The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

That's reasonable.

Do you see the irony here?

Because Americans are renowned for their sense of irony.

I tried to leave on reasonably amicable terms, but Zardoz came back accusing me of preaching religion when I've stuck to socialism.

And to be honest I'm sick of you both going off on tangents and deliberately misrepresenting what I'm saying.

The point have trying to make is that you won't succeed in any form of "liberal" thinking without accomodating people of faith.

Now if you want to depict me as some missionary with a picture of the pope in my bog then go ahead. It's what you've been doing all along and it's a lot easier than responding to any of the points I've made.

I don't think of you as a missionary. I understand that you take a more middle-of-the-road approach to religion, even though you are not particularly religious yourself. Which, as far as I'm concerned, is fine. What I don't understand is why you expect other people to adopt your position.



I don't think Zardoz accused you of "preaching" religion and I know that I haven't. By returning to respond to Zardoz you're only ensuring that religion will remain topical in this thread.


I think you've misrepresented what both of us have said. For example, you're the only one who mentions "atheism". Neither Zardoz nor I have promoted it.



I don't think this thread was specifically dedicated to promoting political liberalism. And what we say here has no influence on political culture anyway. The OP writes down his thoughts and that's it. It's not supposed to be a manifesto or handbook for political organizers.

In any case, many religious people have accommodated themselves to living in a secular society – I don't think their sensitivities are so delicate that they can't make common cause with non-believers in pursuit of mutually shared goals.



I've responded to your points and you've ignored them. When I've asked you to clarify your points you've ignored my requests. You never identified the 19th century scientists who had never seen a meteorite, for instance. It's difficult to respond to ideas which aren't fully developed.

No, I will never let it go. Anytime you have a chance to stamp out ignorance you are obligated to do so.

I don't spend near as much time on conservative media as I once did but when I listened it was to be able to debunk their trash.

Your thinking is interlaced with magical thinking. A fact to you is a grandfatherly character creating everything you see. God could easily come to earth today and provide proof, the fact that he does not shows that he is no more than a shared illusion.

If reality was a semitruck and it ran over, you still would not recognize it.

To start with I am not a religious zealot, I don't belong to any of the imaginary religions, and I don't advocate any religion. I came not to praise religion but destroy magical thinking in every form.

Well at least this is not a religious holiday. Labor-day brings the Charleston 15 miler, and it was one of toughest ones because of the heat. Out of the 34, 15 millers I have run the heat made it the worst. I will give the magic thinkers a rest to night and write something simple so I can get some much-needed rest.

The Oklahoma school superintendent is at it again. Most schools in Oklahoma have rules about political displays in schools. One student was told he could not fly the American flag in the back of his pickup because it would cause fights in school.

The Oklahoma super of schools stepped in and ruled that the American flag can be flown because these people are patriots. We all seen these monster trucks with the flags flying the back. They have nothing to patriotism; they are to show they are Trump thugs and some of them were used to try and force a Biden bus off the road during the last election cycle. It would be like coming to school with your Trump hat and Trump shirt. It is not respectful to fly the flag in a pickup and use it as a political symbol.

I have always believed that you could use the bible to prove just about anything. This has been proved by the those at the very top of the Christian cult. Slavery the bible sees nothing wrong with slavery and it was widely practiced in biblical times. Rape kill the victim if she cries out. These holier than thou who raised so much cain over Clinton sexual exploits. Trump would just grab them by the pu**y and brag about it. Clinton’s sexual exploits were between to consenting adults. Billy Gham junior was outraged about Clinton lack of character but when Trump cam along all of sudden character didn’t matter.

This is where magical thinking takes over. They go to bible and look for away to help elect a known conman and rapist. Gham comes up with the idea that God uses flawed men and that character no longer matter. If you have a local preacher molesting 4-year-olds. It no longer matters it is just God using flawed men to teach Sunday school. If you find one of your church elders is a serial killer like BTK it does not matter it is just God using flawed men. In essence the message from Christian on high was character does not matter as long as they get what they want. It is this type of magical thinking that will kill Christianity. They can talk the talk but they can’t walk the walk.

The most dangerous man in America today is Elon Musk. Musk bought Twitter so he could use it to take control of politics in America. Musk who is high functioning autistic see nothing wrong with posting fake information and has been known to leave fake information up on X long after he has been notified that it was fake. Now posts on X are advocating doing away with our democracy and replacing with a free-thinking republic and it would be run by high status males (autistic)no women or low T men would be able to participate.

Many people take America for granted they think it will go on forever, but democracy is a gift, and it will only survive with our Virgilene. There will always be people waiting in the wings who will want to create a republic only for those who are free to think.

Only high T alpha males and aneurotypical (hey autistic) are actually free to parse new information with an objective ‘is this true filter it adds. “This why a Republic of high-status males is best for decision making.”

“People who can’t defend themselves physically (women and low T men) parse information through a consensus filter as a safety mechanism.” The post read.

Most of the autistic are in group homes because they can’t take care of themselves, but Musk believes being autistic qualifies him to rule the world.

Trump train. Musk is the richest man in the world but pays almost no income taxes. How is it possible that richest man in world pays little to no income tax? Politics, the republican party has cut the taxes on riches people in the world in the world and borrowed from the social security fund to fund those tax cuts.

Musk like everyone else sees Harris surging in the polls and he realizes he spent billions to buy Twitter so he could take control of politics in America but now when betting parlors in London are giving the odds-on Trump wining the election at only one chance in 100 Musk is getting desperate. So now Musk is using artificial intelligence to put Harris in a communist uniform and claim she is a communist. This sort of attack won’t work in most states but it is very effective in Fla where many are referees from communist countries and mention the word communism and it scares them to death.

The object of the republican party is to destroy our democracy and replace with a dictatorship run by people like Musk. Musk is absolutely serious he sees himself as totally superior to any other human being on earth.

I am the Lord your God, who bought you out of the land of Egypt, and out of the House of slavery; you shall have no other Gods before me.”

The first commandment.

God is affirming that there are indeed other Gods. You can’t have another God before you unless there are other Gods. This shows that the God of the bible was only the God of a small territory, it is inferred that other Gods ruled in other territories. Much of the bibical God is speaking to a certain people that he led out of Egypt. If indeed there are other Gods it undercuts much of the bible. How else can we interpret the words “no other Gods.” Why would God be worried about “other Gods” if there were none. Wishful thinking is a powerful intoxicant. In court you often have “expert witnesses” and in religion you also have “expert witnesses.” People ck their common sense at the door and don’t question the expert witness opinion.

It is obvious that God believed that he was God to a tribe of Israelites. He is a jealous God being God he is jealous of other Gods. What is wrong with that picture? If there were no other Gods, why would he be jealous? God must have ghost writer; in fact, he had many ghost writers, and each had their agenda.

Let’s suppose for a minute that the fairy tale is true. We have a superior being, the most superior in the universe. Now what is this superior being looking for? He wants to be worshiped constantly. This superior being must have a huge inferiority complex to need to be worshiped all the time. It sounds a lot more like men who needed to be worshiped. The whole bible is written from the perspective of men’s point of view.

Would God impose punishment on innocent children for the sins of their parents? Often this punishment was mandated for many generations. In America we don’t believe in punishing children for the sins of their parents. That is one way we can show that American was not founded of Christian values.

The real damage that Trump did to America will outlive him whether he gets elected or not. Trump endorsed a number or religious crazies. At a recent meeting of congressmen, a congress woman from Florida has come out against freedom saying the real purpose we are here for is to serve Jesus Christ. You can’t be free if we are here to serve Jesus Christ. To start with Jesus Christ is a figment of her imagination, so who are you going to serve? You are going to serve someone else’s imagination of what Jesus Christ might want. Jesus wants those people burnt stake and they would do it, they did it before and they would do it again.

Do you really want to trade your freedom to serve Jesus Christ. It is a choice you can’t have both. The congress woman name is Maria Elvira Salazar declared “that each person will serve and praise Jesus as Lord and will preserve this country the way you formed it and the way you envisioned it.” This nut case is in a position where she can make laws. Now is the time to make sure that these people never get near our government again.

Congressman Salazar says, “each person will serve Jesus.” Think about that for a minute, that means each person will become a slave to Jesus. To serve means that you would become a slave.

“Lord, Salazar begins, “everyone who is here comes in accordance right now, based on the power we have as Christians, and tie the hands of Satan and all his demons and send them under the feet of Jesus. We, in the name of Jesus, we declare that each person regardless of their race, nationality, language, will serve you and we will praise you as Lord and we will preserve this country the way you formed it and the way you envisioned it. We declare this in the name of Jesus.”

There is an important truth in Salazar’s her statement. She knows the mind of God. She knows what God envisions. That should tell you a truth about religion it is men who know the mind of God and he did not send them any emails. When it comes to religion you are always dealing with men. Like they say send your money to God but they always give you, their address.

In Oklahoma there is now a big backlash, not from Muslims or atheists, but from teachers about teaching the bible in school. It seems the teachers don’t want Baptists teaching the children of Presbyterians or Mormons teaching 7-day Adventists. All of these different religious sects have different interpretations of the bible.

In Oklahoma the lawsuits are flying this is another reason why religion should never be taught in school. Even though they all fall under the umbrella of Christianity they are quite different. The teaching of Mormons are radically different then the teaching of Baptists. I can see how outraged the Baptists might be if their children were being taught by a Mormons. The school superintendent in Oklahoma will be looking for a new job shortly. BFI may be a good choice.

The roots from which Christianity grew should tell us a lot about the Christianity.

“Every man and woman shall repair in the morning to the divine service and sermons preached upon the Sabbath day, and the afternoon to divine service and catecising, upon pain for the first fault to lose their provisions and their allowance for the whole week following, for the second, to lose the said allowance and also being whipped and for the third to suffer death.”

This was a law in 1610 Viriginia

The foundation of Christianity is rotten to the core. How can any philosophy that was spread by death and threats of death be a valid philosophy. Imagine be murdered by cult members because you refused to attend their cults services. If it took threats of death and death to spread a cult the cult is invalid.

“Extensive religious combinations to effect political object are in the opinion of the (Congressional) committee always dangerous. …All religious despotism commences by combination and influence; begins to operate upon the political institutions of a country, the civil power soon bends under it; and the catastrophe of other nations furnishes an awful warning of the consequences.”

Congressional Committee Jan 19, 1829 when 7day postal delivery was stopped.

The congressional committee was well aware what damage organized religion could do to a country. It a shame the current congress is not aware what catastrophic damage organized religion can do to a government.

The bible may not have invented slavery but they sure refined it. The slave owners in the south used the bible to justify slavery and there was a lot in the bible to support their position. Would a supreme being condone one man owning another? In this case yes.

“The Hebrew bible is rife with slavery. Exodus and Leviticus lay out the laws for beating, selling, buying and raping one’s slaves.”

From “The Founding Myth”

Rules for raping your slaves. Thank God there were rules these slave masters might have gotten carried away. You can see again, and again the bible reflects the times. The bible was not there to change the existing culture. A supreme beings would have changed life for the better not leave a primitive culture intact.

“Jesus endorses slavery too. He tells his disciples a story involving the appropriate force with which to beat a slave. ‘That slave who knew what his master wanted, but did not prepare himself or do what was wanted, will receive a severe beating. But the one who did not know and did what was deserved will receive a light beating.”

From the book “The Founding Myth”

A lot of Christians are looking forward to second coming but this guy but he may bring slavery back with him. What passed for useful information in Jesus’s time was how to beat your slaves. Somehow, I don’t remember the sermon on the proper way to beat your slaves. You would think Jesus would have told his disciples this whole slavery thing is wrong but he didn’t. Modern morality replaces biblical morality.

What does the freedom of speech mean to Trump? it means the freedom to lie your ass off. Trump did exactly that during the debate telling the wild lie about the Haitians killing and eating cats and dogs. There is absolutely no proof this was going on and the moderator called Trump on the lies. Trump believed that the moderators should not have been able to call him on his lies. The Trump campaign used artificial intelligence to make a picture of Trump embracing a Goose and a cat to make it look like Trump was the champion of pets. No doubt they could not get a real picture of a goose and cat with Trump because they would have bitten him.

The schools in Springfield, Ohio are now being threatened by the Trump thugs and are having to close. How many times is this man going to get away with causing violence and nobody does anything about it? This is the Georgia election workers all over again anyone that Trump starts lying about is going to be a target. Can’t wait to see what happens when Trump losses the election he will turn all his dogs lose and the amount of violence in America will rival the Civil War.

Trump’s latest scam is going to cost his followers billions. NASDAQ has stopped the trading on Trump’s latest scam (Truth Social) twice. Trading is stopped when the stock becomes to volatile, dropping like a rock or
or bouncing up and down. Trump’s company has reached an all-time low this week.

What is driving the stock down? rumors that Trump and other insiders are going to dump their stock. Trump owns over half the stock. Trump now says he has no intention of selling his stock. Law prevented Trump from selling his stock until next week. Face it would you buy a used car from Trump? Let alone stock. I have seen a lot of stock swindles and Trump has swindling people down to an art. Trump traded on his popularity with his followers to sell the stock. But one thing you can count on after each one of Trump’s marks lose their money they will still be voting for Trump. When Truth Social collapses it will never be Trump’s fault, it will be the stock exchange’s fault, the reporters who let people know what was happening fault, but it will never be Trump’s fault.

“Trump’s dictatorial tendencies and mendacity, negative attributes for many voters, poised him perfectly to manipulate the evangelical mind. Like the biblical god evangelicals' worship, Trump is thin-skinned authoritarian with totalitarian tendencies. He craves love and punishes any disloyalty or slight. Evangelicals have been taught to worship and adore that type of being above all others. This strain of religion cultivates a veneration for extreme authority. Studies bear this out: religious fundamentalism and a tendency to submit to authoritarianism are highly correlated. Trump acted like the character evangelicals worshiped and benefited from their ingrained adulation. Evangelicals were seeing in Trump a character they had been taught to revere. Asif to prove a point, Ann Coulter called Trump her Emperor God.”

From the book “The Founding Myth”

If you believe in talking snakes than believing in Trump’s lies is no problem. These are people that would have no trouble with a Trump dictatorship. After all their religion is the very model for a dictatorship.