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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
msolga
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:38 am
@hawkeye10,
Would that be the usual procedure (for everyone else) facing such charges?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:54 am
So far, they are treating him like everyone else accused of this type of crime.
Quote:

The New York Times
May 15, 2011
Police Seek Evidence From I.M.F. Chief on Sex Attack
By MOSI SECRET

Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the leader of the International Monetary Fund, spent most of Sunday at the Manhattan Special Victims Unit in East Harlem as prosecutors sought additional evidence, including possible DNA evidence on his skin or beneath his fingernails, to bolster allegations that he had sexually assaulted a maid in a $3,000-a-night suite at a Midtown hotel, officials said.

Shortly before 11 p.m., Mr. Strauss-Kahn, 62, wearing a black jacket and pants and a gray shirt, and looking haggard, was taken from the Special Victims Unit, near the Robert F. Kennedy Memorial Bridge, in handcuffs.

About an hour before that, his lawyers, William Taylor and Benjamin Brafman, emerged from Manhattan Criminal Court in Lower Manhattan and announced that Mr. Strauss-Kahn had agreed to “a scientific forensic examination tonight.” Mr. Taylor, who described his client as “tired but fine,” provided no other details but said that Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s arraignment would not take place until Monday, nearly 48 hours after he was taken off an Air France plane at Kennedy International Airport just as it was to take off for Paris on Saturday afternoon.

The long wait for Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s arraignment unfolded as an international corps of reporters, photographers and camera crews were deployed both in East Harlem and at Criminal Court. Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s accuser picked him out of a lineup and new details emerged on how he came to be taken into custody.

The authorities said they had moved to obtain a court order granting them a search warrant to examine Mr. Strauss-Kahn for signs of injury that he might have suffered during a struggle or for traces of his accuser’s DNA.

“Things like getting things from under the fingernails,” a law enforcement official explained, “the classic things you get in association with a sex assault.”

The official, who insisted on anonymity because the investigation was continuing, added that since the authorities believed there was a high likelihood that Mr. Strauss-Kahn would be allowed to post bail, investigators feared that he might leave the country with whatever clues his person might yield.

As the court order was being sought, the woman who told the police on Saturday that she had been attacked by Mr. Strauss-Kahn identified him in the lineup, the police said.

After identifying Mr. Strauss-Kahn about 4:30 p.m., the woman, a maid at the Sofitel New York on West 44th Street, where Mr. Strauss-Kahn was a guest, left the Special Victims Unit in a police van. A blanket was covering her head.

The police were called to the hotel about 1:30 on Saturday, but when they arrived, Mr. Strauss-Kahn had already checked out. At some point, Mr. Strauss-Kahn called the hotel and said that his cellphone was missing. Police detectives then coached hotel employees to tell him, falsely, that they had the telephone, according to the law enforcement official. Mr. Strauss-Kahn said he was at Kennedy Airport and about to get on a plane.

The police have provided few details about the woman at the center of the case beyond saying she was 32 and an African immigrant.

According to the law enforcement official, the woman entered Mr. Strauss-Kahn’s suite early Saturday afternoon by saying “housekeeping.” She heard no answer and believed that the suite was unoccupied. She left the door open behind her, as is hotel policy.

She went to the bedroom and a naked man rushed from the bathroom to the bedroom. She apologized, the law enforcement official said, and tried to leave.

But according to the official, the man chased her, grabbed her and shut the door, locking it. He then pulled her toward the bedroom, the official said, and tried to attack her there.

He dragged her to the bathroom, the official added, and forced her to perform oral sex. The police said the woman eventually escaped from the suite and reported the attack to other hotel personnel, who called 911.

The woman lives in the Bronx with a daughter who is in her teens. The building’s superintendent said she moved in a few months ago.

“They’re good people,” said one neighbor, another African immigrant. “Every time I see her I’m happy because we’re both from Africa. She’s never given a problem for nobody. Never noisy. Everything nice.”

At the Sofitel New York, a maid, who refused to give her name, described the woman as friendly. “In the world, she is a good person,” she said.

The maid added that her superiors had asked other hotel employees not to question the woman about what happened.

“The office said, ‘Don’t ask too much because she is sad,’ ” the maid said. “Just give her a hug when she comes back.”

A guest at the hotel, Mortem Meier, 36, a sales director visiting from Norway, said the livery driver who drove Mr. Strauss-Kahn to Kennedy Airport was also his driver on Saturday night.

“He said Strauss-Kahn was in a huge hurry,” Mr. Meier recalled. “He wanted to leave as soon as possible. He looked upset and stressed, the driver said...”

Ira Judelson, a bail bondsman involved in the case, said earlier in the day that a comprehensive bail package would establish specifics of where Mr. Strauss-Kahn would stay as the case proceeded. He added that the bail amount could be in the millions of dollars.

Mr. Brafman, a prominent New York criminal lawyer, has represented the hip-hop impresario Sean Combs, the Manhattan jeweler Jacob Arabov and Plaxico Burress, the New York Giants wide receiver.
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/16/nyregion/maid-picks-imf-chief-as-attacker-in-lineup.html?hp=&pagewanted=print


Well, they have a witness who says that Strauss-Kahn was in a huge hurry when he left the hotel, and that he looked stressed and upset.

It occured to me how terrified the African immigrant hotel maid might be to find herself suddenly caught up in all of this. Not only will she find herself hounded by the media, she will likely have Strauss-Kahn's formidable legal team out to destroy her credibility and reputation. She might want to see this over as soon as possible because her life might become extremely difficult in the ensuing weeks and months.

If they uncover any forensic evidence to support an assault, or even any evidence of physical contact, of any kind, between the two parties, then this woman's testimony would be even more credible to a jury--since he's apparently denying that anything happened between them. I wonder then if this won't end with Strauss-Kahn buying her off--in a situation similar to the Kobe Bryant case, or even the Polanski case. She could file a civil suit, Strauss-Kahn could agree to a large settlement with her, the terms could be kept private, and she could then refuse to testify against him in a criminal trial, saying she couldn't deal with the stress of the whole ordeal, or something to that effect. That's another possible outcome in this case.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 05:53 am
@roger,
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You think they would accept my promise to return? Or yours?


If France agree to send him back where the hell do you think he can run to he the head of the damn IMF so it would be a little hard for him to run and hide.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 05:59 am
@firefly,
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We won't know whether he is guilty of the charges in this case until all the evidence emerges and the criminal case runs its course. But there is absolutely no reason right now to assume his accuser his lying. We just have to wait and see how this plays out.


Just the timing of trillions of dollars at stake and the welfare of whole nation states with him being a major player along with because of him his party had a very good chance of coming to power in France for the first time in 40 years.

No reason as all to question this matter and treat it as a normal charge os sexual assault....BULLSHIT
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 06:02 am
@firefly,
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If the complainant did not appear credible, they wouldn't have arrested this man. There is no reason the D.A. should immediately be looking for a way out.


BULLSHIT..................
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 06:09 am
@firefly,
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Hawkeye and BillRM seem to believe that social status somehow makes one human life more important or more valuable than another


Somehow I question that a man who had reached the age of 62 years wihout being charge with any crime of any nature had turn into a mad and very very stupid rapist one morning in NYC.

Oh and looking at his picture he is not been going to a gym and any 30s something woman should be able to wipe the floor with him

Of course he is a male who had have an affair with a member of his staff so that is enough for Firefly.

Firefly if this turn into some kind of a set up then your whole program of assuming men are guilty at the word of any female no matter how unlikely will take one hell of a hit.
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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 06:48 am
When this was reported on the BBC the main thing that stood out was that he was named. If it had happened over here the police would not have named him yet, they would just say that a man has been arrested. In any event unless the charges are dropped within the next 48 hours his chances of running for president are finished. We have quite strong laws relating to reporting of a case that is sub judice, that is, not yet been tried. I'm not trying to say our laws are better than yours, there is a huge controversy over here about the use of superinjunctions, where the rich and famous use EU law to gag the press. As I live in the UK were I to name some of the names I've read on twitter on this post I could be done for contempt of court.

Having just read all of this thread could some of you be suited to sit on a jury in this case? A lot of you seem to have made your minds up already. The only evidence that is admissable is that which is decided in a court of law, and the more allegations and rumours that come out about both the accused and the plaintiff the harder it will be for him to get a fair trial, if and when the courts decide that will be the case. I'm not arguing one way or the other, I just thought I'd like to throw this into the debate.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 07:14 am
@izzythepush,
i would be very up front about my inability to sit on a jury of anyone who was a politician, lawyer, banker or religious figure, i just figure if they're suspected, it's a good probability they're guilty (and certainly guilty of something if not the crime in question)
engineer
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 08:58 am
My take:

- All we really know is that a man has been accused of sexual assult and the police found the allegations to have sufficient merit to execute an arrest.
- I really don't think that this man is a big cog in the IMF as relavent to the criminal pursuit of the case. As a source of speculation on a chat board, it makes interesting fodder. Likewise his reputation in France. Of course people are going to talk about it.
- The idea that because of his position he should get special consideration is laughable. If he had walked into a jewelry store and walked out with several thousand dollars of jewelry without paying aka Lohan, I doubt anyone would believe that the shop owner should eat the loss because this guy is important, but because it is a sex crime, some seem to want to give him a pass even though the crime he is accused of is a violent one.
- The complaint that "erotic" behavior between adults is criminalized is not pertinent. Nothing here suggests that what is alleged to have happened consisted of behavior between consenting adults. As far as I know even the alleged perpetrator has not made any such claim.
- I don't think this guy being out of action for the time necessary to investigate the claim will have any impact on the IMF. Even if he was a critical decision maker, he is not being held incommunicado.
- The idea that we should let him go to France and trust him to return is a bit silly given the Polanski case. If he leaves the US, he is not coming back. If he is guilty of what he is charged with, timing his assult just before leaving the country might have been on purpose.
- The concept that a 30 year old woman would clean the floor with a 60 year old man can be refuted by walking into any health club. You can sit at any weight bench or machine and watch a fit woman work out with at one weight then see an overweight, middle aged guy follow her and set the weight at a level two or three times higher. That's not saying that every overweight 60 year old guy can take down every 30 year old woman, but I have no difficulty believing that in most cases that is true.

So why would a successful, powerful man do something stupid like assulting a maid? Got me. Would the governor of NY ever hire prostitutes? Would a conservative senator proposition a police officer in an airport bathroom? Would successful evangelical leaders get caught with prostitutes, male or female? Would a congressman send suggestive messages to male pages? Seems stupid, happens regularly. At this point, we have no reason to doubt the alleged victim just because her alleged attacker is a big wig. I'm content to let the investigation move forward. This guy will have bail today and can sit in his high priced NY hotel running the IMF while the wheels of justice move forward.
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JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 09:33 am
@djjd62,
Whose comment do you think is dumber, BillRM's in just his last post or yours here, dj?
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 11:21 am
The Judge has for now denied bail to Strauss-Kahn.. He has been deemed a flight risk, and the judge rejected the defense's suggestion that he wear an ankle bracelet. So, he will remain in jail for the time being.

In addition, a lawyer for Tristane Banon, the French writer who alleges that Strauss-Kahn sexually assaulted her in 2002, has said that she may now file a formal legal complaint against him. NY prosecutors have said they will also be looking into her allegations.

He is not receiving any special treatment thus far. When first brought into the courtroom this morning, he sat on a bench surrounded by the other defendants who were waiting for their docket numbers to be called.

This is the full criminal complaint against him:
http://www.businessinsider.com/strauss-kahn-criminal-complaint-2011-5

If convicted of the most serious charges, he could face up to 25 years in prison.

Meanwhile, one French media outlet is reporting that Strauss-Kahn's lawyers are preparing an alibi that will show he was elsewhere at the time of the alleged assault.
Quote:
Lawyers for Dominique Strauss-Kahn have proof the IMF chief was at a restaurant having lunch with his daughter at the time he was alleged to be sexually assaulting a hotel maid, France's RMC radio reported on Monday.
RMC said the lawyers had pieced together Strauss-Kahn's movements and found that he left the hotel at midday, after paying his bill and handing in his key, then went to eat with his daughter and took a taxi to the airport.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/16/us-strausskahn-alibi-idUSTRE74F35M20110516

But, if that report of an alibi is true, wouldn't the hotel have been aware he had already checked out before the maid reported being attacked by him? Why would anyone, including the police, have believed her story if he wasn't even in the hotel at the time? So, I'm not sure that the alibi story makes any sense, if in fact it is even true.

izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 11:45 am
This is quite depressing, there's just been an interview on the BBC with the Paris correspondent. He was interviewed at the same time as a female French journalist, (I'm sorry I didn't catch any names.) She pretty much said that he was exaggerating, but she did not really challenge the different attitude and culture between France and Britain (and by extension America, sorry but this is the BBC).

He said that there was a general culture of denial in France, especially within the Socialist party heirachy. They're trying to portay it as French laissez-faire as opposed to Anglo-Saxon Prurience. A senior member of the Socialist party even questioned what the maid was doing in Strauss-Kahn's room. The correspondent then said that even were Strauss-Kahn to be convicted he would probably return to France as a bit of a folk hero, a victim of a miscarriage of justice rather than a convicted rapist, and that he would be able to sell his story for a lot of money. He said that Polanski has something of a folk hero status among some quarters, and so does the French singer in the article in The Times reproduced below.

From The Times October 17, 2007

Anger as rock star Bertrand Cantat who murdered girlfriend is freed after four yearsCharles Bremner in Paris
One of France’s biggest rock stars was released from prison yesterday after serving half of an eight-year sentence for killing his actress girlfriend in a jealous rage over a text message.

Bertrand Cantat, 43, lead singer of the left-wing group Noir Désir, was driven by his band’s drummer from a Toulouse jail to his country home at midnight. Feminist campaigners decried what they said was leniency towards men who battered women.

Cantat became the centre of a lurid drama in July 2003 when he punched and slapped Marie Trintignant, 41, in an hotel room in Vilnius, the Lithuanian capital. They had quarrelled over a text message that Ms Trintignant, a mother of four and the daughter of Jean-Louis Trintignant, a 1960s film idol, had received from her former husband. She struck her head on a radiator and died in a Paris hospital a week later.

Cantat pleaded that he never meant to kill but was convicted of murder in Vilnius and returned to France in 2004. A court last month approved his release on condition that he received regular psychological counselling and refrained from public reference to the murder in interviews or in music. Olivier Metzner, Cantat’s lawyer, said that the singer was thrilled to be free. “But it is not over for him. He will continue to bear the burden of guilt, which he has never sought to deny,” he said.

Nadine Trintignant, the victim’s mother, failed to persuade President Sarkozy and judges to block the early release. “This will be a worrying signal to all those who are struggling to ensure that violence against women is justly punished,” Ms Trintignant, a film director, wrote to Judge Philippe Laflaquière.

She criticised the release on Monday as she inaugurated a home for battered women in Paris with Bertrand Delanoë, the Mayor. “Under the law, a man who kills his companion should be sentenced to 20 or 25 years or life. But they never get more than eight and usually they only do four,” said Ms Trintignant, who, before her daughter’s death, was making a TV film starring her.

La Meute (The Pack), a feminist organisation, said that Cantat’s release sent the wrong signal to men in France, where one woman was killed every three days by a partner. “Four years — is that the price to pay for such a crime?” asked La Meute. “So-called crimes of passion are still too often considered with indulgence.”

Cantat’s lawyers and Mr Laflaquière noted that being released for good behaviour after serving half a sentence was standard in France. “Contrary to certain claims in the media, Bertrand Cantat has benefited in no way whatsoever from favourable treatment,” Mr Laflaquière said.

Cantat has been reunited with the wife from whom he was estranged in 2003. He has paid compensation to two of Ms Trintignant’s four children and to the production company behind the TV film, in which she played the author Colette. The money was raised partly by receipts from a live album released by Noir Désir while Cantat was in prison.

The house to which he returned yesterday has been repaired after being badly damaged by arsonists four years ago.

JTT
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 11:54 am
@firefly,
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But, if that report of an alibi is true, wouldn't the hotel have been aware he had already checked out before the maid reported being attacked by him? Why would anyone, including the police, have believed her story if he wasn't even in the hotel at the time? So, I'm not sure that the alibi story makes any sense, if in fact it is even true.


Nice balanced approach, seems right in line with your frequent spoutings about innocent until proven guilty.

You seem to be more than willing to believe the whitewash that was the 9-11 Commission Report and that same whitewash that NIST brought out.

Quote:
He is not receiving any special treatment thus far.


Compare this to the special treatment that has been accorded the Bush gang of war criminals, Firefly. Could you direct me to your posts on how those war criminals ought to be handled?
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Irishk
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:00 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:
But, if that report of an alibi is true, wouldn't the hotel have been aware he had already checked out before the maid reported being attacked by him? Why would anyone, including the police, have believed her story if he wasn't even in the hotel at the time? So, I'm not sure that the alibi story makes any sense, if in fact it is even true.

I think those kind of details will be pretty easy to confirm or dispel. There've been other reports of statements by the limo driver and another passenger when he was driven to the airport. So...will we see both a limo driver and a taxi driver fighting over who took him to the airport?
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engineer
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:15 pm
@firefly,
firefly wrote:

The Judge has for now denied bail to Strauss-Kahn.. He has been deemed a flight risk, and the judge rejected the defense's suggestion that he wear an ankle bracelet. So, he will remain in jail for the time being.

I find that surprising. Without a passport and with his notoriety, I can't see him easily leaving the country and getting caught leaving would be pretty bad.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:27 pm
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Yesterday, I was watching the news on a TV with no sound in a hotel fitness center in Las Vegas when a picture of IMF Director Dominique Strauss-Kahn appeared over the caption, “Banker Arrested.”

Now, I understand the difficulty of characterizing the IMF since it’s an institution still with us long after its raison d’etre disappeared. However, a bank it is not; so it’s director is not a banker.

You can call Mr. Strauss-Kahn many things, but banker would have been way down on my list of possibilities. Sadly, however, the press apparently wanted a negative connotation, and what could be more negative these days than “banker,” especially with “evildoer” out of fashion. I’m not sure why they didn’t go all the way with the usual “fat cat banker.”

No wonder major bank stocks these days are inversely related to their improving numbers. I guess that will continue as long as banker is the default term for evil
http://blogs.forbes.com/beltway/2011/05/16/slur-against-strauss-kahn-calling-him-a-banker/

Also, I can not recall seeing a single account that does not mention the scene of the alleged crime being "a$ 3,000 per night" suite, as if the price paid for the room has anything to do with the alleged crime. This seems to fit right in with Spendius's claim the the media is driving the male bashing, as there is here not even the veneer of even handedness.

Today in court the prosecutors laid waste to the claim that this case should be judged on the facts of this case, as they felt the need to mention an unproven allegation of his behavior ten years ago. We hear over and over again that it does not matter what the woman might have done before, in fact laws often forbid the court from ever hearing of the alleged victims past behavior....again showing how the rules have been written in the interest of injustice, to get those whom we want to get.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:31 pm
@engineer,
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I find that surprising
What, you were naive enough to expect justice? Our system works on the principle that we make an example out of some men, with the expectation that the rest will eventually be scared enough of the law to never even seriously consider trying to have their way with women.
djjd62
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:32 pm
@hawkeye10,
should have stayed at a motel six and hired some hookers
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 12:54 pm
@djjd62,
djjd62 wrote:

should have stayed at a motel six and hired some hookers
It is pretty clear that this guy has a power itch,and if so hookers would not have scratched it. In the 2002 event the claim is that he texted the woman several times after asking "are you scared of me yet?" and with his IMF bimbo the claim (from her) is that he went after her because he could exercise his position, use his power to force a mark to submit to him sexually. While it is very difficult to know the truth here because his power (soon to be former) attracts attacks upon him, there are indications that his kink crosses into territory that I would deem criminal.
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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 16 May, 2011 01:03 pm
@hawkeye10,
Quote:
Also, I can not recall seeing a single account that does not mention the scene of the alleged crime being "a$ 3,000 per night" suite, as if the price paid for the room has anything to do with the alleged crime. This seems to fit right in with Spendius's claim the the media is driving the male bashing, as there is here not even the veneer of even handedness.

I think that the cost of the suite is mentioned for several reasons--none of which have to do with "male-bashing". That you would even think of it as "male-bashing" is somewhat crazy, since the media is largely controlled by men. You are going out of your way to look for unfair treatment of men, and that distorts your ability to evaluate situations more objectively.

Strauss-Kahn has been attacked by his political opponents in France for his high-spending extremely lavish lifestyle for quite some time. Among other things, it is seen as somewhat unseemly for a Socialist. So, mention of the fact that he was staying alone in a $3000 a night suite, is just another documentation of how high on the hog he chooses to live--and this was an already existing issue for him concerning a possible run for the presidency of France.
Also, by mentioning the cost, and the fact it was a suite, it makes it clear that the alleged assault did not take place in a small space, like a single hotel room--there was room to chase a person down a hall and drag someone from one room to another. This was not a flea bag hotel. That an alleged assault might take place in a luxury NYC hotel is newsworthy in and of itself.
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Today in court the prosecutors laid waste to the claim that this case should be judged on the facts of this case, as they felt the need to mention an unproven allegation of his behavior ten years ago.

I have read no mention of any prior behavior being raised in court today. Can you document your assertion that the prosecutors did that? It would make little sense for them to do so because it is not germane to the current complaint, and would have no influence on an arraignment procedure. I posted a link to the actual criminal complaint against Strauss-Kahn in my last post--that is what will be presented in court to document the charges against him--prior acts on his part do not figure in.


 

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