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Is the Head of the IMF a Sex Criminal?

 
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 12:16 pm
@firefly,
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This upcoming HBO documentary might be of interest to those following this case.
So the state of NY scores a promotion video from a zealot....the timing is indeed ideal for Vance.

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In a long conversation, the only time that Lisa F Jackson falls quiet is when I ask which moment most affected her in the making of her film The Greatest Silence: Rape in the Congo.
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Jackson had personal reasons for making the film, briefly revealed on screen. In 1976, while she was working in Washington DC, three armed men seized her as she was leaving the office. They "took me into an empty van and raped me", she says. "I didn't know what they were going to do when they pushed me into the trunk of the car and locked it; whether they were going to shoot me, drive somewhere and dump me. I busted through the tail-light to get out, and the moment when that trunk came up, it was like a tomb opening. They had just left me. After getting out of the car, I flagged down a cop car. I went to the hospital, and then went back to my apartment and had a hot bath and a shot of Jack Daniels, and by then it was dawn and I went to work. I was in complete shock for a long time."

Despite making composite drawings of the attackers and attending a few police lineups, no one was ever prosecuted. The attack made the front pages, and rather than being pleased at the spotlight, Jackson was appalled that so many other rapes passed unmentioned. Thirteen years later, she wrote an article for Newsweek in response to an attack in Central Park that had had massive press attention. "That same night in Central Park, three other women were raped," says Jackson, "and the fact that she got all the attention - I flipped ... I was just so angry that we cannot look at this crime - we cannot look at the number of women, we have to fixate on one, because it allows us to ignore the dozens of others. Why isn't every woman who is raped front-page news, like I was?
http://www.guardian.co.uk/film/2008/may/09/women.congo
panzade
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 12:25 pm
@hawkeye10,
great post. Thanks for the info on Jackson.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 12:32 pm
@panzade,
In case there is any doubt that Jackson is pushing an agenda

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"I hope it gives rape survivors who have not come forward the courage to do so," Jackson says of the film. "I hope that it challenges law enforcement units all over the country to look at their own practices when it comes to prosecuting these crimes. I hope that it raises to the highest level the issue of the rape kit backlogs that still exists in so many cities."

"It is one of the most underreported and misunderstood crimes," she says. "And I hope it sheds some light and brings a new discussion of something that is either sensationalized or ignored.

"I hope, maybe, that there are watch parties."

http://www.zap2it.com/news/zap-sex-crimes-unit-story,0,690046.story

You are not likely to find any objectivity in this "documentary"
engineer
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 12:54 pm
@BillRM,
Ah, Godwin's Law proven again.

Douglas MacArthur is remembered for both his exploits in WWII and Korea and for his dismissal during the Korean War. Both serve as object lessons to the generals of today. He had five stars in war time but was not above being removed.
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:02 pm
@engineer,
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Ah, Godwin's Law proven again.

Douglas MacArthur is remembered for both his exploits in WWII and Korea and for his dismissal during the Korean War. Both serve as object lessons to the generals of today. He had five stars in war time but was not above being removed.
You gloss over the fact that his removal is to this day controversial, and also what a cluster **** that war was, perhaps in part because MacArthur was not there to take care of our interests. Then we went on to Vietnam which was even worse. The legacy runs all the way to today where our military was spectacularly unprepared to deal with a gorilla war in IRAQ because our officers had been brought up in a culture that was highly bureacratic and which did not reward those who were risk takers and highly skilled in the field....perhaps in part to the legacy of how MacArthur was treated.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:04 pm
@hawkeye10,
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In case there is any doubt that Jackson is pushing an agenda

Obviously--she feels it is important to educate the public about the operation of one of the most highly regarded sex crimes prosecutor's units in the country so that people may better understand how these crimes are investigated and brought to trial. And she hopes that looking at the Manhattan D.A.'s sex crimes division will challenge other law enforcement units in the country to examine their own standards and practices in dealing with such crimes.

These are very worthy goals--helping the public to have a better understanding of crimes of sexual assault, and how they are prosecuted, may also give sexual assault victims the courage to come forward and report their crimes, particularly if they feel their complaints will be regarded seriously. And, as a rape survivor herself, Ms. Jackson would know how important it is for a complainant to be able to feel a sense of trust in law enforcement.

And, it is excellent timing for HBO to be airing this documentary now, given the interest in the Strauss-Kahn case which is being prosecuted by this office. I plan on watching it.
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You are not likely to find any objectivity in this "documentary"

What you are really saying is that there is no objectivity in your opinion since you make up your mind about things before you have even seen or heard them.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:08 pm
@firefly,
Do you really think everybody is as wet behind the ears as you seem to be ff?
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BillRM
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:08 pm
@engineer,
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Douglas MacArthur is remembered for both his exploits in WWII and Korea and for his dismissal during the Korean War. Both serve as object lessons to the generals of today. He had five stars in war time but was not above being removed.


The survive of the US was not on a knife edge at the time so you could afford to teach moral lessons.

We had any numbers of examples in history where the President of the US at the time did not feel free to teach moral lessons to the generals and put up with amazing bad behaviors from them because the country welfare was better serve by so doing.

The economic future of Europe by most experts is now on the knife edge.

How many lives are you willing to loss and how many countries futures are you willing to place at greater risk over an allege blow job?


hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:12 pm
@firefly,
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Obviously--she feels it is important to educate the public
Educate is the wrong word, educate is a term used when information is presented on a factual basis not an emotionally driven basis, and when those who are educating strive to get all of the relevant facts into lesson, not just one side. This HBO is an advocacy piece, it is PR for a cause, nothing else.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:15 pm
@engineer,
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Should he be immune to the charges against him because of his position? IMO, no.


Everybody should be immune to charges against them. Otherwise we are back to the finger-pointing Salem evil.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:22 pm
@BillRM,
The reason PC comes first in engin's mind Bill is because it's easy and safe. His sanctimony is his mode of expressing aggression. A "crucify him" job. No thinking required. No difficult decisions. Black's black and white's white and he's whiter than the grace of heaven.

He has got all mixed up by thinking DSK is guilty when he has only been accused.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:46 pm
@engineer,
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The US press quashed the Edwards sex scandal for a long time.


What Edwards sex scandal? It is only a scandal for those who want it to be one. Sticking a domestic up the club is far worse than anything alleged against DSK. I didn't know that the US press covered up for Mr Edwards.

The NY press seem to have become judge and jury in our case. As if it is an arm of the NYPD and the Judiciary.

DSK's position as head of the IMF was untenable after what happened in the few days prior to it.

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Now it seems you expect the strong to abuse us and we'll applaude while they do if means they might help us one day, if it suits them.


There is no abuse yet in this case. Why do you continue arguing as if DSK is guilty. Can you not wait until the verdict gets here. The putative general was putatively guilty of rape wasn't he. DSK is guilty of nothing yet.

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Now it seems you expect the strong to abuse us and we'll applaude while they do if means they might help us one day, if it suits them.


I could envisage circumstances where you would accept a helping hand from Satan himself.

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I'm arguing against those who say that there should be no arrest, no charges, no trial because DSK was the head of the IMF.


Well-- I'm not saying that. Did the allegations merit the charge and the treatment is the whole issue? That's where we are up to.
spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 01:51 pm
@engineer,
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Ah, Godwin's Law proven again.


Godwin's Law is complete bullshit.
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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 02:17 pm
@firefly,
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And she hopes that looking at the Manhattan D.A.'s sex crimes division will challenge other law enforcement units in the country to examine their own standards and practices in dealing with such crimes.


For that to carry any weight at all we need to have "looking at" carefully studied. The chances of a documentary about any part of a bureaucracy really looking at what goes on inside it are negligible. It will be a home video. Made with the full co-operation of the department with everybody on their best behaviour sufficiently to satisfy engin. A PR job. My mind is made up on that score on the evidence of the hundreds of in-house documentaries I have seen. The cameras are allowed in as long as they show the actors in the best possible light.

In this case, the efforts are designed to make female viewers anxious. You didn't respond to me post on anxiety creation which is very good news for a large number of industries.

You go from one pedantic point to another, all mixed up due to having no connection with each other, and worst of all under an assumption that human activity is a simple as the activities associated with dolls prams and toy forts where all the actors are inanimate objects under your control. Life is not that simple.

If you are not up for the Islamic solution to this problem you are part of the cause of it because these events are going to happen in the circumstances you prefer to operate under for economic advantage. You are being bribed to allow the sexual assaults to take place and you seek to expunge your guilt by indignation freak-outs when they do happen; which they will.

Get thee to a nunnery ff. They have high walls to keep men out and the virtue of ladies intact. It's not men you want--it is some sort of Dalek with a money chute.

hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 02:32 pm
@spendius,
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For that to carry any weight at all we need to have "looking at" carefully studied. The chances of a documentary about any part of a bureaucracy really looking at what goes on inside it are negligible.
WHo controlled the access and the final cut? I think we know the answer before we even ask the question.
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firefly
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 03:13 pm
@spendius,
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Why do you continue arguing as if DSK is guilty. Can you not wait until the verdict gets here.

Why do you, and Hawkeye, and BillRM, continue searching for scraps of evidence that will cast some suspicion or doubt on the hotel maid's credibility or motives? Can't you wait for the trial to actually hear her testimony and to find out what other evidence the state will present to support their contention that Strauss-Kahn committed crimes of forcible sexual assault and unlawful imprisonment?

If you are so interested in searching out the background of the maid, why do you choose to ignore the numerous past reports of DSK's crude, unwanted, aggressive, and harassing advances toward women which, at the very least, certainly suggest that he is capable of the sort of criminal actions he is now charged with. Even the French public now knows a lot more about DSK's unsavory past behavior toward women than they did before his arrest. Part of their initial shock and disbelief over his arrest was due to the fact that much of his inappropriate behavior had been covered-up, in deference to the French privacy laws that shield the powerful from having their dirty laundry aired in public view. Viewed in the context of his predatory reputation, his arrest might still be shocking, but it would also be not at all that surprising. Given what we have heard about him, he may have been walking a very thin line, and occasionally crossing it, for many years.

While evidence regarding DSK's past behavior with women might not be admissible at his trial, it certainly suggests, to many in the public, that the NYPD did not whimsically arrest a totally innocent man without adequate reason to do so. The fact that DSK is presumed legally innocent until a jury decides otherwise, does not mean that we suspend all reason in discussing this case, including the distinct possibility that he actually engaged in the criminal actions with which he is now charged, and the awareness that he might have done similar things in the past without being charged for them. In highly publicized cases, the public generally winds up knowing more information about the defendent than will be presented to the jury because the defense fights to keep certain info out of the courtroom and out of the jury's consideration.

The D.A. believes that DSK is guilty and will try to convince a jury of his guilt. But sexual assault cases are often difficult to prosecute, and the jury will give DSK the presumption of innocence, so that, even if DSK committed those criminal sexual assaults, the D.A. might not be able to erace all reasonable doubt in the jurors' minds. Only by following the actual trial, and all of the evidence which will presented at trial, will both the public, and the jury, be able to arrive at some decision regarding guilt or innocence--and, as happens in many of these high profile cases, the jury's verdict might not agree with the final verdict in the court of public opinion.
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Did the allegations merit the charge and the treatment is the whole issue? That's where we are up to.

Yes, the allegations merited the charges--as is evident from the Criminal Complaint presented in court. Each charge was accompanied by a description of the specific behavior DSK had allegedly engaged in to justify that charge. And the treatment DSK has received is consistent with the treatment of those charged with serious violent felonies in NYC.

But, if what you really want to know is whether the allegations are "true", you are going to have to wait for the trial and then make up your own mind.



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spendius
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 03:31 pm
@BillRM,
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How many lives are you willing to loss and how many countries futures are you willing to place at greater risk over an allege blow job?


Even if the risk is a million to one. engin's hung up about a bit of horseplay. And he's not alone. And it's all out of proportion.

The only thing of interest as things are standing now is who is coming out of the woodwork to have a free feed on it. Bill's blowfly image is confirmed scientifically with Darwin's common ancestor shite.

And obviously the techniques being used to keep the feeding frenzy going. Who wouldn't?? And all the while not addressing the actual causes of sexual assaults but waiting for them to happen and throwing the arms about frantically when they do. As they will continue to do if the causes are not addressed.

Have the sociologists studied sexual assaults related to population densities for example. Or how many men got set onto the route to their pauper's graves by the ruthless behaviour of women. They are just buried as if they had no past. "He was only a hobo but one more had gone".

Why have sociologists not studied those interesting matters. Not on a cover up are they by any chance?

And an alleged blow job has got the fire and brimstone raining down.

I don't think our economy can take much more of this direction. When feeding frenzies of this magnitude are built on an alleged blow job something, somewhere is up a gum tree. And this is only one example. The Jackson case was built on an alleged feel down somebody's underpants. It's like ducats and dubloons pouring out of the sky to the guzzling blowflies. To those who lift them up into the sky it's just plain hard work. And getting harder to keep pace with what is understandably an insatiable demand.
firefly
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 03:55 pm
@spendius,
You keep trying to trivialize the charges against DSK, as though they are no more serious than if he had accidently stepped on the hotel maid's foot--a matter of her "indignation". Try connecting to reality--the man is charged with serious violent felonies.
ossobuco
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 04:24 pm
I'm trying to be good on this thread and put my own hostility for a one time rape that changed my life into perspective, having lived several other decades not being raped. Some of my best friends and husband are and were men (true and a quip too).

I keep having short flash wishes that some posters would be raped and not in a porn sex scenario. At my worst, I figure by a rhinoceros, or rhinoceroses. But not really, that's only a construct as a wake up.

The belligerent and repetitive hostility to women on this thread is boggling.
Thank you to all the women who keep arguing.

I remain not knowing what happened in that room and will wait for the trial.



hawkeye10
 
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Reply Fri 17 Jun, 2011 04:31 pm
@firefly,
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You keep trying to trivialize the charges against DSK, as though they are no more serious than if he had accidently stepped on the hotel maid's foot--a matter of her "indignation". Try connecting to reality--the man is charged with serious violent felonies
as has been explained to you the state opinion on the seriousness of the offense need not be that of the citizens, or me. The state is also of the opinion that the WallStreet executives destroying our financial system though deception is not criminally important enough to lay any charges at all, but that does not mean that we citizens must agree, or do agree.

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