Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

@BillRM,

You forget that more than one woman accused him of sexual assault--and the French writer publicly made her accusation long before the NYC incident. And the recent formal investigation of her complaint did find evidence of possible sexual assault, but the statute of limitations did not permit the matter to go further. It definitely did not exonerate DSK--and neither did the dropping of charges against him in NYC--in neither case was he found to be totally "innocent" regarding the allegations.

And then there were all the numerous complaints from other women about his overly aggressive sexual approaches (even prostitutes in NYC complained about that, in addition to women he approached socially), the complaint of sexual harassment while he was IMF chief, and now he's being investigated about his involvement in the prostitution ring. And the civil case with the hotel maid, which is about to get underway, is going to keep publicity focused on this area of his questionable conduct.

The man is a sleaze.

You want to believe that this is all the work of set-ups by his political enemies? Do you believe in the tooth fairy too? Laughing

You really do have a problem with the whole issue of personal responsibility. He's dealing with the consequences of his own behavior. In the past, the French media did protect him. Once the world media took a look at him, all sorts of unsavory revelations began pouring forth. And that's what he's got to live with now.

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@BillRM,

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Yes sir such a woman would never falsely file charges looking for a big pay day

Her charges weren't false--he admits there was a sexual encounter, after first denying it, of course. Why would he have initially lied and denied the sexual encounter? He was the one who clearly lied about what took place, at least once.

A woman who wants a big pay day, blackmails a man, she doesn't file criminal charges--let alone file them immediately. Once she files criminal charges, her bargaining chip for money goes down the drain.
And, only if the man is guilty will this result in a civil settlement somewhere down the line--it means he's afraid to go to trial in either criminal or civil court because damaging evidence against him will emerge (as was the case with Kobe Bryant, who pretty much admitted he sexually assaulted the woman in his case when he publicly apologized to her and got her to drop criminal charges, in exchange for a civil settlement. And Bryant, like DSK, had also initially lied and denied that any sex had taken place.).

Strauss-Kahn's version of the events in that hotel room are just not credible. Why on earth would this woman have suddenly decided to have sex with him after entering his room to clean it? DSK said this was not a monetary transaction--that it was simply a consensual encounter. As Dershowitz demonstrated, that story doesn't ring true at all. DSK's credibility is much worse than the maid's. And his motivation for lying is much clearer than hers--he was trying to avoid a conviction and jail time.

The civil case against DSK should be very interesting.

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@firefly,

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You forget that more than one woman accused him of sexual assault

Bill forgets everything that doesn't fit in with his version of events, his argument over this, and almost every case involving the law, is to paint such a favourable depiction of events as to lose all credibility. I'm sure he actually believes this though, in his narrative all rapists, viewers of child pornography and drunk drivers are victims of a legal system gone mad, slave to the demands of a bunch of crazed Andrea Dworkin lookalikes who have cowed all men into submission.

The fact that he believes this narrative says more about him than what actually happened in the hotel room.

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@izzythepush,

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Bill forgets everything that doesn't fit in with his version of events,

Unfortunately, that also keeps him from absorbing new information and incorporating it into his thinking--that's why he doesn't learn anything. He just keeps going round and round in circles in his own endless loop.

That's why he can't actually consider what others post--he's got to just dismiss it--it's too complex for him to try to integrate, it's too confusing for him.

He believes only what fits in with his preconceived ideas, or what he thinks will make him look good in terms of things he's revealed about himself, or things he's been accused of.

He wants us to think his ex-wife made a false accusation against him when she accused him of assault and got an Order of Protection against him. So, he harps endlessly about women being liars and making false allegations, ignoring, of course, that men lie as well, often by contending that sex was "consensual" when it was not.

He wants us to think the others in the park were crazy when they felt uncomfortable about seeing him with kittens and engaging with children. So, he irrationally insists all men are viewed this way, and that men are the "new blacks"--ignoring the fact that his own behavior did not seem "innocent" to those who observed him, because it appeared to be a classic animal lure used by pedophiles. So, he then irrationally denies that pedophiles even use such lures with strange children, although it is well known that they use such tactics.

Meanwhile, he's the one who keeps telling us those things about himself, and about situations in which other people had problems with his behavior.

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@firefly,

It's really ironic that the more he tries to portray himself as an ordinary Joe, the more disturbing he appears.

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@izzythepush,

most of the ordinary joe's i meet* are quite disturbing

dj(one of those j's stands for joe)jd62

* well the one i see in the mirror each morning anyway

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@firefly,

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. Who knows, they might even ask Dershowitz to join her legal team.

I hadn't thought of that possible bonus because I assumed classes at Harvard were taught by people above such sordid matters. Keeping his class awake and attentive, bright-eyed and bushy-tailed even, is sufficient unto itself to the dedicated teacher.

Does DSK intend presenting himself for the civil case?

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@firefly,

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It definitely did not exonerate DSK--and neither did the dropping of charges against him in NYC--in neither case was he found to be totally "innocent" regarding the allegations.

He has no need to be found innocent--he is innocent.

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The man is a sleaze.

Most men are as well. Some have more nerve than others. Or are less cowed by folk like you. You are in effect praising the virtue of the cowed and nervous. That should do wonders for American manhood.

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You want to believe that this is all the work of set-ups by his political enemies? Do you believe in the tooth fairy too?

Come, come ff. Are we to believe that you habitually socialise with people who are impressed with such grotesque dross as that.

And one needn't believe he was set up to allow that it's a possibilty. To allow that it is is not comparable, in any way, with a belief in the tooth fairy. Have you Americans had the tooth-fairy argument drummed into you at college?

To believe that it was not a possibility is nearer to believing in the tooth fairy because both beliefs are equally barmy.

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@spendius,

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Does DSK intend presenting himself for the civil case?

I believe he will be present. He's the accused, he really has to be there.

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He has no need to be found innocent--he is innocent.

Not true--definitely not in the case of the French writer, where the investigation did find justification for a sexual assault charge.
And it's not true in the NYC case, where the D.A. made it quite clear that the dropping of charges was not to be considered an exoneration, they simply weren't going forward with the prosecution.

There is a big difference between not being found legally guilty and being innocent.

If DSK was set-up, then whoever set him up simply counted on his being his usual boorish, sexually aggressive, self. It was his own behaviors that have ensnared him and have damaged his reputation.

DSK's version, that the sexual encounter with the hotel maid was consensual, just isn't credible. Particularly since he first claimed he wasn't even in the hotel room with her, and that no sex took place. So, we know he lies.

Most men aren't sleazes, but this one is. And his sleazy behavior is no longer being hidden under wraps by the media. The French people should be glad all of this became known and interfered with his possibly becoming their next President.

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Strauss-Kahn's Cambridge visit is an irresponsible use of a potent platform
The Union Society has a responsibility to reject a speaker with Dominique Strauss-Kahn's record of serial misogyny
Meera Patel
guardian.co.uk
Friday 9 March 2012

Following a petition by Cambridge university Women's Campaign, a group of protesters will later this afternoon meet outside Greater St Mary's Church in Cambridge. They are marching to the Union Society to demonstrate against a speaker's event invitation to Dominique Strauss-Kahn, and I will definitely be joining them.

I think that an institution like the union has a responsibility to reject a speaker with a record of serial misogyny, in the same way that I feel that they would have a responsibility to reject a speaker with a record of serial racism. For me, DSK's behaviour certainly fulfils the former category: take, for example, the case of journalist Tristane Banon, of which the prosecutor said in a statement contained "facts that could be qualified as sexual assault". In addition to this, his international renown as a womaniser speaks volumes. But perhaps most distressing is his approach to the allegations made by Nafissatou Diallo. The issue isn't whether or not Strauss-Kahn raped Diallo, our focus rests with his argument that previous lies told by the maid invalidate any future claim of suffering sexual violence.

For me and many others, attendance of the protest is part of a wider rejection of the cultures of misogyny and rape apologism. The protest is particularly directed against the treatment of Diallo's attempt to make rape allegations, as this mirrors a persistent, international trend: the trivialisation of sexual crimes and accusations. This is a theme all too prevalent in England, where the rape conviction rate is 6%. Part of the event later on will be an inclusive platform to discuss these issues.

The Union Society argues that their invitation extends to an economist, and that his personal life is irrelevant. They reject the Women's Campaign belief that DSK's reputation is as much based on his notorious misogyny as his economic involvement. While the personal life of Strauss-Kahn should not be subject to our judgement, by treating numerous women appallingly, DSK has forced the situation.

The campaign has been condemned by some for allegedly repressing freedom of speech. Indeed, the Union Society defends his invitation on these very grounds. I've always been a staunch defender of freedom of speech, but I do understand that there is a difference between systematic oppression and the provision of a platform. For the public, the union is often assumed to represent Cambridge, not least because of confusion with the Student's Union – a separate body. Thus the invitations offered by the union make a significant statement. Access to such a platform should be managed responsibly. Freedom of speech does not equate to a right to a powerful platform.

I've found the Women's Campaign quite an empowering platform myself. It has engaged with the theme of International Women's Day 2012 – connecting women, inspiring futures. The demonstration is set to provide an inclusive space to talk about issues from rape apologism to cultures of misogyny. Far from oppressing freedom of speech, I feel like the overwhelming support for the campaign has given voice to those many who live without a direct line to the media. What started as a small-scale campaign has snowballed, bringing issues of sexism and sexual crime in to the national sphere. In addition, some protesters are also using the opportunity to express dissatisfaction with the IMF. While some individuals have felt the need for direct action, separate to the official protest, I particularly respect the campaign's ability to create a strong response without having impinged on the Union Society's rights.

Despite the retention of the invitation, I feel like the campaign has won a wider victory. Before the protest has even started, we've brought issues that are so often overlooked to a broad audience.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/mar/09/dominique-strauss-kahn-cambridge-visit?newsfeed=true

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@firefly,

They are marching to the Union Society because they like marching and especially if there's a chance of being seen on the News which there will be if they can ratchet up the excitement enough.

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Access to such a platform should be managed responsibly.

Bollocks!! Is Meera setting herself up as the unofficial decider of what is responsible. Has the Union Society the right to invite DSK or not?

What is not misogyny? Couldn't anything which falls short of handing women total control be said to be misogyny?

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@spendius,

"Misogyny" is a term bandied about gratuitously as an all purpose insult by women who can't get on terms with men and by men who seek to ingratiate themselves with women on the cheap and easy.

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@firefly,

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and the French writer publicly made her accusation long before the NYC

Yes a woman with an ax to grind along with her mother a former lover of DSK.

So the reporter/writer may have slightly more credibility then the maid however you can not add the maid and the reporter claims together to prove anything as the maid had zero repeat zero credibility.

The French reporter claims need to stand on their own and given all I know of the woman and her mother that does not reach anywhere near to the point we could make any kind of moral judgment on him.

As far as other women I had hear claims such as Air France would not use females crew members on the planes he flow and none of it turn out to be true.

You can full the air with claims with no backing that does not make then true!!!!!!!!!!!

Just because you are of such low morals that you are willing to claim that I am a CP trader and a drunk to try to discredit my arguments does not make it true and just because some of DSK enemies are of similar mind does not give such libels any weight at all.

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@firefly,

The civil trial will never happen as there is zero point in putting such a woman on the stand to be torn apart as few in the history of the Western legal system had been torn apart.

A first year law student could do a number on her let alone the kind of lawyers DSK have backing him.

I guess that the maid poor lawyers are dreaming that somehow and for some reason DSK will pay them enough to at least cover their expenses to go away.

By taking the time to show up is England at a protect that is a clear indication that they know they can not win in a court room.

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@spendius,

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"Misogyny" is a term bandied about gratuitously as an all purpose insult by women who can't get on terms with men and by men who seek to ingratiate themselves with women on the cheap and easy

Oh please, even you can do better than that at expressing your own misogyny. Laughing

http://www.kartoen.be/cartoons/happysad/misogynist.gif

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@BillRM,

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The civil trial will never happen...

It sure will. It's already going into in pre-trial hearings

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DSK's NYC Court Hearing on Maid Lawsuit Postponed
Criminal charges were dropped last year, but the maid is seeking monetary damages.
Mar 6, 2012

A New York court has postponed a hearing on a lawsuit filed against former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn on a lawsuit filed by the woman who accused him of sexually assaulting her in a Manhattan hotel.

Prosecutors dropped criminal charges against Strauss-Kahn last year, but his accuser has continued to seek monetary damages in civil court.

Court spokesman David Bookstaver said Tuesday that the hearing will be held March 28 in the Bronx. It was originally set for March 15.

The hearing is being held to deal with issues that have to be resolved before a trial, which has yet to be scheduled.

Strauss-Kahn wants the lawsuit dismissed because he says he had diplomatic immunity. He isn't required to attend the March court session.

The woman who says she was attacked is Nafissatou Diallo. Her lawyer, Kenneth Thompson, says she is "looking forward to her day in court and can't wait to get to trial."
http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/DSK-NYC-Court-Hearing-Postponed-Maid-Lawsuit-141640613.html

The creep is trying to claim diplomatic immunity. Laughing

That won't work.

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A first year law student could do a number on her..

No, her lawyer will acknowledge that she might have lied on her immigration application. That doesn't mean she was not telling the truth about being sexually assaulted by DSK.
And, as Dershowitz pointed out, DSK lied. He said there was no sex, he said he wasn't even in the hotel room with the maid, he was having lunch with his daughter. He didn't admit to it until confronted with DNA evidence of his lie.
Yup, that sure gives him credibility. Laughing

So, we're left with his claim that this was a non-monetary fully consensual sexual encounter. Yeah, sure, the mere sight of his 62 year old pauchy naked body filled the maid with such lust she couldn't control herself and she risked her job just to have a few minutes of oral sex with him. Laughing

ROFL

Don't ask what her lawyers will do to that defense. Laughing

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@BillRM,

BillRM wrote:

By taking the time to show up is England at a protect that is a clear indication that they know they can not win in a court room.

?????????????

Notice the difference here Bill. I use a lot of question marks when you post a load of unintelligible gibberish. You use a lot of question marks when I use a word that isn't in Bill's First ABC.

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@firefly,

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It sure will. It's already going into in pre-trial hearings

I already won the bet on the criminal trial remember????

I wish in a way that I am wrong as it would be amusing to see what would happen to that con woman on a strand.

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@firefly,

The strip cartoon is pretty accurate ff. If we didn't want to **** women we would keep them in cages and feed them on bananas. Absolutely. No question about it. A man really does have love and adore women to put up with bullshit, insanity and stuff.

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By the way does anyone know if the DA investigators film the interview where the maid is said to had Collapse from the emotional stress of reliving the gang rape than never occur?

I would love to see the look on the jury members faces if they have that tape to play for them.

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