Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@ABE5177,

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there's no judge and jury any longer??

excellent. so there should be a judge and jury before arrests are made. excellent.

@firefly,

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What a wonderful country we live in! We regard the word of even a menial hotel maid, on a par with the importance of anyone else's word. We do not disregard a person's word because of their lowly socio-economic status. And we do not hesitate to arrest the rich and powerful--the elite--when they are accused of breaking the law, even when their accuser is only "a maid".

And we do not do any investiagation beyond the woman word either but rush to arrested him.

Lovely way to ruin innocent men lives.

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@ehBeth,

you cant read go bacvk and read

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@firefly,

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And you have no idea of the evidence that the Special Victims Unit sex crimes division, and the Manhattan D.A.'s sex crimes unit, considered before making that arrest. You are talking about one of the most highly regarded police sex crimes divisions in the country, and a D.A.'s office with the oldest sex crimes unit in the country--you can't find law enforcement with more experience investigating and prosecuting sex crimes anywhere in the U.S..

Sorry Firefly I am not impress with police work that had him madly fleeing the country when a simple phone call to the airline would had told them he had book that flight for over a damn week.

Here we got a man according to these experts fleeing the scene of a rape and yet he call that scene and told them where he was and ask them to try to get his cell phone to him.

There was a rush to judgement on the word of the maid and the maid alone so yes we live in a wonderful country when any woman can ruin a man name and life on her word alone.

No need to do any investigation first.............

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@Irishk,

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Law enforcement can't just let him go because he says he didn't do it.

It might be nice however if law enforcement had taken the time to get the facts they base their arrest on correct such as he was on a flight that was booked over a week before and he took no trouble to hid his location.

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@BillRM,

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firefly wrote:

. They believed, on the basis of all of the evidence available to them, that Strauss-Kahn had commited crimes of sexual assault--and that was why they arrested him.

there's no judge and jury any longer??

this is new now police decisdes who's guilty of a crime
forget the coursts

where did all thos stupid women come from?
the USSR??

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@ehBeth,

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excellent. so there should be a judge and jury before arrests are made. excellent

.

It might however be nice if they had gotten thier facts correct by say making a few phones calls before arresting the man.

Yes that is asking one hell of a lot to not rush to judgment every time a woman cry rape.

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@BillRM,

no no no

this doesn't just apply to rape

anytime the police want to make an arrest - of any sort - judge and jury first

same dealio for everyone

abe's got a delightful plan

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@BillRM,

They took him in for questioning before he could leave the country.
If they had let the plane go, chances are, with his connections and influence you'd have never seen him on American soil again.
Once in the police station, he was forensically examined, his entire body. This would strongly suggest that the complainant had made a statement saying that she put up a fight and that he would have the marks to prove it.
That they then charged him would also suggest that they found corroborating evidence, or that his story didn't stand up to questioning, or both.

Anyway, for the Police Department to go ahead and formally charge such a worlwide prominent figure, as sure as eggs is eggs they felt that they had enough evidence against him to ensure a succesful prosecution, bearing in mind that if the case falls apart, he would have the financial clout to hire the best compensation lawyers there are, and leave the Police Chief with nothing but his underpants and his whistle at the end of it all, metaphorically speaking.

Wait for the trial and see what transpires. I bet you a pound to a penny that the guy had scratches and grazes all over.

Consensual my arse!

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@ehBeth,

Well dear heart we surely do need to made some damn changes as it seem that we can not trust the police department in a major city to even do some mild facts checking before arresting and doing a perp walk on a man.

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@Old Goat,

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They took him in for questioning before he could leave the country.
If they had let the plane go, chances are, with his connections and influence you'd have never seen him on American soil again.

And for this they needed to arrest him and do a perp walk first?

Have you seen any indication that they had ask him to delay his flight and talk to them and he had refused to do so?

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@BillRM,

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And we do not do any investiagation beyond the woman word either but rush to arrested him.

You are just demonstrating your ignorance of police and D.A. procedures regarding evaluation of evidence. As I said before...

You have no idea of the evidence that the Special Victims Unit sex crimes division, and the Manhattan D.A.'s sex crimes unit, considered before making that arrest. You are talking about one of the most highly regarded police sex crimes divisions in the country, and a D.A.'s office with the oldest sex crimes unit in the country--you can't find law enforcement with more experience investigating and prosecuting sex crimes anywhere in the U.S..

All the police and D.A. needed, to make an arrest, was a conviction that the report of the maid was highly credible, because it was corroborated by additional evidence. They believed, on the basis of all of the evidence available to them, that Strauss-Kahn had committed crimes of sexual assault--and that was why they arrested him. And, given the exceptional expertise and experience of this particular police division, and this particular D.A.'s office in the area of sex crimes, it did not take them very long to evaluate that evidence and arrive at a decision to make an arrest.

You don't have the evidence that the police and D.A. had available to them, which was more than just the woman's word, but you feel sure that this very highly experienced group of sex crime investigators and prosecutors naively and gullibly and unquestioningly swallowed a story from a "mere hotel maid", and made an unjustified arrest based only on her account. Even the defense attorneys are not carrying on that the arrest was unjustified, but you know more than they do too, don't you? Rolling Eyes

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Lovely way to ruin innocent men lives.

Who says he's innocent--beside you, of course. He has the legal presumption of innocence, but that doesn't mean he's not possibly guilty. He was arrested, charged, and indicted, on the presumption that he may well have committed these crimes.

Doesn't the possibly of his guilt ever cross your mind? Have you already acquitted him?

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@BillRM,

"Well dear heart we surely do need to made some damn changes as it seem that we can not trust the police department in a mjor city to even do some mild facts checking before arresting and doing a perp walk on a man."

You appear to be a bit of a twonk, if I may be so bold.
IF the man is half the things that people from his past say that he is, and IF he planned to have his wicked way with a mere chambermaid, probably being arrogant enough to assume that she would either be too frightened to talk, or that nobody would believe her if she did.......precisely WHEN do you think would be the best time to jump her?
Just before he was about to leave the country, perhaps?

I'll let that sink in for a sec to let your cogs start whirring..........

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OK, the fact that he had booked that flight a whole week before, in my suspicious mind, actually makes me think that he chose that precise chance to jump all over her, as he knew he just about had time to rough her up, scare the shite out of her, make his deposit and immediately bugger off into the wild blue yonder.
If she had entered his room half an hour later, he'd have probably already realised that his plan was running way too late and, although it was a dissapointing second option, he would probably have already managed to relieve himself with the aid of the hotel porn channel.
The only inconvenience that she then would have encountered, would have been to clear away his kleenex.

You should not underestimate the sheer arrogance of this guy.

You must also realise that it is VERY believable, from various accounts from his past, that he would seem to be a serious sexual predator, who has form for getting his rocks off, having rough sex with prostitutes.

The final thing that must be mentioned is that France has a very strict privacy thing going on with all of their powerful movers and shakers. I again would bet that similar stuff like this has happened on his home turf, but it has all been conveniently swept under the carpet and totally hushed up.

I seriously think that he had the arrogance to believe that the US government would afford him the same privileges.

"The maid blabs? (Gallic shrug)...So what....they wouldn't DARE to arrest such an important person as moi "

Good on the USA, I say. I doubt the British Government would have had the balls.

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@Old Goat,

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IF the man is half the things that people from his past say that he is, and IF he planned to have his wicked way with a mere chambermaid, probably being arrogant enough to assume that she would either be too frightened to talk, or that nobody would believe her if she did.......precisely WHEN do you think would be the best time to jump her?
Just before he was about to leave the country, perhaps?

So rumors is enough to base an arrest on?

They had time to check on rumors of this man character but not to check thier facts with the airline for example?

Next he planned to ruin his carreer/life ahead of time and attacked a maid just a few hours before his flight in a hotel room register to him knowing that a maid would show up when she did by herself and then went and had a long meal with his daughter and then call the damn hotel and told them where he happen to be???????!!!!!!!!?????????

Right your logic is wonderful and perhaps there is an opening in the NYC sexaul assault unit for you.

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You have to feel sorry for all the poor men sitting on Rikers Island, accused of the same crimes as Strauss-Kahn, who can't afford to make bail. Wonder how they feel when they look at the TV in the jail housing unit dayroom and see pictures of the luxury townhouse where DSK is currently holed up?

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Strauss-Kahn Gets Upgraded to ‘Townhouse Arrest’ at $50,000-a-Month Pad in Tribeca
5/26/11

Chances are, Dominique Strauss-Kahn had a way better Wednesday night than you did. The disgraced former IMF chief moved from his downtown digs to an enviable 6,800-square-foot, $14 million pad in Tribeca to wait out his trial for sexual assault and attempted rape in "townhouse arrest." Consider it the Stateside version of Julian Assange's ten-bedroom, eighteenth-century "manor arrest" in the English countryside. For dinner, Strauss-Kahn and his wife, heiress Anne Sinclair, who is footing the bill, ordered $242.79 worth of steaks and salad from Landmarc, an upscale restaurant around the corner. The $50,000-a-month three-story townhouse at 153 Franklin Street also boasts a movie theater, antique French oak floors, a gym, and a terrace. Not to mention radiant-heated limestone on the ground floor and a "rainfall steam shower" in the bathroom, befitting the Socialist Party member critics call part of the "Caviar Left." In fact, luxe amenities were enough to catch A-Rod and Cameron Diaz's eyes during a recent house-hunting excursion.

Somehow the super-secret location of his new digs did not get past the gaggle of reporters who've been camping outside his temporary residence at 71 Broadway. Unhandcuffed, Strauss-Kahn offered a "wry smirk" to onlookers. But once he arrived at Franklin Street, his smile turned to a sneer as a female passerby shouted "Pig" as he and his security detail walked by.

If you're looking for some real estate schadenfreude while the world awaits Strauss-Kahn's trial, consider that the Hot Rabbit hasn't been able to call anyplace home for long. He was rejected by the co-op board at the Bristol, wore out his welcome at 71 Broadway, and the Tribeca natives are already restless. Rolling her eyes, Annette Goodman, Strauss-Kahn's new neighbor, told the New York Daily News, "It's the height of hypocrisy. House arrest does not mean a luxury townhouse." Another neighbor, Linda Buongermino, offered up a prayer in protest, "Please, God, no."
http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2011/05/strauss-kahn_gets_a_house_arre.html

http://www.nypost.com/rw/nypost/2011/05/26/news/web_photos/153_franklin_th_lr_RDvorin025715--300x300.jpg

Strauss-Kahn's plush new living room.

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With four bedrooms and five full baths, there will be plenty of living space for Strauss-Kahn.

Located on a cobblestone street between Varick and Hudson, the home was built in 1915 but recently renovated by noted architect and designer Leopoldo Rosati.

It features a state-of-the-art Boffi kitchen with high-end Miele and Gaggenau appliances.

The man derided by critics as a member of "the Caviar Left" for his expensive tastes despite his Socialist politics should feel right at home surrounded by the best furnishings and electronics money can buy.

The townhouse also has a "nanny suite" where he could house his guards. The first floor features a "great room" with a skylight and fireplace, perfect for pre-trial strategy sessions with his lawyers, and limestone "radiant heat" floors, according to the broker's description

The second floor has antique French wide-plank oak floors, an Italian limestone bath with a Duravit jet tub and waterfall shower -- for relaxing after a hard day dueling with the prosecutors who want to lock him up in Manhattan Supreme Court.

The third-floor master suite has another bar, and the entire edifice has hand-crafted Italian cabinetry, stainless steel staircases and an audio system.
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/dsk_hops_to_luxe_lily_pad_Hlit1cv1ocX09hRvfPYq0J#ixzz1NSS8nbTU

And, of course, there is a roof garden atop the townhouse. We wouldn't want DSK to develop prison pallor from missing out on the rays, and now we won't have to worry about that.

The extremely rich do live differently than the rest of us, even when they are under house arrest. Laughing

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@firefly,

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You have to feel sorry for all the poor men sitting on Rikers Island, accused of the same crimes as Strauss-Kahn, who can't afford to make bail. Wonder how they feel when they look at the TV in the jail housing unit dayroom and see pictures of the luxury townhouse where DSK is currently holed up?

Is your logic because he had resources and a nice place to live before trial his should be assume to be guilty of rape and punsih now as if he had already been found guilty????!!!!!?????

I agree however most men should be out on bail with or without electronic monitoring and not being punish before they are found guilty of any crime.

However treating everyone with respect seem a fairer course then treating no one with respect as you seem to indicate we should be doing Firefly.

Yes those men are being **** on but it will not make thier lives any better if the state also get to **** on DSK.

Now Firefly how many of the middle class persons on this thread would be willing to trade placed with DSK with his money and nice living quarters included?

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@BillRM,

I shall say this only once.

Do not underestimate the sheer, utter arrogance of this man. He did not think for one minute that a snivelling little underling would be believed, or that the powers that be in the US would even consider inconveniencing him with such vulgar trivialities.

I also advise you to do a bit of research on him, starting with (I believe) his god daughter, who, after being personally invited to interview him, ended up having to seriously fight him off, and later describing him as a "rutting chimpanzee".

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@Old Goat,

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Do not underestimate the sheer, utter arrogance of this man. He did not think for one minute that a snivelling little underling would be believed, or that the powers that be in the US would even consider inconveniencing him with such vulgar trivialities.

Off hand can name any numbers of women who might come up with false stories about me if they saw any gain by doing so including my ex-wife who was more then willing to lied under oath to the courts.

Sorry you any more then I do not know a damn thing about his private character other then in his 62 years he had make some enemies.

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@Old Goat,

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I also advise you to do a bit of research on him, starting with (I believe) his god daughter, who, after being personally invited to interview him, ended up having to seriously fight him off, and later describing him as a "rutting chimpanzee".

that would be the God Daughter of his second wife, and the Ex does not believe the girl.

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@firefly,

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You have to feel sorry for all the poor men sitting on Rikers Island, accused of the same crimes as Strauss-Kahn, who can't afford to make bail. Wonder how they feel when they look at the TV in the jail housing unit dayroom and see pictures of the luxury townhouse where DSK is currently holed up?

They probably feel like the "justice" system sucks, and are upset that the state treats them like dirt by throwing them into a violent decaying lock up for an average of over 5o days when most of them have not even been found guilty of anything yet.

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