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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2011 06:45 pm
@firefly,
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There is no evidence she agreed to anything.
Does not matter according to American law, because there is no evidence that he forced her to do anything, and it is his guilt that needs to be proven not his innocents.

OH wait, scratch that, as we have diverted sex law from the Constitution.
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firefly
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2011 06:53 pm
@hawkeye10,
The issue was one of consent, the lurid details do not matter (as much as you love repeating them), and it was never established that she consented to anything. She entered his hotel suite, believing it was unoccupied, in order to clean it. Under such circumstances, he should have explained, in his French TV interview, how any sexual encounter came about.

Anyway, this criminal case is over. It remains to be seen whether he will be charged in France.

I'm more interested in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray now. The testimony in that trial has been fascinating so far. As far as I'm concerned, DSK is old news.
BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2011 07:09 pm
@firefly,
Yes Firefly we should believe anything she said why???

She did not know his was in the room and we should believe that because the same woman who had lie about her actions that could be check on after the event stated that she did not know?

She did not know who he happen to be and the same question come to mind why the hell with her many many lies would we give that claim any credit?

It seem a given that all her words and claims without other backings had been shown to be completely worthless.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2011 07:12 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
It seem a given that all her words and claims without other backings had been shown to be completely worthless
We know enough about Vance to know that he would have gone forwards if he could have found evidence against DSK. He looked for many weeks, and did not find it. As far as I am concerned DSK is as bleached as bleached can be in the fucked up American "justice" system.
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BillRM
 
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Reply Wed 28 Sep, 2011 07:20 pm
@firefly,
Quote:
I'm more interested in the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray now. The testimony in that trial has been fascinating so far. As far as I'm concerned, DSK is old news.


I bet it is old news that you would like to forget as once more the woman behind a rape claim again a powerful man had been shown to be a lying con woman not the pure hard working lower class maid who was attacked by the evil and powerful white male you was trying to sell at the start of this thread.

Oh I forgot she was support to be very religion also. Perhaps that is why she decided to hang out and sleep with drug dealers as like Jesus she needed to be with the sinners to show them the error of their ways beside opening banks accounts for them.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 03:04 am
Tristane and DSK are currently having their "CONFRONTATION".....I am none too clear on what success is supposed to look like, as the purpose is very murky.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 03:52 am
@firefly,
Quote:
As far as I'm concerned, DSK is old news.


Why do you keep returning to the matter then?
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 07:46 am
@spendius,
When Brutus was killed in the battle with the Tarquinians and the Veientes he was given a big funeral. The Tarquin of Lucrece fame being the leader of the invading enemy.

I'll let the great Livy take up the tale--

Quote:
His colleage's funeral he celebrated with all the pomp then possible; but a far greater honour to the dead man was the general grief, which was particularly conspicuous inasmuch as the matrons mourned a year for him, because he had been so spirited an avenger of outraged modesty.


In fact he had "used" the vengeance of outraged modesty trick to ride to power by getting Tarquin exiled for outraging it. And at a time when they thought nothing of marrying their young, virginal daughters to any old goat if an alliance was promising.

So it's nothing new. Vance and those newspapers ff showed us were amateurs. If Vance isn't ousted then he was in a win/win situation. Which is illegal in the betting industry. And DSK was in a lose/lose situation. Which is also illegal with bookies. The most honest men for many a mile.

And our maid hasn't stabbed herself in the heart from shame as Lucrece did. So her outraged modesty, and that of ff's, is relative. Open to negotiation so the speak. A deal. The song and dance about how shamed the maid feels can be taken with a pinch of salt. One expects that sort of thing during the negotiations. And it plays well with the matrons.

It was a ride on a milk-float for Vance.
spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 07:50 am
@spendius,
A blow on a ragman's trumpet is worth more than they'll ever get off DSK.
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spendius
 
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Reply Thu 29 Sep, 2011 08:04 am
@spendius,
BTW--Livy's Latin reads -- violatae pudicitae fuisset. Which sounds less modest than the translation to me.
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firefly
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 08:37 pm
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DSK's French Accuser Speaks
September 30, 2011
By Tracy McNicoll

French police continue their inquiry into a young writer's accusation of attempted rape against former International Monetary Fund chief Dominique Strauss-Kahn. On Thursday, Tristane Banon, 32, and Strauss-Kahn, 62, met at a Paris police station, their first encounter since 2003, when Banon says Strauss-Kahn tried to rape her during an interview. The meeting is presumed to be the investigators' last move before authorities decide how to proceed: either they'll bring charges against Strauss-Kahn, decline the case on the grounds of a statute of limitations—if they find the accusation falls under the category of sexual assault rather than attempted rape—or drop the proceedings altogether. By all accounts, no matter what happened in the sparsely furnished Left Bank apartment where the writer and politician met alone, making a legal case eight years later is going to be difficult. But right now, the public-relations battle increasingly appears to be Banon's to lose.

The meeting of accuser and accused, a so-called confrontation, is standard practice in France. It allows investigators to parse contradictory stories in real time, and rehash the course of events with both parties present. Banon and Strauss-Kahn appeared without their lawyers, and reportedly did not address one another directly while they were interviewed by police. Banon has claimed that she fought off Strauss-Kahn when he behaved “like a rutting chimpanzee,” trying to pull off her jeans and unclasp her bra. Strauss-Kahn has called Banon's version “imaginary.” According to leaks from his solo interview by police earlier this month, DSK admitted that he tried to kiss Banon, but said he was rebuffed and dropped his advances. On Thursday, both parties reportedly stuck to their stories throughout the session, which lasted more than two hours.

Banon brought her allegations against the one-time Socialist Party presidential frontrunner to the police in early July, just after Manhattan prosecutors began to question Sofitel chambermaid Nafissatou Diallo's credibility, and the viability of her attempted-rape case against Strauss-Kahn. However, throughout the summer, Banon remained noticeably silent on the matter, mostly letting others speak for her—notably her mother, Anne Mansouret, an elected Socialist who told police in July that she had engaged in “brutal” if consensual sex with Strauss-Kahn herself years before her daughter's alleged run-in.

In recent weeks, as Strauss-Kahn returned to Paris after criminal charges were dropped in Manhattan, and as rumors swirled that Banon's own case was doomed, the writer has stepped up to speak for herself. Last week, appearing on the popular talk show Le Grand Journal just 24 hours after Strauss-Kahn's first interview since his arrest, Banon announced that if French authorities dropped her case, she would bring a civil suit against Strauss-Kahn. Last weekend, Banon joined feminist groups protesting violence against women outside Paris's main courthouse, a demonstration that was sparsely attended but heavily covered by local media due to her presence. And Thursday evening, hours after the police confrontation, Banon appeared on the TF1 nightly news, on the same set where Strauss-Kahn gave his first interview on Sept. 18, to call DSK a liar.

Until this month, the usual stock footage of Banon was from years ago, when she appeared on an unusual talk show where guests sit around a candle-lit dinner table. As she told her story through nervous laughter, with Strauss-Kahn's name censored, it made the tale seem like offhand dinner gossip. Later, she was often pictured being hurried to a car by her lawyer, with her Weimaraner dog romping behind them. As the accuser in the wings, Banon seemed every bit the eccentric writer. But she may well benefit—and Strauss-Kahn's image may suffer further—from her decision to speak for herself. Wispy, pale, with a down-to-earth speaking manner, her hair tousled, wearing jeans and a T-shirt and a leather jacket for an important interview, she is strangely ageless. She is 32, but could easily pass for 16—and her every-daughter appearance could well affect women watching at home who have yet to buy into Strauss-Kahn's attempted image remake.

On TF1 on Thursday night, Banon recounted the day's confrontation with Strauss-Kahn, saying she maintained her accusations in the face of the accused. “I know, I am certain, that he would have raped me… if I hadn't been able to escape,” she told TF1's popular anchor Laurence Ferrari. “I had in front of me exactly the same Dominique Strauss-Kahn that I saw Sunday night on your set, with the same arrogance, the same coldness,” said Banon. “Sincerely, I thought he would apologize, not that he would admit to the crimes, but that he would apologize at least for what he has conceded. He didn't even do that. He didn't even dare to look at me.”

Strauss-Kahn has filed a libel suit against Banon for her attempted rape allegations. But Banon did not shy from commenting on his other troubles. Asked on TF1 if she was surprised to hear that Strauss-Kahn's American lawyers were pleading for his diplomatic immunity ahead of the civil suit by Nafissatou Diallo, Banon answered, “No, it seems just like him. But I wonder about the necessity for diplomatic immunity for an innocent person. Me, as far as I'm concerned, if I were wrongly accused of something, I don't need diplomatic immunity. The truth is enough.”

After the interview, Strauss-Kahn's lawyers responded with a communiqué maintaining that, “Dominique Strauss-Kahn formally contests having assaulted Madame Tristane Banon and notes that she is also lying about how the confrontation this morning unfolded.”

Strauss-Kahn, who—between his Sept. 18 interview on TF1 and Thursday's police confrontation—spent time at his villa in Marrakesh, has failed to resuscitate his image since returning to Paris on Sept. 4. In a French poll following his long-awaited first TV appearance, only 4 percent of those surveyed felt his image had improved with the interview, compared to 56 percent who thought it had not changed and 31 percent who thought it had deteriorated. A new poll out Friday in Elle magazine in France shows that 54 percent of French women surveyed approve of the supportive attitude of Strauss-Kahn's wife, Anne Sinclair, throughout the Sofitel affair, even though only 17 percent think Sinclair believes her husband is innocent. But more pointedly 74 percent of the women surveyed say that personally, they would have left him.

Strauss-Kahn's Socialist Party, meanwhile, has taken its distance, with interim party leader Harlem Désir declaring that DSK is “no longer an actor” in French political life. The party, after months of shock and soul-searching, finally appears to have moved on, as primary ballots loom in October. The Socialist frontrunner for the nomination, François Hollande, is polling very well, while President Nicolas Sarkozy is hamstrung by a series of scandals involving his associates. The 2012 presidential election today doesn't seem quite so unwinnable for the Socialists as it did on May 15 as France woke up to the staggering news of Strauss-Kahn's arrest just days before he was expected to declare his candidacy.

For Dominique Strauss-Kahn, there remains a possibility that neither of his accusers, Diallo in the Bronx or Banon in Paris, will see their cases go to any sort of trial. But in the eyes of his home country, where he enjoyed sky-high popularity only months ago, DSK's triumphant return has been anything but.
http://powerwall.msnbc.msn.com/politics/dsks-french-accuser-speaks-1703081.story
BillRM
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 10:00 pm
@firefly,
Yes Ms Tracy McNicoll writings had been about as even handled from the very first as your postings.

I am sure that we can take her judgment and the polls of what the French people are thinking she had come up with to a bank perhaps located in Greek or one of the other countries on the verge of total financial ruin.

A good sexual soap opera is well worth the collapse of the EU.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 10:43 pm
@BillRM,
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Yes Ms Tracy McNicoll writings had been about as even handled from the very first as your postings.
Let's not forget that she works for NewsWeek, the one who likes to emulate the National Enquirer

http://africasacountry.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/newsweek-cover-dsk-maid-interview.jpeg

Between the weepy Ophelia Promotion Project inside and the grossly prejudicial doctored photo on the cover there is no doubt about what Tina Brown is up to this time.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sat 1 Oct, 2011 11:23 pm
@hawkeye10,
By Tina Brown
Sep 13 2011

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Today we celebrate the launch of a new venture from Newsweek and The Daily Beast—our Women in the World Foundation, and a new web channel for its activities.

The foundation was born out of the enthusiasm that poured forth from our annual Women in the World summits, those three day events in March 2010 and 2011 where we convened—and will again in March 2012—global firebrands and brave activists to tell their inspiring stories about successes and travails that rarely get coverage in the news noise. Some of our storytellers had never left their villages before attending; others—like Hillary Clinton, Madeleine Albright, Condoleezza Rice and Christine Lagarde—are globally renowned but brought their spotlight to the causes of women who needed so badly to be seen.

The summits stirred a tremendous response from the audience in the theater and online. At The Daily Beast we were besieged by requests for more information about how attendees could stay engaged with the issues we brought to the stage by giving time, money or expertise. There are so many NGOs working with women, so many causes that need help. How to sort through it? How to decide where the greatest impact can be made? And how to foster collaboration between them to become a force multiplier? It was clear to us that what was needed was an umbrella organization that would promote and propagate all the innovative work by organizations working with women and combine it with stories that brought them vividly to life.

So we took the leap.

In April of this year, we invited Kim Azzarelli who had worked so ably at Goldman Sachs and Avon Products—with whom she founded the Avon Global Center for Women and Justice at Cornell University—to come aboard and launch the Women in the World Foundation. She quickly attracted three generous founding partners to set us on our way: Africa Global, Ford Foundation, and The Rockefeller Foundation. She also lined up contributors ANN INC., Marvell Technologies and McGuire Woods to sponsor the tracks on technology, leadership and law and justice.

Tonight, at a kick-off gala co-hosted by Meryl Streep, Wei Sun Christianson, Jane Harman, Maya Harris, Donna Karan, Liya Kebede, Dr. Judith Rodin and Diane von Furstenberg, we hear more about our mission with powerful discussions on honor violence, Michelle Bachelet’s impressions of the fallout of the Arab Spring and Liberian revolutionary Leymah Gbowee’s memories of the movement she led against the savage dictator Charles Taylor. But as the foundation grows, we will be able to do more than tell the vibrant stories of women in the journalism of Newsweek, and The Daily Beast and the live conversations at our summits. We will also be able to support the solutions.

Join us and help the new Women in the World Foundation grow!

Women in The World Foundation Mission Statement

The Women in the World Foundation is a powerful, new initiative dedicated to highlighting and driving solutions for advancing women and girls.Building on the success of the Women in the World Summits and harnessing the journalistic power of Newsweek & The Daily Beast, the Foundation will serve as a resource to all who seek to learn about and engage on the issues facing women and girls. The Foundation will, in addition, convene courageous women of impact, provide strategic grants to select non-profit organizations, and foster much-needed collaboration between organizations.


http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/09/13/women-in-the-world-foundation-launch-by-tina-brown-and-kim-azzarelli.html

Yep, no doubt at all about what Tina Brown is up to. Then again her journalism bonafides were always extremely shaky at the best of times.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2011 05:16 am
@hawkeye10,
Ford Foundation and The Rockefeller Foundation are backers of this nonsense and yet the founders of either foundations would had been shock and outrage at what their foundations had turn into.

The last resistant to what the Ford foundation had now become ended at Henry Ford the third death in the 70s or so.

When Ford the third did step in to end some grants there was one hell of a fight with people pointing out how dare he as he and the rest of his family no longer had control of the foundation. As Henry was Henry he won that battle but lost the war.

One wonder if there is anyway to set up foundations that would not allow them to cause shame to the founders if they could return and see what their foundations are doing in their names.


spendius
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2011 07:06 am
@BillRM,
We don't want that Bill. The dead can't be allowed to determine future life. That's what happens in evolution where future life is determined by the dead because animals are too thick to determine it for themselves. Nobody is bothered whether Mr Ford and Mr Rockefeller are whirling in their graves.

That's one of the reasons I'm against teaching evolution to schoolkids. It gives them the wrong impression about who we are based on a facile biological similarity between ourselves and the rest of creation which is sufficiently true to confuse them.

When the day comes when men are kept in kennels in the yard and are only allowed in the house to perform such tasks as are beneath a lady's dignity to perform for herself, your strictures will not even be understood and Mr Ford and Mr Rockefeller will be seen as the Founding Fathers of the feminist movement.
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2011 02:13 pm
@BillRM,
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One wonder if there is anyway to set up foundations that would not allow them to cause shame to the founders if they could return and see what their foundations are doing in their names.
Ford maybe, we have to remember that he is the one who insisted that every car must be black when the customer wanted choice, but for the most part successful guys got to be successful guys by understanding the playing field and going with the flow. Today assuming that women are victims and that men are the cause is where it is at, one takes this view to stay in the good graces of the collective so that they can be successful. You and I have seen first hand at A2K what happens to those who resist. The truth is completely besides the point for most people, the desire to ratify their preconceived (often planted by indoctrination aka is the result of brainwashing) ideas trumps the desire to know the truth most of the time. This is partly why some have concluded that we are living through a time of rampant mass mental illness.
BillRM
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2011 06:13 pm
@hawkeye10,
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This is partly why some have concluded that we are living through a time of rampant mass mental illness.


Robert Heinlein the writer had a term for such a period that he predicted would occur to the US and name it the crazy years.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Sun 2 Oct, 2011 06:46 pm
@BillRM,
Quote:
Robert Heinlein the writer had a term for such a period that he predicted would occur to the US and name it the crazy years.
I was reading someone a few years back who claimed that we are currently living though a new dark ages, where the masses are poorly educated and spiritually weak (thus accounting for the mass fear and being able to be lead around by those who know how to play upon that fear), just as dark as were the dark ages we read about in the history books. I cant recall who it was though who said this.
spendius
 
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Reply Mon 3 Oct, 2011 03:45 am
@hawkeye10,
Veblen remarked about 100 years ago that America was something in the way of being a psychiatric ward.

I rcommend to you and Bill the following--

Essays- Dementia Praecox, The Barbarian Status of Women and The Economic Theory of Woman's Dress which can be found in the collection Essays in Our Changing Order edited by Leon Ardzrooni: The Viking Press 1954.

For a more detailed analysis his Theory of the Leisure Class and The Higher Learning in America are useful.

But I must warn you both that the effect on me of reading Mr Veblen was the equivalent of sticking my head in a polarity reversal machine. I advise firefly to steer well clear of Veblen's oeuvre as it is inimical to modern feminine sensibilities.
 

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