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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 07:26 pm
@firefly,
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Only those men who feel they should be able to violate sexual assault/rape laws without incurring any punishment


LOL like going out drinking with the adult girlfriend and having her get piss or annoyed a day or a week afterward and she is then able to declare a consensus sexual encounter non-consensus over the drinking/consent issue?

Like having a groupie approach you on the street and set up a meeting and a sexual encounter in her boss office after hours and then she still get away with at least trying to declare it a rape with the story that she was too drunk to consent after she became pregnancy and she can not simply passed the baby off as her boyfriend as he is sterilize?

It is never the woman responsibility as long as there is a man somewhere to blame for her own bad judgments.

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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 07:35 pm
@firefly,
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DSK may not have been convicted, but he certainly got a big wake-up call--in both the U.S. and France.


Doubtful, he was playing with fire because of some reason of which we are not aware, but he certainly knew the risks. And the treatment of DSK does not tell us anything new, we already knew that the American "Justice" system is broken and that one should only play with like minded people who believe that the government has properly no role to play in our erotic lives. Any woman who shows any signs of willingness to run crying to the state when she decides that she does not like herself in the morning gets cross off the list of potential partners.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 07:50 pm
@hawkeye10,
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Any woman who shows any signs of willingness to run crying to the state when she decides that she does not like herself in the morning gets cross off the list of potential partners.


Hopefully she will get cross off before anything bad happen to some poor guy.

I am getting to the opinion that there should be a data base where a guy can check if a woman had a history of claiming being a poor victim of evil males or not.

Might end up being bigger then facebook as the needs seems to keep growing.

At least you can now google Maria di Toro name and find out that she is bad news something I am sure Greg Kelly wish he could had done before taking her up on her offer of fun and games in her bosses office.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 07:59 pm
@BillRM,
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I am getting to the opinion that there should be a data base where a guy can check if a woman had a history of claiming being a poor victim of evil males or not.


Just like there is already a database on guys who women claim are schmucks. Yes, we should have that. Luckily the BDSM community is not large, so checking up on women is usually doable. It usually comes down to either someone we trust vouching for them or an established record of good behavior. Still, the smart sadist goes slow, and finds out for himself who this woman is who is claiming that she wants to play power games.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 11 Mar, 2012 08:58 pm
@hawkeye10,
Hawkeye, I am safe from such nonsense thanks to a close marriage however I am very worry about my three grandsons given that now females regrets over sex is becoming equal to rape.

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izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 02:21 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:
The collective has the right to protect itself against wayward individuals, that is why we have laws.



Like DSK.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 03:48 am
@izzythepush,
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hawkeye10 wrote:
The collective has the right to protect itself against wayward individuals, that is why we have laws.

IZZY wrote:

Like DSK.


More like a third world con woman looking for a large payday by crying rape falsely or for that matter a NY paralegal who wished to cover up her getting herself pregnancy by someone other then her boyfriend by crying rape.

We do need must more harsher laws and punishments for such women in the US similar to the laws on the books in your country IE the UK.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:14 am
@BillRM,
You are so full of ****. What's actually going on is the opposite to what your twisted mind says it is. From today's Telegraph.


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The poll carried out by the parenting website Mumsnet found that 10 per cent of women had been raped, and 35 per cent sexually assaulted.


Almost of a quarter of victims had been attacked repeatedly, and two-thirds knew the person responsible.


But most of those who had been raped or sexually assaulted (83 per cent) failed to report it to police, and 29 per cent did not even tell friends or family what had happened.


Overall about half said they would be too embarrassed or ashamed of the incident to admit it but two-thirds said they would hesitate because of low conviction rates.

More than half of the 1,609 female respondents to the survey said the legal system, the media and society at large is unsympathetic to rape victims.


http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/9134799/Sexual-assault-survey-80-of-women-dont-report-rape-or-sexual-assault-survey-claims.html

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 05:57 am
@hawkeye10,
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It is also human nature to try to take max advantage of a situation


I remember seeing a bloke dive into the freezing Potomac on the news after a plane crash and he fished a woman out. The report said that he had left the scene and as far as I know he was never identified.

He did this courageous act whilst a film crew were keeping their cameras rolling and no doubt being praised for doing so.

I've heard of blokes who were simply passing by rescuing people from house fires and burning cars who then disappeared.

So I don't think it is human nature to try to take advantage of a situation. I think it is a particular type of personality.

Media is grossly skewed to pander to women. And the DSK case provided an example of how far it has gone and how far it might go if it continues. And it will continue for economic reasons which include how easy it is and how cheap to do.

Vance does not give an on the winger about Ms Diallo. He was milking for votes. And there is a hint that a female assistant opposed him who, most likely, took the same view of Diallo that the majority of women do. And her not bolting from the room as soon as she saw DSK coming out of the shower supports the majority view.

ff presents the incident in the same light as if DSK had clambered up the ivy in a balaclava wielding a knife to her window and ravished her in her own bed.

There is probably not one woman in a 100,000 who has a load of bank accounts each kept just below the IRS notification threshold, associates with drug dealers, has tricked her way into the US and who works the rooms in a posh flop house as a single woman.

Too many people, extraneous to the action of the event, have jumped on the bandwagon for personal gain to allay the suspicion that the case stinks to high heaven. It stunk from the start.

The pedestal was miles too big for the statue.

But one thing was apparent. What is in the woodwork which a sniff of flesh brought into the open.



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spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 06:37 am
@izzythepush,
That's all talk izzy. Rape and sexual assault need to be proved in court before they can be taken as fact and there are cases where they have been proved in court and still not been a fact.

What is Mumsnet up to? I checked it out. The advertising is stupendous. It's a search engine for a vast range of products and services which its lurid publicity stunts attract viewers too in classic Oprah Winfrey style ( talk sex) with the sort of unverified tripe that Mr Beckford has been induced to write in what used to be a fairly trustworthy newspaper.

Are you in favour of the physical separation of men and women because if you are not you are encouraging the growth of the sort of incidents alleged and particularly when women are allowed to dress provocatively in the mixed situations you favour.

Do you think that a civilisation like Islam segregates men and women for no good reason? There were a few young women in the pub last Saturday night who could only be considered to be properly dressed from a legal point of view. And they all had tattoos which is a fashion created in the porn and prostitution industries. One had a snake going from her shoulders to where its head disappeared from view where her bum crack was partially covered by her skimpy backless frock the hem of which was just sufficiently low enough to avoid a glimpse of the gusset as long as she didn't bend forward slightly which she found a number of opportunities to do.

She was obviously not in mourning for the six young lads killed in Afghanistan the day before.
izzythepush
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 11:09 am
@spendius,
So your response to a survey, is basically to accuse all the respondents of lying, or being hysterical. The survey itself answers why so few cases end up in court.

Saying that the only true indicator of rape in the UK are the amount of guilty verdicts in court, is as ridiculous as saying the only true indicator of speeding is the amount of speeding tickets issued, as everyone puts their foot down once they've gone past one of those yellow cameras.

It's nice to know, that as a sign of respect to our lads in Afghanistan, you decided not to wear your hotpants on Saturday night. Good on you.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 01:52 pm
@spendius,
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There were a few young women in the pub last Saturday night who could only be considered to be properly dressed from a legal point of view. And they all had tattoos which is a fashion created in the porn and prostitution industries. One had a snake going from her shoulders to where its head disappeared from view where her bum crack was partially covered by her skimpy backless frock the hem of which was just sufficiently low enough to avoid a glimpse of the gusset as long as she didn't bend forward slightly which she found a number of opportunities to do.

So what? That doesn't mean they "were asking" to be sexually assaulted or raped.

You can see even more revealed bodies on any beach. And most men simply enjoy looking at them.

Are you saying that men can't control themselves--that it's a woman's fault if a sexual assault occurs, because she dressed provocatively, or simply happened to be female? You have a very low opinion of men if you really believe that.

Diallo was wearing her hotel maid's uniform, not a racy outfit, when she entered DSK's room, only to find him gallivanting around in the nude and suddenly coming after her. The idea that what transpired between them was consensual is ludicrous--it defies common sense, particularly since the woman immediately reported being assaulted, and immediately pressed criminal charges--which aren't even the actions of someone out to blackmail or extort money from someone.
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Are you in favour of the physical separation of men and women because if you are not you are encouraging the growth of the sort of incidents alleged...

So, would you suggest that DSK be prevented from ever going near women unless those contacts are supervised by a third party? If he's immediately unable to control himself when he sees a woman fully dressed in a hotel uniform, you certainly wouldn't risk his encountering a provocatively dressed woman, would you?Rolling Eyes
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Rape and sexual assault need to be proved in court before they can be taken as fact...

Nonsense. Rape and sexual assaults occur, whether or not these crimes are ever reported, let alone proved in a court and attributed to specific individuals. You are confusing legal liability for a criminal act with the reality of whether the crime actually occurred. One has nothing to do with the other. There are plenty of unsolved murders, that doesn't mean the victims are any less dead.

spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 02:02 pm
@izzythepush,
I didn't accuse them of lying. I'm sure that they feel genuinely that they were raped or assaulted now that they have had time to ponder the matter. Ms Greer reckons all the women are getting raped all the time.

It is a Orwellian idea that all categories should be reduced to a simple notion in the totalitarian idyll. The smaller number of words the better. Why not just "crime"? All one. All executed for the ultimate treason of disobeying the law. Prison being too expensive.

Let's have the details of the 160.9 alleged rapes and the 509.7 alleged assaults.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 02:04 pm
@firefly,
Of course men can not control themselves that had been your position from the start of the rape thread and the anti rape posters you wish posted around the campuses of this nation threatening prison terms to our young men in order to try to control them by threats.

Also that women are such children that they can not take responsibilities for their own actions and we need to make men have a duty to protected them from their own actions.

firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 03:15 pm
@BillRM,
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Of course men can not control themselves that had been your position from the start of the rape thread and the anti rape posters you wish posted around the campuses of this nation threatening prison terms to our young men in order to try to control them by threats.

Quite the contrary. Men are more than capable of controlling themselves, which is exactly why those who choose to violate sexual assault laws should be held responsible for their actions.

Did I ever say I wanted to have anti-rape posters hung on college campuses? No. This is nothing more than another of your fantasies about me.

Whether people are reminded of rape laws, or drunk driving laws, or even shop-lifting laws, the idea is simply to make them think twice about breaking the laws--and to remind them that such behaviors are illegal. You just have problems with reminding people of the legal consequences of their own actions--the whole issue of personal responsibility is difficult for you to grasp.

DSK was quite capable of controlling himself in that hotel suite--whether he bothered to do so is an entirely different matter.
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 03:28 pm
@firefly,
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the whole issue of personal responsibility is difficult for you to grasp.


LOL an adult woman had zero personal responsibility for her own sexual behaviors under the voluntary influence of alcohol or drugs had been the theme you been trying to sell here forever.

One more your hypocrite nature is showing dear heart.

firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 03:42 pm
@BillRM,
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LOL an adult woman had zero personal responsibility for her own sexual behaviors under the voluntary influence of alcohol or drugs had been the theme you been trying to sell here forever.

No, I think women are responsible for their own consenting sexual behaviors. But they aren't responsible for their own sexual assaults and rapes.

Was Diallo under the influence of alcohol when she entered DSK's hotel suite to clean it?

Do you even remember the topic of this thread?
BillRM
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:04 pm
@firefly,
Trying to get out of your double standards Firefly so if a man is unwise enough to proposition a maid for oral sex then he should not complain if as a result he is falsely charge with rape!!!!!!!!!!!
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:14 pm
@firefly,
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So what? That doesn't mean they "were asking" to be sexually assaulted or raped.


Up to a point yes. Daring might be a better word. Tempting. Teasing.

They look absolutely bloody awful on the beach. And ridiculous.

I do have a pretty low opinion of men. It's mostly fear that keeps them docile.

And we have been told that Diallo did not "immediately" report the matter. We were told she cleaned another room. Which would give her time to get the story straight. And DSK was coming out of the shower we were told. Not "gallivanting". Having no expectation of her coming in. Some men find maid's uniforms extremely exciting.

How do you know what the actions are of someone out to blackmail or extort money.

Quote:
So, would you suggest that DSK be prevented from ever going near women unless those contacts are supervised by a third party?


No. Separate barracks for the sexes. Without that you will have these events. So not being up for that is facilitating their occurrence. And thus providing you with endless opportunities to dwell upon such matters. We wouldn't want our tabloids to be stuck with steel production figures for subject matter now would we? You could have men gelded if it wasn't for the fact that they would have no further interest in your charm displays which half the economy is geared to showing you how to manage.

Perhaps DSK was giving a demo of what he thinks of the beauties on Fox News. That might be be what your so nangie about deep down. All those Fox News bimbos in the vicinity of a $3,000 a night doss-house and he grabs a bloody immigrant **** shifter.

I feel quite sure, in his line of work, that he's encountered more provocatively dressed women that I've had hot dinners. By a factor of 10 probably. Ready for a bit of chthonic atavism. Get down in there with Charlie Darwin, Rider Haggard and Cecil Rhodes. The latter, as you probably know, founding your most prestigious academic award, Haggard a unsung genius, and Charlie--well--he changed the whole world and what can you say about a life of 5 years, in the very prime of life, on the bloody Beagle rather than the daughters of the Shropshire well-to-do.

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Nonsense. Rape and sexual assaults occur, whether or not these crimes are ever reported, let alone proved in a court and attributed to specific individuals. You are confusing legal liability for a criminal act with the reality of whether the crime actually occurred. One has nothing to do with the other. There are plenty of unsolved murders, that doesn't mean the victims are any less dead.


That's nonsense and dangerous nonsense too. There are rape victims who everybody knows was raped as surely as they know the murder victim is dead. It was obvious they had fought to the utmost of their strength. As soon as you start down from there then you have some form of acquiesence. I know a gun or a knife might have caused a surrender to preserve life but aside from that a line has to be drawn somewhere deciding whether the surrender was illegally caused. Now you're in dead trouble ff. That's why you stick to black and white. It's the theology of Prof Greer's statement that all men are rapists. The law deciding whether the surrender was legally caused. Gradations of illegality, reflected at the top end with differential sentencing, coming down to some point of turnover to "not rape".

Now for you to declare that these unreported "rapes" are actually rapes you need to show evidence that the surrender was above the threshold of illegality and not made up after surrendering too easily and afterwards feeling that an untoward advantage had been taken when a text message didn't arrive next day.

And in all this mush sympathy for the spirited lass who puts up a fight dribbles away and she is lumped in, as you lump her in, with all these others whose lipstick wasn't even smudged. And you encourage other women to make similar claims and it becomes a growth industry and that's why its dangerous. So much so that men dare not stop to help a woman driver any more or get in a lift with a woman without others being present. My female tax inspector had to have a male minder for my interviews in case I got fresh with her. On the fifth floor of the IRS building, third office on the left, with a glass panel in the door. And she was about as sexy as a bunch of flowers that have been out in the sun for a month are fragrant. And there's a lot of females in these sort of occupations. And growing. No wonder we're all skint. And skint is highly dangerous.

The next move is to claim that some women are so ashamed of having been raped that they won't even tell a survey team. So the 160 odd in izzy's survey is an underestimate as it only counted those women who would admit it. According to Ms Greer, and many feminists, a gross underestimate.

PS Ms Greer no longer claims to be a feminist and I saw an ex-editoress of Cosmopolitan magazine apologise on TV for the damage she felt she had done women.
firefly
 
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Reply Mon 12 Mar, 2012 04:15 pm
@BillRM,
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so if a man is unwise enough to proposition a maid for oral sex then he should not complain if as a result he is falsely charge with rape!!!!!!!!!!!

He claims he didn't proposition her. He claims this was not a business arrangement--according to him, he "abhors prostitution". His contention is this was consensual. She just couldn't resist the opportunity to have oral sex with him. Laughing ROFL.

If the woman wasn't willing, and freely consenting, those charges weren't false. And he was never charged with rape.

Wait for the civil trial. Let's hear him cross-examined by her lawyers.

 

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