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The Communist Origin of the Modern Conservative Movement VI

 
 
hightor
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jul, 2019 10:21 am
@Baldimo,
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Why should I have to search for his claims?

In order to verify whether they have any substance — I figured you knew how to search for something on the web.

Since you are apparently unable to manage a little research on your own I'll kindly provide just one of the many accounts you could have easily found yourself:
Baldimo is too lazy to do a simple search
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They didn't claim they were going to(...)

Neither did the "Squad" — what's your point?
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Mexico actually responded and started to do something about their southern and northern border.

You might want to wait a bit before claiming this is a great move. There may very well be unintended consequences. Let's see how it works out first.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jul, 2019 01:37 pm
@hightor,
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In order to verify whether they have any substance — I figured you knew how to search for something on the web.

You have got to be kidding me. Zardoz NEVER sources anything he claims, I would spend days "checking substance". Sorry, I won't do his research for him until he starts to provide some himself. I've been posting on his thread for a long time now. Check for his sources yourself... of course you won't because you know he doesn't. You are one of the "thumbs up" people for his constant drivel.

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Since you are apparently unable to manage a little research on your own I'll kindly provide just one of the many accounts you could have easily found yourself:
Baldimo is too lazy to do a simple search

His ex-wife claimed while they were getting divorced... then it turns out he was given a book by one of his Jewish friends. So Zardoz is full of **** for his claim about Hitler being a hero of Trumps. I had to read Mein Kampf in high school for a report, does that make Hitler my hero?

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Neither did the "Squad" — what's your point?

You were the one trying to make one and you failed.

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You might want to wait a bit before claiming this is a great move.

The point is Trump threated with tariffs and Mexico is going to start working on the border issue. If he hadn't threated them, they would continue to do what they have been doing, nothing.

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There may very well be unintended consequences. Let's see how it works out first.

Like what? A decrease in unfounded "asylum" claims? A decrease in illegal border crossings? A decrease in making the US taxpayer the sugar daddy for illegal immigrants?
Zardoz
 
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Reply Thu 18 Jul, 2019 08:57 pm
@Baldimo,
The trouble with you is that you don’t read books. The internet will sometimes give you a page or two about a subject but a book will give 400 pages of researched, verified information. If Trump has any problem with what is written in a book he can and does sue overnight. He sued for millions because he said his wealth was understated in one book. The author and publisher stood their ground and when Trump testified that his buildings were worth whatever he decided they were worth Trump was laughed out of court. He has won liable suits where a London paper reported his wife was a prostitute. The suit was filed as soon as the story came out. If you want to know a tiny bit about a subject the internet is a good place to find it but if you want to know a good deal about a subject you still have to do it the hard way and put the hours in reading books.

The term African American is the most racist term in America today nobody but me refers to Trump as a German American. You don’t hear Trump’s wife referred to as Slovene-American. The family of some blacks have been here hundreds of years but they will always be referred to as African Americans. Some of the current black residents of America may have had several white ancestors but if they are 1/64 black by the law of some states, they are legally African American.

Trump is a racist that has been successfully prosecuted by the United States government for blatant racism. Anybody that thinks Trump is not a racist need only look at his court record.

Obama is not running in 202 election.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jul, 2019 03:32 am
@Baldimo,
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You have got to be kidding me. Zardoz NEVER sources anything he claims, I would spend days "checking substance"

If you haven't noticed, Zardoz treats this thread as a blog; it's basically a long-running political commentary from his perspective. Your gnat-like presence here and your petty "demands" are of little concern to him. You should be flattered that he hasn't simply put you on "ignore".

In addition, no one was asking you to source everything that anyone claims; you and I were specifically discussing whether Trump kept Hitler's writings on his nightstand, and yes, the claim was easily verified.
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You were the one trying to make one and you failed.

Do I actually have to explain it to you? Trump is using the old phrase, "If you don't like it here you can leave." During the Obama years, the Tea Partiers and other Republican conservatives continually attacked the direction the country was moving in, thought the president was illegitimate, cried about same-sex marriage, claimed that "freedom of religion" was under attack — i.e., they didn't like it here. I don't recall any Democrat suggesting that if they didn't love the place they should leave.
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Like what?

Use your imagination. The press of people fleeing life-threatening conditions in Central America will not simply evaporate. In other words, the underlying problem has not been solved, merely shoved onto another country which can neither adequately house and care for these detainees nor absorb them into its economy without provoking social unrest. You and Trump have an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, but if widespread civil unrest occurs in Central America will affect the USA whether we like it or not. Oh, by the way, I do think asylum laws need to be changed but I don't think this administration's response represents a well-thought-out solution; it reeks, like throwing carrion to a pack of populist dogs.
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I've been posting on his thread for a long time now.

Yeah, well if you don't like it, you can always leave.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jul, 2019 03:10 pm
@Zardoz,
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The term African American is the most racist term in America today nobody but me refers to Trump as a German American.

Considering the hyphenated-American was and is used mostly by the left in America, I agree with you. The left's only mission is to divide US citizens by race, color and sexuality. They push the use of these terms and for a couple of decades now have gone after people who refused to use these racist terms. If you are a US citizen, you are an American.

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You don’t hear Trump’s wife referred to as Slovene-American. The family of some blacks have been here hundreds of years but they will always be referred to as African Americans. Some of the current black residents of America may have had several white ancestors but if they are 1/64 black by the law of some states, they are legally African American.

You typically don't hear the right use hyphened American, that's a leftist thing to do, it's all part of their divide and conquer strategy.
My sons are half black and when my oldest came home from school one day claiming that he was African-American, I told him that he was an American. "You weren't born in Africa and neither were your parents or grandparents, don't use that term again, you are an American." I went to school the next day and told his teacher to stop separating kids based on their race and color, don't teach them they are different, they are all Americans.

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Obama is not running in 202 election.

I'm not a Christian, but thank God he isn't running. Obama and the left set this country back 20 years in race relations because of the scam they pulled. Disagree with Obama and you are a racist. The Squad is using that same ploy, they even used it against Nancy Pelosi and she isn't a racist either.



Baldimo
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jul, 2019 03:37 pm
@hightor,
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If you haven't noticed, Zardoz treats this thread as a blog; it's basically a long-running political commentary from his perspective. Your gnat-like presence here and your petty "demands" are of little concern to him. You should be flattered that he hasn't simply put you on "ignore".

Gnat-like presence? Flattered? Who are you kidding?

As for his "blog", it's a long running thread full of BS. If he wanted a private blog, he should have gotten his own webpage or kept it on his PC. You do realize where he got his name don't you? He thinks he's a great big head full of knowledge leading people to the truth. A vast majority of what he claims is easily disproven. It's why he won't source anything he claims, yet it's in books 20+ years old.

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In addition, no one was asking you to source everything that anyone claims; you and I were specifically discussing whether Trump kept Hitler's writings on his nightstand, and yes, the claim was easily verified.

You told me to look up the claims he made...

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Do I actually have to explain it to you? Trump is using the old phrase, "If you don't like it here you can leave."

You mean explain from a leftist perspective how it's racist? It's been used for a long time by different people, most recently with "love it or leave it."

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During the Obama years, the Tea Partiers and other Republican conservatives continually attacked the direction the country was moving in, thought the president was illegitimate, cried about same-sex marriage, claimed that "freedom of religion" was under attack — i.e., they didn't like it here. I don't recall any Democrat suggesting that if they didn't love the place they should leave.

That's because a bunch of leftist have always claimed they were going to leave if someone they didn't like was elected. Don't blame others for holding leftists to their own words.

As for Obama and the "direction" of the country... We didn't like the direction he was trying to take the country, he promised to "fundamentally change the US." That's the sound of someone who doesn't love their country and want's to make it into something it wasn't.

As for gay marriage, I think the majority of people were upset the SCOTUS was making a ruling on something the federal govt had nothing to do with. Marriage was always a state issue, not a federal one. The feds don't issue marriage license's and only deal with marriage when it comes to the IRS and maybe SS retirement. My personal feelings on the subject was I didn't care, let people marry, I was worried about the Feds stepping into something where they didn't have jurisdiction. 10 Amendment?

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Use your imagination.

I'm sorry, I'd rather have facts stated then take a trip through your fantasy world.

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The press of people fleeing life-threatening conditions in Central America will not simply evaporate. In other words, the underlying problem has not been solved, merely shoved onto another country which can neither adequately house and care for these detainees nor absorb them into its economy without provoking social unrest.

Which isn't our problem nor should we be spending millions or billions on their issues or their people flooding into our country illegally on fake asylum claims. We already have people we have problems providing for, bringing in millions of poorly educated and low skilled people won't fix the problem for US citizens. Our center of attention should always be America first.

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You and Trump have an "out of sight, out of mind" mentality, but if widespread civil unrest occurs in Central America will affect the USA whether we like it or not.

Sorry, but it isn't our problem, they have their own leaders to election to make changes to their country. They shouldn't be coming here and demanding anything, we owe them nothing. Their illegal presence already effects our country. How much money do we spend on educating illegal immigrants? How much money in welfare are they getting? Every penny that is spent on illegal immigrants is that much less spent on US citizens.

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Oh, by the way, I do think asylum laws need to be changed but I don't think this administration's response represents a well-thought-out solution; it reeks, like throwing carrion to a pack of populist dogs.

He's doing a better job then the leftist politicians who have spent the last 8 months lying about the "made up crisis" on the southern border. They refused to do anything about it and claimed it was all BS. Now they are waving their arms in the air about the border crisis... These people suffering on the southern border can be directly blamed on the left, for doing nothing because, Orange man bad.

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Yeah, well if you don't like it, you can always leave.

No thanks, I'll keep challenging his BS and calling him out for his lack of sources. You can continue to defend him if you want, but he's still wrong on a majority of the things he talks about.
hightor
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jul, 2019 07:24 pm
@Baldimo,
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You told me to look up the claims he made...

No, I told you to look up one allegation about the reading material on Trump's night stand. You're practically hysterical! Here's the whole exchange, get a grip:
Baldimo wrote:
Hitler was a hero of Trumps? He kept copies of his speeches on his night stand?

hightor wrote:
I've read that as well. Do a search.

I was right; you're apparently unable to do a simple search.

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You mean explain from a leftist perspective how it's racist?

Yeah, I'll explain it for you: if it's used by rich white assholes to refer to non-whites, if they insinuate that these non-whites share the same characteristics; and if they insult their heritage and their countries of origin, it's racist.
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That's the sound of someone who doesn't love their country and want's to make it into something it wasn't.

That may be what it sounds like to you and the rest of the butt-hurt populist tribe. Sounds to me like someone who wants to right the country's wrongs and put it back on track.
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He's doing a better job then the leftist politicians who have spent the last 8 months lying about the "made up crisis" on the southern border.

You mean a better job of lying?
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You can continue to defend him if you want, but he's still wrong on a majority of the things he talks about.

I'm not "defending" anyone; you're wrong on the majority of things you talk about and I'm showing you why your positions are unconvincing.

Zardoz
 
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Reply Fri 19 Jul, 2019 09:20 pm
@Baldimo,
I have never heard any complaints from black people about the term African-American but it is every bit as bad as calling a black man “boy.” The first written use of the term African-American took place 233 years ago when in fact it might have been a valid term since at that time many blacks were recently bought from Africa. Now for blacks who have been in this country for 15 generations the term is demeaning. No one would ever refer to white man as German American we are just Americans by calling blacks African-Americans it denotes a second-class citizen classification. This is what allowed Trump to single black congressmen out and say, “send them back” because some were African-American. It obvious if they are both African and American, they could be sent back to Africa. Trump has done more to divide and conquer than any President in history, it is his battle plan.
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I think you did the right thing and I hope the teachers follows your advice. This should be bought to the attention of School Boards across the country being referred as African American makes you somehow less than a full American. Words are magic and they can do a lot of damage. The term African-American is used to refer to people of many different combinations.
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The Squad is not chanting “send him back” as for Trump one day he claims to trying to stop the chant the next he has done a 180-degree turn praising the chanters. Trump will get somebody killed by some of his degenerate followers sooner or later. Unlike Trump the Squad does not have secret service protection.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jul, 2019 01:45 am
@Zardoz,
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Trump will get somebody killed by some of his degenerate followers sooner or later. 

Hi Zardoz. Mind you, this already happened, in Charlottesville.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sat 20 Jul, 2019 08:33 pm
@Olivier5,
I think the Russians got exactly what they wanted with Trump they wanted to pit Americans against Americans and the documented incidences of hate crimes in America are rising rapidly since Trump was elected. There have already been three arrest for Trump’s stormtroopers threatening a US Congresswoman, Ilhan Omar. Trump now insist that racism is patriotism. This is going to get much worse. Trump is an avowed racist and he brings out the absolute worst in people.
Olivier5
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jul, 2019 12:49 am
@Zardoz,
Yes, he's inflicting massive damage on an already sick body politics. One more term and you can kiss the US democracy good bye.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Sun 21 Jul, 2019 08:32 pm
@Olivier5,
What is not surprising is that Trump is bigot but that he brings out the absolute worst in others. I remember after Trump won election when all the polls showed he was several points behind. My sister-in-law asked how that could happen? The way it happened is that many people were hidden Trump voters. They were ashamed to say in public that they were voting for Trump. They told the pollsters they were voting for somebody else because they were ashamed for anyone to know they were voting for Trump. Many peoples’ public persona is far different from their private persona. Creating enemies unifies groups of people who would much rather blame others for their troubles than take responsibility. This country is being run like a lynch mob it is ever so easy to stir people up against a victim. Trump makes the enemy the illegal immigrants but staffs his businesses with them and the main stream media ignores the fact that Trump brings in hundreds each year to get cheap labor.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 08:49 am
@hightor,
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No, I told you to look up one allegation about the reading material on Trump's night stand. You're practically hysterical! Here's the whole exchange, get a grip:

You told me to look up 1, but he has pages and pages and pages of no sources. Looking up one of his claims leads to looking up all his claims. When I look up those claims and prove them wrong, he either ignores the facts or tries to claim the source isn't worthy.

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I was right; you're apparently unable to do a simple search.

The only thing you were right about was that someone gave him a copy of the book. It's not the same claim Zardoz made.

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Yeah, I'll explain it for you: if it's used by rich white assholes to refer to non-whites, if they insinuate that these non-whites share the same characteristics; and if they insult their heritage and their countries of origin, it's racist.

So it's ok to insult the heritage and characteristics of US citizens, but immigrants are shielded from such criticism? Doesn't sound like you believe in free speech for everyone, just those critical of the US and conservative politicians.

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That may be what it sounds like to you and the rest of the butt-hurt populist tribe. Sounds to me like someone who wants to right the country's wrongs and put it back on track.

That's exactly what it sounds like. First you have to assume the country is on the wrong track to begin with, that's usually socialist who think such things.

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You mean a better job of lying?

The left has been oding a fine job of lying about the southern border. From Oct of 2018 until now, the left has lied about the border crisis. They claimed there wasn't one and did't provide any sort of support to ease the crisis, until it became a political point for them, now they are all of over it. It was a crisis of their making.

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I'm not "defending" anyone; you're wrong on the majority of things you talk about and I'm showing you why your positions are unconvincing.

You are defending Zardoz's BS because he can't defend the BS he says. In comes the B team to save his bacon.

Baldimo
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 08:50 am
@Zardoz,
See more crap he can't back up. He has claimed that ICE personal were arrested for making threats against Ilhan Omar... there are zero report of such "arrests" being made.
Zardoz
 
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Reply Mon 22 Jul, 2019 08:48 pm
@Baldimo,
To start with I never claimed that ICE agents had anything to do with it. I stated that three people had been arrested for making death threats to Ilhan Omar.

“It was your Taliban bitch, the one who opened up her fu***** towel headed mouth about how some people did it, Kless allegedly said in his message to Tlaib. “You know what? She lucky she is just getting death threats, bitch. So are you. All right? Your lucky there just threats, motherf*****, cause the day when the bells toll, whore, and this country comes to war, there will be no more threats. Your life will be on the f****** line.

Threat from typical Trump voter that got him arrested.
hightor
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2019 07:13 am
@Baldimo,
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First you have to assume the country is on the wrong track to begin with, that's usually socialist who think such things.

According to Rasmussen, 53% of the population currently think the country is on the wrong track. Are those people all "socialists"? I doubt it.

During the Obama presidency this number climbed as high as 80%. Were all those people "socialists"? I doubt it.

And, if you're right and they are socialists, then as a clear majority they deserve to lead the country. You might want to reconsider your assertion.

rasmussen

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Zardoz
 
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Reply Tue 23 Jul, 2019 08:41 pm
When it comes to budget deficits the Republicans say they are like Thelma and Louise and they are going to drive the country over a cliff. That didn’t work out for Thelma and Louise and I don’t think it will work out for America either. These huge spiraling deficits are being driven by four rounds of huge tax cuts from the ungodly greedy. Can Trump completely destroy America in just one term in office? It is apparent he can and the Republicans will play the violin while America burns.
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Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2019 08:30 am
@Zardoz,
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To start with I never claimed that ICE agents had anything to do with it. I stated that three people had been arrested for making death threats to Ilhan Omar.

Which hasn't taken place, I've asked you to prove your claims, but your won't. No one has been arrested for death threats against her. Any more lies you care to tell?

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Threat from typical Trump voter that got him arrested.

Typical threat? You are lying again. This is an extremist like you, you have said the same exact thing about killing rich people. You have no moral ground to stand on.
hightor
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2019 09:04 am
@Baldimo,
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No one has been arrested for death threats against her.

You're the one who needs to prove his claims; it took about 20 seconds for me to find evidence which shows you to be a liar:

Man arrested after allegedly making racist death threats against Omar, Tlaib and Booker

N.Y. man charged for making death threats against Rep. Ilhan Omar


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Typical threat?

No, "typical Trump voter", can't you read? If you're going to dishonestly mischaracterize someone's words at least have enough presence of mind not to misquote them when the actual statement is there for everyone to see.
Baldimo
 
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Reply Wed 24 Jul, 2019 09:18 am
@hightor,
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You're the one who needs to prove his claims; it took about 20 seconds for me to find evidence which shows you to be a liar:

I didn't make a claim on the subject, other than I wanted him to make his claim. Why did it take you to provide the proof, are you now his backup?

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No, "typical Trump voter", can't you read? If you're going to dishonestly mischaracterize someone's words at least have enough presence of mind not to misquote them when the actual statement is there for everyone to see.

Pardon me while I laugh in your face, this whole entire site is based on mischaracterizing what others have said. Don't pull the moral high ground just because you need to defend someone who doesn't back their claims and won't actually quote what others say. He's done the same exact thing to me so I feel no need to be exacting for his quotes.

Typical Trump voter or typical threat, what's the difference? It's a gross mischaracterization of Trump voters.
 

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