Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@djjd62,

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see, if the authorities had listened to me , and simple executed him on the spot for being an international banker, none of these stupid arguments would be ongoing

We here only talk about his personal life, but in many places around the world he is deeply hated for is economic views and policies that he exercised while leading the IMF.

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@firefly,

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That you choose to trivialize such types of assault, reflects your clearly expressed negative feelings toward women, and your attitude that men, like DSK, are somehow entitled to make such assaults on women.

That is a travesty of what I said. I allowed a severe sentence for assault.

I think the US business ethic is possibly more outraged at the idea that a man might get something for nothing than anything else.

Those who follow the literary directions of Machiavelli, Stendhal and Balzac know that Dame Fortune, and indeed evolution, favours, respects and admires deceit, ruthlessness, passion, audacity, force and vigor. And particulary in war.

Your over-serious declarations imply there is no war between the sexes. In fact the maid portrayed her own countrymen in her allegations of being gang raped. Your strictly business considerations on these matters, talking up the price of women not to put too fine a point on it, are decidedly unromantic. As does your pedantic legal approach.

DSK has no doubt imbued that Frenchified attitude to a chance meeting in the forest and has complimented the maid by taking such risks, assuming he did, in his desire for her which a healthy married woman might yearn for, after doing her duty twice a week for a few years, as is implied by the popularity of the bodice ripping novels and movies we have seen so many of.

But I have little time. I can easily expand upon such matters.

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@spendius,

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as is implied by the popularity of the bodice ripping novels and movies we have seen so many of

Fictional fantasies are quite different than the reality of sexual assaults, and one should not be confused with the other.
Some people love movies filled with all sorts of violent actions, that does not mean they either want to engage in or be the target of violent actions.

Don't confuse reality and fantasy.

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DSK has no doubt imbued that Frenchified attitude to a chance meeting in the forest...

There is no "Frenchified attitude" toward sexual assault--it is illegal in France as well as the U.S. and U.K. And, if the statute of limitations hadn't run out, DSK would have been prosecuted for a sexual assault of Tristane Banon.

The banalty of actual laws seems to bore you, but the fact of the matter is that DSK was charged with violating very specific New York State criminal laws, and he would have been charged with violating those same laws even the person who made the complaint was male instead of female.

I know you enjoy your literary flights of fancy, but they really don't pertain to why DSK found himself charged with crimes last May.

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@firefly,

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, if the statute of limitations hadn't run out, DSK would have been prosecuted for a sexual assault of Tristane Banon.

We dont know this, as authorities never said that. We also dont know if a prosecution attempt would have been successful.

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“For lack of sufficient elements of evidence, prosecution cannot be undertaken on the charge of attempted rape,” the prosecutor’s office said. However, it said, “facts that could be qualified as sexual assault have been acknowledged.

http://www.harpyness.com/2011/10/14/french-prosecutors-agree-dsk-committed-sexual-assault-decline-to-prosecute/

In other words all that has been found is that DSK admitted to a transgression, there is no statement that had the statutes of limitation not run out that he would have been prosecuted. There is also no mention that had the liability not run out that there would be no chance that DSK would have incriminated himself, thus the ability to prosecute DSK has never been demonstrated to have ever existed. This is not simply a case of time running out for France to get DSK, this is a case where the French have not shown that they ever could have gotten him.

All that DSK admitted to was putting hands on Tristan without permission, even if that would have been charged we dont know what crime would have been alleged by the state...we dont know that it would have been a sexual assault charge in spite of the fact that the french prosecutor said that his transgression could possibly be construed as sexual assault.

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@hawkeye10,

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We dont know this, as authorities never said that. We also dont know if a prosecution attempt would have been successful.

We don't know whether the prosecution would have been successful, but the investigating judges did find enough to justify a sexual assault charge against DSK in Banon's case.

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Dominique Strauss-Kahn has been cleared of an attack on a French writer – but judges said he had ‘sexually assaulted’ her.

Despite conceding that he had attacked author Tristane Banon, judges cleared the politician because of the statute of limitations in France, which is three years for sexual assault.

The 62-year-old Socialist politician had been accused of attacking Miss Banon in a flat in the French capital in 2003.

Following a three month inquiry, prosecutors said the violence shown by Mr Strauss-Kahn happened so long ago that a criminal case could not be launched.

Judges confirmed the ‘sex acts’ exchanged between the two had taken place, and that Mr Strauss-Kahn had been unnecessarily violent.

A spokesman for the Paris prosecutors’ office said: ‘It is clear that, for lack of sufficient proof, a prosecution may not be initiated over the count of attempted rape, but facts that could be described as sexual assault have been recognised’.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2048628/Dominique-Strauss-Kahn-did-assault-Tristane-Banon-late-charge-him.html#ixzz1oqXMyH00

It's amazing how you and BillRM have selective memory lapses for things about DSK you don't want to face.

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@firefly,

The brits hate DSK, and there is no need to go to them for information....you have the French documents at hand.

You do it because they spin the story the way you want to spin it. As usual you are only interested in truth when it supports your opinion.

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Strauss-Kahn's French lawyer, Henri Leclerc, told The Associated Press that the ex-IMF chief rejected sexual assault.

"He admitted no assault, no violence of any kind," Leclerc said. He said he didn't understand how the prosecutor could have interpreted the attempted kiss as sexual assault.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/10/13/dominique-strauss-kahn-investigation_n_1008918.html

So what we have here is a difference of views on the facts...there is no reason to assume that the French Prosecutors view of what DSK said is the right one.

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@hawkeye10,

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“facts that could be qualified as sexual assault have been acknowledged".

That means the judges recognized his behavior toward Banon as being sexually assaultive.

And the only reason he wasn't prosecuted was because the statute of limitations for charging him with sexual assault had run out.

You really can't deal with reality, can you?

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@firefly,

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That means the judges recognized his behavior toward Banon as being sexually assaultive.

I dont read French, but my understanding is that what was found is that what DSK admitted to could POSSIBLY be considered sexual assualt.

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And the only reason he wasn't prosecuted was because the statute of limitations for charging him with sexual assault had run out

We have been over this, you can not prove this assertion.....but you will keep saying it under the theory that a lie told often enough becomes the truth.

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@hawkeye10,

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but you will keep saying it under the theory that a lie told often enough becomes the truth.

LOL at times I find myself wondering if in her family tree she had Joseph Goebbels as an ancestor or not.

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@firefly,

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Fictional fantasies are quite different than the reality of sexual assaults, and one should not be confused with the other.

I wasn't talking about fictional fantasies ff. I was talking about the popularity of them. Taking that to mean a demand being satisfied.

You're talking about the surface consciousness of things and ignoring the deeper wellings of instinctive urges. Presumably because it's simpler. Easier to understand. A caricature of a real life event which is itself a fantasy. With a halo around the lady and a devilish leer on the hero. Getting on to a packaged commodity.

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Don't confuse reality and fantasy.

That's what you are doing. It is a fact that a man of DSK's age and condition produces a quite small amount of jism. It would be quite unusual for there to be enough to spit around on the walls and carpets. And that goes double for men who are used to daily performances. And that it takes men of his state and experience a considerable length of time to come to fruition. Certainly sufficient time for a servicing agent of the cunning and intelligence of this one to think up ways of taking advantage of the circumstances. It did have significant prospects. We have no evidence of any violence I don't think. Have we?

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Some people love movies filled with all sorts of violent actions, that does not mean they either want to engage in or be the target of violent actions.

I would imagine most psychologists would question that bold assertion. And anyway--the battle of the sexes is not like other areas of life.

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There is no "Frenchified attitude" toward sexual assault--it is illegal in France as well as the U.S. and U.K. And, if the statute of limitations hadn't run out, DSK would have been prosecuted for a sexual assault of Tristane Banon.

That's just drivel. Of course there is a cultural difference between France and the US on such things. I know sexual assault is illegal. You are just lumping every event under one heading; sexual assault, and there is a vast range of them. Some of the feminists think sweet talk and presents are sexual assault. There are Frenchified standards of sexual assault and American ones. It won't be long before "he looked at me funny like your honour and I felt all my skin was crawling with worms and slugs" gets a guy 15 years in the slammer. And that DSK would have been prosecuted in France over TB is another bold assertion and, like the other bold assertion, means nothing. Which you should know if you've been studying these high powered lawyers.

The alleged event is so trivial to anybody who has been watching the news for a few decades that it beggars belief that it has caused the fuss it has. How many people, some kids, were killed on the roads last year by people breaking the traffic laws. Some burned to death no doubt. And a few drops of jism in a $3,000 a night flop-house by the side of that and you can easy tell there's a bigger story underneath it all. And it's talking up the price of women for my money. Media's fundamental role.

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@BillRM,

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LOL at times I find myself wondering if in her family tree she had Joseph Goebbels as an ancestor or not.

We should be mindful as we watch Firefly constantly strut around A2K her high pitched emotional appeals that the Nazi's were masters at the high pitched emotional appeal. And look where that got the Germans!

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@hawkeye10,

You're the Nazi, what with wanting to sterilise all the 'undesirables,' for the good of the 'collective.'

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@izzythepush,

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You're the Nazi, what with wanting to sterilise all the 'undesirables,' for the good of the 'collective.

I want to sterilize those who should not have kids, and who if they have kids anyway will likely cause a massive unneeded and unjustified expense for the collective. The collective has the right to protect itself against wayward individuals, that is why we have laws.

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@hawkeye10,

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I want to sterilize those who should not have kids, and who if they have kids anyway will likely cause a massive unneeded and unjustified expense for the collective. The collective has the right to protect itself against wayward individuals, that is why we have laws.

The trouble with that is who would get to bell the cat or who do we trust with that kind of powers as we have all kinds of examples of such powers being abused when granted.

Including in the US.

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@BillRM,

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The trouble with that is who would get to bell the cat or who do we trust with that kind of powers as we have all kinds of examples of such powers being abused when granted.

Including in the US.

Agreed.

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@firefly,

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but facts that could be described as sexual assault have been recognised’.

Which means nothing. As I already said some feminists do classify sweet talk, singing romantic serenades and providing presents as bloody rape never mind sexual assault, a phrase you dwell upon more than you really ought to, so obviously "could be described as sexual assault" is proved by those feminists having said so.

I cannot understand how somebody who claims to study high powered lawyers thinks that "could be described as sexual assault" means anything of the slightest importance unless the hpls are all morons.

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@spendius,

Obviously even hawk, Bill and izzy are not ready to face up to what Media's fundamental role is. And it's been obvious for at least 40 years. Allowing advertising on TV could not possibly have any other outcome.

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@spendius,

Isn't it strange that the most cosseted and pampered mass of females history has ever seen before is the most indignant about trivial affronts to feminine dignity.

What the blokes who man the **** pumps think of that has been censored.

I bet Vance thought that if he could cage the head of the IMF he could could get thousands of female votes. If only Veblen was still alive to pen a few paragraphs about this topic it would make March a happy month indeed.

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@spendius,

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Isn't it strange that the most cosseted and pampered mass of females history has ever seen before is the most indignant about trivial affronts to feminine dignity.

No, it is human nature to always want "more". It is also human nature to try to take max advantage of a situation, once women had men feeling guilty it was gravy time. We should wake up and smell the coffee, it is men who are systematically disadvantaged now.

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@hawkeye10,

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We should wake up and smell the coffee, it is men who are systematically disadvantaged now.

Only those men who feel they should be able to violate sexual assault/rape laws without incurring any punishment. They certainly do "wake up and smell the coffee" when they find themselves being the target of criminal investigations, or being slapped with criminal charges, for violating those laws, don't they?

DSK may not have been convicted, but he certainly got a big wake-up call--in both the U.S. and France.

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