Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@High Seas,

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The first woman had the wherewithal (cultural, economic, social, educational, familial, etc) to fight off unwanted advances - and did so.

The second woman didn't.

If Ms Diallo is the hotel maid in this case then that is out of order HS.

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@High Seas,

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stands in an entirely different category than Ms. Banon (a white, educated, middle-class professional) being a pitch-black cleaning lady struggling to make ends meet. The first woman had the wherewithal (cultural, economic, social, educational, familial, etc) to fight off unwanted advances - and did so.

And silly me thinking that fighting off a man is fully dependent upon size and fighting skill, which is not differentiated between the classes so far as I know thus the underclass has no disadvantage, completely missed how Tristane's class status gave her such an advantage.

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@hawkeye10,

If he had placed his dick in her mouth as claimed no fighting skills would be needed on her part just powerful jaw muscles.

But I assume that High Sea is claiming that the willingness to fight is somehow connected to social standing.

Kind of another way of looking down at the lower classes without any foundation for doing so.

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@BillRM,

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If he had placed his dick in her mouth as claimed no fighting skills would be needed on her part just powerful jaw muscles.

Ya, I am thinking the part about her fighting was pure PR to try to manufacture a sympathetic victim. Much more likely is that she went along with it but did not want to, and he thought she was playing along with his seduction as thus was a consentual partner. I never agreed with the change of law that got rid of the demand for women to fight back at least to the point of stating their mind. I will be very shocked if the facts turn out to be consistent with the old definition for rape, though it might qualify for todays greatly expanded definition of rape.

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@hawkeye10,

I will love seeing this story unfold however I can not see leaving a shower and thinking/assuming that the maid would be interested in having a brief sexual interlude with me.

Then I can not see this 62 years old man just jumping out of a shower and seeing/attacking her either from a cold start.

I could see him perhaps seeing a good looking maid and asking her if she would be friendly for a few hundreds dollars tip?

The whole story we had gotten to date in any case is clearly missing too many facts to even have a clue of what went on in that room.

The attack out of the blue story seem crazy on it face however.

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@BillRM,

There are reports that DSK did once pay a Mexico City maid for sex, and that he is a well known customer of hookers, so your theory has merit.

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@hawkeye10,

A commerce transaction that went bad seem more likely then anything else I had been able to come up with given the few facts we had have to this point.

Now an interesting question is if it can be found that she had a history of taking part in such transactions in the hotel would that information be allow by the rape shield law or not.

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@BillRM,

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A commerce transaction that went bad seem more likely then anything else I had been able to come up with given the few facts we had have to this point.

Did he offer money and think that they had a deal when she started to perform?? IDK, but I think that there are significants parts of this story that we have not heard yet. Meanwhile the state is ripping up carpet and DNA testing it to see if she spat where she says she did, as if that tells us anything about the consent.

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@hawkeye10,

Are you boys using condoms? You know you oughta.

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@BillRM,

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A commerce transaction that went bad seem more likely then anything else I had been able to come up with given the few facts we had have to this point.

Now an interesting question is if it can be found that she had a history of taking part in such transactions in the hotel would that information be allow by the rape shield law or not.

The plot thickens

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While ex-IMF head Dominique Strauss-Kahn cools his heels at the hot tourist attraction 71 Broadway, new complaints about inappropriate conduct by the French politician have come to light. None of the women the Post has dug up claim the "great seducer" did anything to them, but the stories of his lame attempts to woo will likely not help his reputation here—though thanks to conspiracy theories, his reputation in France seems to be doing okay.
According to the Post, the married father of four DSK was desperate for some action on the side during his stay at the Sofitel hotel in Midtown. First he asked the VIP receptionist who showed him to his room if she'd like to join him for some complimentary champagne after her shift (she shot him down on the spot) and the next day he reportedly tried the same trick on a desk receptionist (she also turned him down). Undeterred, it appears that DSK kept on making plays for hotel staffers until he finally, allegedly, took things into his own hands with a hotel maid.
And after his fateful attempt to woo the maid, DSK still wasn't done. Reportedly while waiting for the Air France flight he tried to skip town on to take off, the Socialist party leader watched a flight attendant in first class move up the aisle and loudly proclaimed "Quel beau cul!"

http://gothamist.com/2011/05/22/dominique_strauss-kahn_hit_on_a_num.php

The problem with this theory is that he is well known to be a great customer of a NYC madam , if he was hard up to get laid he knew who to call to have a censensual beauty at his door with-in the hour. Again his behaviour indicates a man who wanted to play, not rape.

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Why not suppose that the maid is an intelligence agent who is tasked with getting the genius out of the IMF so that his bail out plans for certain European nations stall and the Euro is brought low. The spat out sample could have been brought into the room from an encounter with another intelligence agent who gave full consent to get it. The two ladies being chosen for a particular role. The latter for her capacity to arouse jaded European roues and the former to play the sympathy card.

It would make a good story.

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@spendius,

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Why not suppose that the maid is an intelligence agent who is tasked with getting the genius out of the IMF so that his bail out plans for certain European nations stall and the Euro is brought low. The spat out sample could have been brought into the room from an encounter with another intelligence agent who gave full consent to get it. The two ladies being chosen for a particular role. The latter for her capacity to arouse jaded European roues and the former to play the sympathy card.

It would make a good story.

It is already a good story when DSK gets out of the shower and is shocked to find a pretty chambermaid in his room (maybe by accident, maybe not) and decides as is is want to play with her, only she is well trained to play the victim takes offense? She then reports him to the puritanical anti sex state/feminist cooperative who promptly make an example out of him......This is a pretty darn good tragedy.

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@hawkeye10,

Another thing that should be pointed out, though PC laws forbid it and criminal law forbids DSK's defense team from pointing out....those who are traumatized by sexual abuse often for the rest of their lives misread sexual signals, as well as control signals. For the same reason abusers seek out trained victims the innocent can also get hammered by making the mistake of getting mixed up with these women. It is very possible that because of her history this woman felt that she was being abused when few other women would, or she failed to speak up for herself when most others would. DSK might be more the innocent here, he the one who fell into situation where he misread the risk because he is not enough familiar with women who hold the victim mentality. We Americans more than anyone else encourage this mentality, this woman winning residency in America based upon being willing to be a victim should have taught her well which side womens bread is buttered on in America.

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@hawkeye10,

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Another thing that should be pointed out, though PC laws forbid it and criminal law forbids DSK's defense team from pointing out....those who are traumatized by sexual abuse often for the rest of their lives misread sexual signals, as well as control signals.

Hard to misread a naked man chasing you down a hallway and shoving his privates into your mouth. Or am I wrong? They were just "playing", right?

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@Mame,

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Hard to misread a naked man chasing you down a hallway and shoving his privates into your mouth. Or am I wrong? They were just "playing", right?

All we have is one side of the story by way of here-say.....do you normally make up your mind on such events on so little information?

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@Mame,

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Hard to misread a naked man chasing you down a hallway and shoving his privates into your mouth. Or am I wrong? They were just "playing", right?

Not only is it hard to misread it is even harder to believe that is how it went down.

International master 62 years banker got out of a shower saw the room maid and then attack the room maid from a cold start.

Come one now how silly and unlikely can you get if that is her story.

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@BillRM,

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International master 62 years banker got out of a shower saw the room maid and then attack the room maid from a cold start.

No, but he may have flirted with her and misread her response, thinking that she wanted a little pursuit and capture, one of his favorite games by the sounds of it.

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@hawkeye10,

It's a modern version of when Schahabarim, high priest of Tanith, and teacher of Salammbô, sends her into the mercenaries camp to recover the sacred zaimph from Mathos's tent, which he stole from her quarters, and the fortune of Carthage depends upon it. When she returns with the zaimph the golden chain between her ankles is broken.

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...This is a pretty darn good tragedy.

But the drift towards economic feminisation, which began with giving them the vote, quite a dramatic departure from an evolutionary point of view, is probably necessary. In an economy so dependent on consumers the natural consumers, women, can't be expected to bear all the burdens. "Shop 'Til Ya Drop" is a bit cruel.

DSK is a sacrificial victim of the transition to feminisation. In Human Sacrifice by Nigel Davies, a prestigious scholar in various fields, there is this--

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Achan was not burnt but stoned to death and buried along with his own family. He was acting out the role of scapegoat: arraigned for an impious offence, he died on behalf of the community in order to restore the links that bound them to their god. His story also serves to illustrate the narrowness of the line dividing criminal justice from human sacrifice.

Maybe there is nothing new under the sun.

It also struck me that the explanation for his reported clumsy attempts to approach women is his familiarity with evolution theory. It must have confused even an alpha male after realising the scientific truth of evolution theory to find the ordinary female in his presence refusing to "present", as they say in veterinary circles, and chattering like a lemur monkey.

After all, the sperm banks do promote the high class nature of their samples and here is a world top forty male for sure, for free, which I bet the sperm banks are not and neither are their samples guaranteed to be what they say they are which his cannot help being.

There's something odd going on. Perhaps the modern female's sense of dignity has taken priority over assurance of quality offspring.

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@spendius,

Do people who pay $x,000 a night for a room know that any member of the hotel staff can enter at any time of the day or night.

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@hawkeye10,

You two or three have already made up your minds that she's a) part of a conspiracy to entrap him and/or b) a ready-made victim out to make $$$$$ off him - in both cases, he's innocent and she's guilty.

He has also, according to you two, been convicted in the press because of the perp walk, even though every single criminal I've ever seen on tv has been in handcuffs, which means it's usual behaviour, nothing out of the norm, but you two feel that in his case it's a persecution. You have also defended him as saying he was probably just 'playing' and it wasn't a rape at all.

As for me, I haven't made up my mind - I'm going on what's been put out there, like everybody else except you two. So far, the facts are:

1. He has a long reputation for hitting on women.... sometimes against their wishes.

2. The maid, who works alone, knocked on the door, heard nothing, entered it to clean.

3. He exited from the shower, naked, and proceeded to chase her. He then forced her to perform oral sex on her (after not being able to get her pantyhose off) against her will.

Enough said. If she resisted having her pantyhose removed, my first thought is "She doesn't want to do this". So, it's a forcible sex crime in my mind.

There very well could be some details in the near future that will affect how I view this, but at this point, this is what I'm going on.

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