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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 12:24 am
Bill, you might take notice of the growing perception that programs intended to promote non whites have now gone too far and become discriminatory towards whites. Next up for reevaluation are the gender programs, as the programs that were intended to promote women now have gone over the line and discriminate unfairly against men. These female victim promotion programs like VAWA will get an increasingly hostile reception. Rest assured that we are in the vanguard on this.
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Victoria C. Plaut, a social and cultural psychologist, is an assistant professor at the University of California, Berkeley School of Law and author of the forthcoming article “What about Me?” Perceptions of Exclusion and Whites’ Reactions to Multiculturalism.

That whites now see themselves as more likely than blacks to be victims of discrimination does surprise me given persistent and significant racial disparities in most aspects of social, political, and economic life.


The finding doesn’t surprise me, however, when I consider white perceptions of programs and policies designed to address issues of diversity and inequality. My own research suggests that whites often feel excluded by multicultural diversity initiatives, which leads to greater resistance to those programs.

Who is actually excluded or discriminated against is beyond the scope of the research. What is important to understand is how people are conceiving of discrimination and what this might mean for policy and court decisions.

Suggesting a shift in conceptions of discrimination, recent Supreme Court decisions — in cases that have pitted white and minority interests against each other — have focused more on disadvantage to whites and less on disadvantage to racial minorities. For example, in the 2009 Ricci v. DeStefano case, the court essentially regarded preventing disadvantage to white firefighters as more important than addressing barriers to promotion for racial minorities.

In Parents Involved in Community Schools v. Seattle School District No. 1 in 2007, the Supreme Court deemed schools’ use of race to promote racial balance — and any resulting exclusion of whites — to be no different from the legally sanctioned racial discrimination experienced by blacks at issue in Brown v. Board of Education in 1954.

From a legal perspective, this seems to depart from the original impetus behind antidiscrimination laws — to prevent the exclusion of historically disadvantaged racial minorities. If this trend continues, we could be headed for a showdown. On one side are those who believe that considering race in addressing racial disparities is equivalent to intentional discrimination against whites. On the other are those who believe that considering race is justifiable in order to prevent adverse effects on racial minorities.

From a social psychological perspective, as underscored by these research findings, this shift may not be the product of a few disgruntled employees or parents or even of a few Supreme Court justices. Rather, it may signify a broader societal sentiment, reflected in and shaped by recent decisions such as Ricci and Parents Involved.

Therefore, efforts geared at ending discrimination against racial minorities must be prepared to grapple with the shifting landscape of how people conceptualize and understand racial bias. The future of antidiscrimination law rides on how Americans think about discrimination — what it is and who experiences it.

http://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2011/05/22/is-anti-white-bias-a-problem/a-broader-societal-shift


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Ionus
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 02:09 am
@BillRM,
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women tend to be very good at putting on acts
What is very worrying is one in five is genuinely in need of mental help . Unless they have a history, they will never be discovered in a rape court....they are not acting, they genuinely live in a fantasy world .
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 09:40 am
@Ionus,
What is surprising to me Io is that no psychiatrist specialising in anthropology and forms of mass hysteria has not thought fit to break cover on the story so far.

All he need do, in case you know anybody fit for the job, is use "reputation" instead of "living body" and he has all the history of human sacrifice as source material. Just as the pain of surgical operations has been reduced over the years so has the pain of human sacrifice. Synergy. The reputation becomes a substitute victim. The torture applied to the self-esteem rather than the body.

You see--the feminist position is that millions of rapes are taking place all over the land on a daily basis. And I'm persuaded too. The duress applied is economic, social and psychological. All manipulable. Although possibly not in the case of rich, posh and intellectual ladies like Christine Lagrande who is the "frontrunner" in the race to be head of the IMF.

Folk expressions such as "pull me nightie down when you've finished" and "lie back and think of England" make the point clearly enough. I have met university educated men who like to add "whilst eating a crispy apple".

Sterne has the best one I know-- "Pray Mr Shandy, have you forgot to wind the clock". Whoosh!!!! Or the single thrust of Steve Martin in The Man With Two Brains--"it gets better every time". Answers to "how was it for you darling?" are legion. Julie Burchill said, on TV with her ex-husband present, that all she ever felt was a "little local irritation".

If full consent was required one might have to think of charging. Paying out smacks of bribery. After I became persuaded that Ms Greer was quite correct, from the evidence of my friend's wives and stories in media, I adopted that strategy. I didn't charge much mind you. I didn't make them beg or anything like that. I couldn't **** a beggar. I'm not de Quincey. Just some token of enthusiastic willingness which St Valentine's Day dinners-for-tw0 are supposed to rekindle. A blow on the ashes.

Some suttee victims were under duress. Some were volunteers.

Anyway--the idea, as such an anthropologically minded psychiatrist might explain it, is that DSK is a sacrificial victim to assuage the guilt of the constant and unabated raping that's going on and to wash away the guilt in a festivity of indignation. Thus a feminist should be on our side because the constant and unabated raping can continue once the cauterisation of DSK has been ritually performed by the ceremonially dressed and manicured officers of the ceremony.

As Auberon Waugh once said--"The more he talked of his honesty the faster we counted the spoons". From which piece of wisdom I derive that indignation orgies are signs of a deeper protest.

I think a serious feminist lady judge might have said--"tell me about it dearie" with a resigned air.

I think that's what serious feminist theology looks like. The beta minus version doesn't know it's earflap from its bottom knocker.

BTW--spitting is a part of some West-African cult stuff. And in other pre-Christian societies. A victim's spit was a sacred relic. I don't know the source. Probably Frazer.

It's fascinating.



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firefly
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:28 am
@hawkeye10,
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I am prejudiced..I assume that individual cases fall with-in the norm of like cases until I have good reason not to. What it is claimed DSK did is not in Character for him and not with-in the behavior that I would expect from a man such as him. I am twisted myself, I have a pretty good read on him I think.

I am glad you finally admit you are "twisted"--and you are saying that Strauss-Kahn is too.
Well, you've said you would disregard the rape laws as an act of "civil disobedience" so perhaps DSK feels the same way. But one has to be prepared for the consequences of disregarding such laws in NYC--such as the prospect of 25 years in jail.

And there are no "new rape laws" or "expanded definitions of rape" being used in this case. He is charged under the time honored definition of criminal sexual acts committed under forcible compulsion--that he used force, it was a violent assault, against an unwilling victim. Proving that force was not used will be a major task for his defense team.

What is claimed about DSK sounds very much in character for him--he has a reputation for coming onto women in an aggressive and harassing manner--and that's in social situations. With a menial hotel housekeeper, who is considerably below his social station, and who might represent no threat level for him, he might dispense with the niceties of even considering consent, if his level of sexual arousal is high and she is vulnerable and available.

I find it very plausible, given his reputation, that he might have done this sort of thing before. There are rumors that he sexually assaulted a hotel maid in Mexico. He might have behaved inappropriately with staff at the Sofitel Hotel before, but it might have been covered-up, or not crossed the line to the same extent before. Also, if the accuser in this instance had previously been a rape victim in her native country, and suffered such trauma as a result of it that she was granted asylum in the U.S., her degree of distress and panic from an unexpected sexual assault by a stranger in a hotel suite might have been so considerable that the hotel had no option but to call the police. And, if there were prior incidents at the Sofitel involving DSK, that would have only added to this maid's credibility with both the hotel managers and the police.

When you say this is not the sort of behavior you expect from "a man such as him", it is reasonable to ask, "Why not"? You think "respectable" people never do sexually abusive things? What about the former president of Israel who is currently serving a prison sentence for rape? What about all of the priests who were suddenly exposed to be child molesters? You don't know what kinds of secrets this man might have managed to keep hidden before this incident, particularly since the behaviors toward women we have heard about don't paint a very pretty picture.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:35 am
@firefly,
In that case ff there's no need for a trial. You have declared him guilty it seems to me. And so you are bound to want him guilty to prevent your assertions from looking ridiculous.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:49 am
@firefly,
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Why not"? You think "respectable" people never do sexually abusive things?


Sorry but a vast majority of men who would rape would not just attack a hotel maid at random in a room that is register to him.

A man with an IQ a fraction of DSK is unlikely to do so.

This story on it face is nonsense as given at least.

oh unsupported claims and rumors is beside the point with very special note involving famous men.

Of all the men in power in all the world you are able to come up with one case of a former President of Israel as if that would show that it is likely that the thousands of men is similar position of power would do so rather then show how damn rare such an event is.
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:57 am
@BillRM,
As mrs hamburger explained to hamburgboy some decades ago, academic intelligence is not a signal of common sense.

DSK might be brilliant in his field of work, but that doesn't tell us anything about his common sense or his behaviours.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 10:57 am
@spendius,
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You have declared him guilty it seems to me. And so you are bound to want him guilty to prevent your assertions from looking ridiculous.


See the case of the Duke players where the Feminists had all three of the men guilty with special note of the outrageous behaviors of the feminism/women study department at Duke.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:03 am
@ehBeth,
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DSK might be brilliant in his field of work, but that doesn't tell us anything about his common sense or his behaviours.


Somehow if DSK is lacking the common sense of a 70 IQ rapist hanging around dark places in a park looking for victims I question him getting anywhere in life let along the position he ended up in.

So once more on it face this story of the maid is highly unlikely to be true.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:14 am
@spendius,
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In that case ff there's no need for a trial. You have declared him guilty it seems to me. And so you are bound to want him guilty to prevent your assertions from looking ridiculous.

No, what I'm saying is that he is very possibly guilty. That's why he was arrested and indicted.

But, even if he's guilty, the prosecution still has to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. That's not always easy in sexual assault cases, and Strauss-Kahn's high-powered defense team will make it a lot harder in this particular case. I'm looking forward to watching all of the legal maneuvers in this trial. This trial is going to be to sexual assault cases what O.J.'s trial was to murder cases or Michael Jackson's trial was to child molestation cases, with the best defense money can buy.

I don't confuse DSK's legal status at trial--where the jury must presume innocence--with the reasons for actions taken by law enforcement--the police and prosecution--which presume guilt. I am entitled to feel that the police and D.A. acted with good reason in arresting and charging this man. And I'm not a potential juror, so I can certainly form some opinion. I'm willing to change my mind if new evidence emerges, or if the defense can call evidence into question at the trial. I have no vested interest, at all, in the outcome of this case. The charges still have to be proved in court to a jury's satisfaction.

If you worry about people having preconceived opinions, or about pre-trial smear campaigns, just watch what will go on with regard to his accuser. She has already been seen as part of a possible conspiracy set-up to knock Strauss-Kahn out of the running for the French presidency, or as someone who might falsely accuse a very wealthy man in order to receive a hefty financial pay-off. Her privacy, even about her possible health issues, or possible past sexual assaults, is being needlessly invaded, even though those factors are irrelevant in determining whether Strauss-Kahn violated the law. His legal team has hired a global investigation firm which will go to Africa and dig up any dirt they can in her past--which they will leak to the press if it will help to discredit her in the public's mind, including the minds of potential jurors. This woman's character and reputation are going to be destroyed by the defense team, if there is any way they can manage that--including the planting of false rumors about her. Meanwhile, the defense has already begun consulting with a PR firm to try to enhance, or rehabilitate, the image of their client.

Make no mistake about it, this is going to be one long ugly trial, particularly for that poor hotel maid. In addition to the normal stresses and trauma for any woman who lodges sexual assault complaints and cooperates with the legal process, this woman faces intense media attention and scrutiny, and a high powered defense team hell bent on destroying her credibility and possibly putting enough pressure on her so she will become unwilling to testify against their client.

So, I'm concerned about the alleged victim in this situation. And, right now, I see the victim as being the hotel maid and not DSK. He'll get a fair trial, that I am sure of.



JTT
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:15 am
@BillRM,
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So once more on it face this story of the maid is highly unlikely to be true.


Only those lacking the common sense of a 70 IQ rapist hanging around dark places in a park looking for victims would jump to such a silly conclusion, Bill.

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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:17 am
@firefly,
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No, what I'm saying is that he is very possibly guilty. That's why he was arrested and indicted.


An for all the reasons already given on this thread to date the likelihood of this being anything other then a repeat of the Duke players case is near zero.

Of course with the Duke players you was dealing with college students not a key person/player in the world economic system so this nonsense is of even greater public concern.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:25 am
So the spitting is very strange though it could make sense in this womans culture, also odd is that she was so afraid of DSK that she stuck around the room. I assume that the state will claim that she was afraid of being fired if she left her post but I would not buy this. She could not be so ignorant that she thought that her walking into an occupied room or leaving her post matters when she has been raped, the hotel has over the last year had an active program to insure the safety of the employees. She also knows through her immigration efforts the importance that America places on rape, knows how condemned it is here. The expected behavior would have been if she was raped to get as far away from the scene of the crime as possibe as fast as possible, and to not go back. The state is going to need to come up with an explaination for why this woman is so strange, in a way that does not distroy her credibility in this "He said, she said".
ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:30 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

So the spitting is very strange


what do you do when you've got the taste of something you don't want in your mouth?

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:39 am
@ehBeth,
ehBeth wrote:

hawkeye10 wrote:

So the spitting is very strange


what do you do when you've got the taste of something you don't want in your mouth?


take a drink or eat something. Also, she was only spitting in the room, so she was clearly trying to show anger and contempt for the crime scene, which is very strange. The expected behaviour is fear of the crime scene, which she had so little of that the ran to the suite bathroom to throw up when investigators took her back.

Defense has according to reports sent investigators to Africa to dig through this woman's life, I have a hunch that they will find much of interest.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:45 am
@hawkeye10,
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Defense has according to reports sent investigators to Africa to dig through this woman's life, I have a hunch that they will find much of interest
.

Any information they might gather is only going to be useful in the area of Public Relation thank to the rape shield laws. Hell not even there if a gage order is placed into effect by the courts.

I am not even sure that, if it can be shown she was a working girl in that hotel beside being a maid, if that fact would be allow in a trial.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:52 am
I'm not sure - this may be the page Roger was talking about re Fbaezer's take -
http://able2know.org/topic/123012-9 (a few posts).
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 11:56 am
@BillRM,
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Any information they might gather is only going to be useful in the area of Public Relation thank to the rape shield laws. Hell not even there if a gage order is placed into effect by the courts
I think not,sex law does not conform to the rest of law so just because no one can mention this woman's sexual misdeeds does not mean that they can not point out other area's of her life where she has has lied....it goes to credibility. Also, anything that they learn will help in figuring out a way to break her on the stand. The feminists are trying to void the part of the Constitution where the accused has the right to confront their accuser, but they have not made it yet, so she is going to have to go on the stand. If the defense insight into her weaknesses is good enough the DA will reconsider going to trial, and likely will deal massively downwards in order to get some kind of a win. DSK might go for pleaing to some offense other than rape, so long as he can leave the USA right away.
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ehBeth
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 12:00 pm
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
she was clearly trying to show anger and contempt for the crime scene


well, if you think it's clear it must be

gotta admit that makes sense - esp. when I consider my former Italian neighbours - they were always spitting about something
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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 23 May, 2011 12:41 pm
@firefly,
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No, what I'm saying is that he is very possibly guilty. That's why he was arrested and indicted.


That's not what I am talking about. Your position shines clearly from your posts.

If the alleged offences had been committed by Joe Soap you would never have heard about all this. The cops have heard that stuff thousands of times and advise complainants to not go into the rooms of hotel guests when they are inside.

I'm looking at it from some deep sensitive nerve in the US psyche. It's not just this case. It's one of a long line. Same stuff everytime. Same ceremonial. The emasculation of men. Their reduction to a prostrate nincompoop at the feet of the sanctity of the feminine whose very word is law. The "pussy whip" as some call it did not cease evolving when it was first invented by the Suffragettes and their ilk. Like the gizmos of the information highway it has progressed and like those gixmoes they can olny be dispensed with by a ceremonial of throwing them in the river with resolution.

A so called "right wing" news channel has power dressed ceiling busters, who probably spend all day in the primping salon before their appearance, and sleep at night with slices of Sri Lankan lemon skins on their eyelids, all over the place and a few deep-voiced and authoritative voices just to show what they can bring to heel.

Sheesh ff. We're in the last bunker and our backs are to the wall. What do you expect but that the last remnants of our disconsolate and degenerate fellows, never mind their denials, should fight like any self-respecting cornered rat. I almost wept when that clean-cut prosecuting counsel charged M. Dominique Strauss-Kahn like he did in the first hearing. The bald, black usher I forgive. He didn't know what was going on. But hey--not to worry--I do. The mistake was that first court appearance. It was impulsive. "Hang 'em now, that'll larn 'em" the Queen says in Brecht.

But there is a very large problem. Evolution has not one example of the feminine who is prepared to have any truck with a male in prostrate subjection except maybe primeval pond life. That sort of thing is associated with the Dark Ages. So you are all on the Christian side of the evolution argument. Which is where you don't think you are.

You are the most pampered bunch of women who ever existed in the whole history of the universe.

And you don't read my posts.
 

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