Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@hawkeye10,

It's a pincer movement hawk. One blade is the terrible conditions inside American jails to make you fear them. The other is the power to be able to send men to jail by pointing a finger and alleging stuff that has been rehearsed over and over again and acting lessons taken off the soaps.

No wonder you're all henpecked. It's neat I must admit.

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@Irishk,

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A man has been accused of a serious crime

disputed

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He was arrested

very rapidly on nothing but the say so of one person

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released on bail

after unreasonable delay, and at unreasonable cost the the accused of 6 million dollars bail and at a cost to him of $280 a hour for his house arrest...not including the house of course.

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A grand jury, after hearing testimony from the accuser, has indicted him

a grand jury would indict a ham sandwich, so that is irrelavant

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If there is a trial,

Possibly, but that is very rare in the American system

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it's up to the prosecutor to prove guilt

totally false, the accused needs to prove that his accuser is lying, if he can not he is guilty according to the law.

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it's not up to the accused to prove his innocence

according to the Constitution you should be correct, and in any other part of the law besides sex law you would be correct

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If it can't be proven that he did it, he'll be let go

completely wrong, see above

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If there's evidence that he did it beyond a reasonable doubt, he'll be fined and/or sentenced just like any other criminal.

there is almost certainly going to be no evidence provided towards consent, either way the decision of the jury will be subjective only.

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Not all that complicated.

we are trying to judge an event in human relationship, and given that humans are complicated rendering such judgments is also complicated.

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@firefly,

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Given your attitudes, you may be less than elated to find out that DSK's arrest has also prompted re-evaluation of attitudes in France--particularly a possible heightened sensitivity to inappropriate behavior toward women by men in power.

I am well aware, and while I would counsel the French to step very softly in that direction and to consider well the wisdom of following America in anything I am an American and care primarily about the flaws in my collective.

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@spendius,

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No wonder you're all henpecked. It's neat I must admit.

Even worse than what is being done is that is has till now actually been a violation of the PC laws to talk about it. Nothing can get fixed in a collective that punishes all who try to start a conversation on the truth. You can trace almost all of America's problems to our inability to talk to each other honestly.

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@Irishk,

It has been complicated Irish since a simple finger pointing caused the sad performance between the arrest on the plane and the hearing which grudgingly granted him bail. Unless there is evidence that the performance was justified beyond that of the maid's allegations power has sloshed onto the distaff side in great dollops. And with the encouragement of the prosecuting authorities.

So--where's the evidence? Your post, after the word "bail" is like you telling us that night follows day. DSK is denying there was any assault. Right then--contradict him with evidence.

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@spendius,

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So--where's the evidence?

Evidence is presented at trial. From now until then we're just bombarded with a lot of gossip and rumor.

Patience.

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@spendius,

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People here, some pretty hard bitten, are disgusted with a programme running about your prisons. From the bit I have seen I was somewhat shocked. It seems to me to be a factory to create more of the same.

I just read two articles in your Guardian newspaper critical of your prison system. That, plus their program about ours, is probably a good thing. Keeps the public aware (although I'm not easily shocked these days).

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@hawkeye10,

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You can trace almost all of America's problems to our inability to talk to each other honestly.

You can trace most of the world's problems to that too, Hawk. In addition to the inability to talk to each other honestly, there is the deep inability to think about things difficult.

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@spendius,

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DSK is denying there was any assault.

Of course he is. I'm sure 99.9% of all suspects are going to deny the charges of which they're accused. Probably all of them will. They're still innocent until proven guilty in a court of law.

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@hawkeye10,

You dispute that Strauss-Kahn was accused of a serious crime?

Do you always blithely deny objective reality?

Your assertions that the delay in granting bail was unreasonable and that the conditions of bail were unreasonable, again deny objective reality, and the way that similar defendants have been treated in NYC. Even the defense attorneys did not argue that these things were entirely unreasonable--they were the ones who proposed the conditions of bail.

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we are trying to judge an event in human relationship, and given that humans are complicated rendering such judgments is also complicated.

You seem to overlook the fact that these two did not have a "relationship"--they were strangers to each other. The maid entered a suite she believed to be unoccupied in order to perform her housekeeping duties.

The jury will not be trying to "judge an event in human relationships"--they will be evaluating only the evidence presented at trial to determine whether a crime occured and whether the defendant is guilty as charged.

Do you even know much about the Sex Crimes Unit of the Manhattan D.A,'s office?

This is the official description of the Sex Crimes Unit from the D.A.'s Web site.

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Sex Crimes Unit
The Sex Crimes Unit thoroughly investigates and prosecutes cases involving sexual assaults and other related crimes. The Unit’s experienced, specially-trained prosecutors strive to bring the strongest prosecutions for victims of these heinous crimes, while ensuring that those who are falsely accused are not prosecuted and are cleared as early in the process as possible. The Unit endeavors to treat everyone with the respect and consideration appropriate for dealing with these serious and sensitive cases.
http://manhattanda.org/node/173/180#special_victims_bureau

This is from a Web site devoted to a film about the Sex Crimes Unit

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The Sex Crimes Unit was established in 1974. It was the first unit in the country dedicated to the investigation and prosecution of sexual assault (rape, sexual abuse, and other criminal sexual acts). The Unit presently handles all cases involving sexual assaults of victims 14 years old and older (sexual and physical assault of children under fourteen are prosecuted by the Family Violence and Child Abuse Bureau). The Sex Crimes Unit is staffed by approximately forty ADAs, who are selected not only for their ability in the courtroom, but also because they exhibit a sensitivity to the issues unique to victims of these crimes. Widely recognized for its services provided to sexual assault victims and its role in dramatically increasing the conviction rate of sex offenders, the Sex Crimes Unit has been used as a model by similar units all over the country.

The Sex Crimes Unit's work is not limited to prosecution. In addition to trial work, members of the Unit train medical personnel, rape crisis intervention volunteers and law enforcement officers. In addition, Unit personnel provide safety lectures and inform the public about sex crimes. Prosecutors all over the state and country have followed the Sex Crimes Unit model. The Sex Crimes Unit works closely with the NYPD's Special Victims Squad, frequently interacting with detectives from the moment a rape case is reported to the police.

The Sex Crimes Unit, along with the Family Violence and Child Abuse Bureau and the Cybercrime Bureau, also investigates and prosecutes individuals who sexually exploit children via the Internet. Children are exploited via the Internet through the manufacture and distribution of child pornography, and by persons who seek to make contact with children online for the purpose of engaging them in sexual activity. The Sex Crimes Unit also handles Promoting Prostitution and Sex Trafficking cases, the latter being handled by a specially trained team of Assistant DAs. And finally, the Sex Crimes Unit handles Unlawful Surveillance cases that involve the surreptitious placement of cameras to watch, record, or take pictures of intimate parts of the unknowing victims’ bodies.

In the Unit’s 27 years of operation, forcible rape has dropped 81 percent in New York County: a number that has made the SCPU a model for DA offices around the world. The Unit is staffed by ADAs selected for both their ability in the courtroom and their sensitivity to victims of sexual violence. ADAs work outside the courtroom as well, specially training law enforcement officers, medical personnel, rape crisis intervention volunteers, and raising public awareness about sex crimes and safety measures that reduce personal risk. Lisa Friel has served as Unit Chief since 2002.
http://www.filmstransit.com/index.php?option=com_jmovies&Itemid=70&task=detail&id=200#more-on-film

These aren't amateurs, Hawkeye. Your attempts to prematurely second-guess their judgment call in making this arrest are foolish. They know what they are doing more than you do in matters such as this.

You are going to have to wait for the trial in order to understand the evidence in this case.

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@JTT,

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In addition to the inability to talk to each other honestly, there is the deep inability to think about things difficult.

The problems in education and in thinking ability get solved through conversation, letting the individual be constantly confronted with the fact that the brain understanding does not match up with reality, that the inner world is in conflict with the outer world.

The failure of conversation is the critical flaw, all others are secondary. PC culture is an extremely destructive abomination, a medicine that does far more harm than do the alleged problems it was designed to cure.

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@firefly,

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You dispute that Strauss-Kahn was accused of a serious crime?

Do you always blithely deny objective reality

The state says that it is a serious crime, but the state is not the final arbitrator, in a democracy the citizen is. Not all of us agree with the state on the view that faulty sexual relations justify the heavy sanctions from the state they they now receive. If you have been following my argument you know that in my opinion the state has been recently been sold this bill of goods by the feminists, and that the state will pay for its mistake as it increasingly is seen as hostile to the citizen, hostile to human nature, and is justifiably then held in disrepute. As many a king found out the hard way, this is the stuff of which revolutions are made.

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NEW YORK (Reuters) – Representatives of former IMF chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn are not in contact with the hotel housekeeper he is charged with trying to rape or her family, his lawyers said on Wednesday.
Media reports that representatives of Strauss-Kahn contacted the woman or her family were false, his lawyers William Taylor and Ben Brafman said in a statement.
"We continue to believe that Mr Strauss-Kahn will be fully exonerated," they said.
The New York Post newspaper said on Tuesday that friends of Strauss-Kahn reached out to the woman's extended family in the West African nation of Guinea, because they were unable to contact her in New York, in a bid to pay them money to try to keep the woman quiet about her accusations.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20110525/ts_nm/us_strausskahn_maid;_ylt=AvcMccUcYvxhvvk8iT6y_x.s0NUE;_ylu=X3oDMTNua3NtNXVlBGFzc2V0A25tLzIwMTEwNTI1L3VzX3N0cmF1c3NrYWhuX21haWQEY2NvZGUDbW9zdHBvcHVsYXIEY3BvcwM1BHBvcwMyBHB0A2hvbWVfY29rZQRzZWMDeW5faGVhZGxpbmVfbGlzdARzbGsDc3RyYXVzcy1rYWhu

I predict that the widely broadcast claims that "friends of" DSK are in Africa trying to bribe the accusers family into pressuring her to not cooperate with the state will be found out to be nothing more than the latest attempt to humiliate and smear the reputation of DSK. It may have been New York, or it may have been one of his other foes. I hope someone is looking into it, someone who brings forth the truth to the people.

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@hawkeye10,

As many a king found out the hard way, this is the stuff of which revolutions are made.

As many a king is finding out the hard way, there is a revolution under way. No longer can women be beaten and sexually assaulted with impunity. One can see a collective light bulb going on over the heads of European women as the revolution spreads to their cultures.
All in all I'm proud of this country and Canada for fostering this revolution.

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@panzade,

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As many a king is finding out the hard way, there is a revolution under way. No longer can women be beaten and sexually assaulted with impuni

No now any woman at her whim can destroy any man at her word alone.

Even if it is shown beyond question that a man was falsely accuse it will not return his life to him and it is very unlikely that the false accuser will face any real punishment.

A wonderful system we have now where any man is guilty of sexaul assault at a woman word unless he can prove he is innocent and until he can prove that fact he will be treated as being guilty.

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@panzade,

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No longer can women be beaten and sexually assaulted with impunity

women have not been beaten with impunity for hundreds of years, it is more than a bit presumptuous for you to give your state credit for the change. As for sexual assault, all agreed that the laws needed to change, but that does not mean the the current laws will be seen to be just or productive. If you are waiting for Europe to follow America's lead on sex law making you best not hold your breath, as the flaws of the American system are currently a hot topic of conversation there, a conversation that we are only just now beginning to have here. But good luck with your project of singing the praises of America and our sex laws, you will soon find your chorus weak as Americans rethink what we have allowed to happen when we are not paying much attention to changes the state made in the regulation of our private lives, and their vastly expanded claims of regulatory authority.

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@firefly,

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D.A.'s in the U.S. are elected--they can be voted out of office.

By swing voters like women....Sisters! I appeal to your emotions ! The men are at it again !!

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@hawkeye10,

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The fact is that a -5 post is as likely to be a gem as is a +5.

True . The posting system does however highlight my point about how emotionally people vote . FDR was worried about his re-election if people saw he was physically unwell . He thought they wouldnt take the time to think, they would just feel . The thumbs system indicates a persons first reaction and their feelings, nothing more . It has nothing to do with content unless you believe it will persuade those bastards who disagree with political correctness to change their posts to something more politically correct . Then we can all get along happily and follow the fashion trend .

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@hawkeye10,

Hawkeye do you think that such women as Firelfy have any men in their lives who welfare they care about?

I can not see any woman who have emotionals ties with the male half of the human race being happy with the directions our relationships laws are going in.

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@JTT,

Now JTT and I do not get along . But I have voted up everyone of her posts because some arsehole has voted emotionally and voted her down, regardless of the point being made . These voting fools make good Nazis, Communists, Inquisitors.... just about any dogma based stupidity they swallow whole heartedly . If you clowns want to feel, go to the Disney Forum . It has the intellectual content for you .

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