse and worse. I guess the American collective doesn't stand for this sort of behaviour.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:18 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
Wouldn't people wonder where he was?


interesting question. would the general public have known or cared that he was missing if he had just disappeared from view quietly?
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:21 pm
@hawkeye10,
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In America it doesn’t matter whether you are OJ Simpson or an international statesman of the stature of Mr Strauss Kahn: if the cops believe you’ve broken the law, you’ll soon find yourself paraded in public in handcuffs before being thrown in the slammer.


Except for really serious crimes like genocide/mass murder/torture/the rape that goes with mass murder and torture.

Those folks are given pensions and have things named after them. Strange sense of "justice" indeed!
JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:22 pm
@ehBeth,
Nope, they're used to illegal renditions.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:23 pm
@ehBeth,
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You're certainly providing commentary that's making him sound worse and worse.
I dont know how, nor do I care. My main interest is not DSK, it is the rest of us. The vengeful and opportunistic American people driving a "justice" system which does very poorly in delivering justice requires comment.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:31 pm
@hawkeye10,
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In America it doesn’t matter whether you are OJ Simpson or an international statesman of the stature of Mr Strauss Kahn: if the cops believe you’ve broken the law, you’ll soon find yourself paraded in public in handcuffs before being thrown in the slammer.

So, they are treating him just like everyone else--as they should. The man is accused of several first degree felonies--assaultive felonies--and those are the most serious class of crimes. Handcuffing was not done to humiliate him--it is standard procedure used when transporting all people who are so accused. And this wasn't a "perp walk" he was being transported from one location to another in order to go back to his cell. When they transport him to the courthouse they must also handcuff him, although they can remove the cuffs when he is actually before the judge,

So, what's your point? Are you upset they are treating him no differently than everyone else?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:32 pm
@JTT,
JTT wrote:

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In America it doesn’t matter whether you are OJ Simpson or an international statesman of the stature of Mr Strauss Kahn: if the cops believe you’ve broken the law, you’ll soon find yourself paraded in public in handcuffs before being thrown in the slammer.


Except for really serious crimes like genocide/mass murder/torture/the rape that goes with mass murder and torture.

Those folks are given pensions and have things named after them. Strange sense of "justice" indeed!
I did not make the comment in the quote. However, the American "justice" system is used to get the people whom we want to get, often on an emotional basis. When we dont care enough to pay attention the political leaders often write the laws as the corporate class who have corrupted them want the laws to be written, to protect their interests. We see over and over again that our system does not protect the liberty of the individual nor does it deliver justice.

Let's take a count of the number of people who are now sitting for judgement for their part in the frauds that heavily contributed to the Great Recessions shall we?? Or not. Americans are sheep.....easily manipulated into our pens, readied for slaughter.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:38 pm
@firefly,
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The name of the hotel maid will eventually leak out because of the intense interest in this case. That's why I feel sorry for her--her privacy, and her life, and her child's life, will be completely invaded and upended--and she's not the one accused of any wrong doing.


One of the two had broken the law and we as yet to know which one had done so.

The sad part of this if she did bring false charges it is a minor misdemeanor that is seldom it ever even prosecuted at that level.

The worst example that come to mind is the dancer/hooker who turn three Duke students lives upside down with false charges of rape and then were allow to walk away with zero charges.

She then went on to try to kill one boyfriend by setting their apartment on fire and then did end up killing another boyfriend by knifing him.

I guess destroying the lives of three innocent men was not enough of a crime to care about but at least we draw the line at murder at least we do for now.

The batter woman defense is gaining ground where if a woman can claimed she was being abused then she have the right to kill the man in his sleep.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:42 pm
@firefly,
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So, what's your point? Are you upset they are treating him no differently than everyone else?
Amongst other reasons, yes. Humans are not the Borg, you can not get to justice with a cookbook. You need to have smart people looking at each individual and each situation and have them make the call. Americans are increasingly not able to do this, what with our mandatory minimums and all the other micromanaging of the courts that is carried out by the other two branches of government, in essence handing the courts cookbooks to follow . But let the Supreme court become politicized and also corrupted by the corporate interests and our leaders all become SGT Schultz with "I see NOTHING!"

We have lost our way big time.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 02:45 pm
@ehBeth,
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interesting question. would the general public have known or cared that he was missing if he had just disappeared from view quietly?

He had been due in Germany yesterday to meet with Chancellor Angela Merkel, she would have raised questions if he didn't show up. I think the general public in France would have cared if he just disappeared from view for an extended period.

I probably would not have known, or cared, if he had just disappeared from view.
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