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Yet another good reason to turn the screws on the Gypsys

 
 
Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 02:38 am
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Of the 10 to 12 million Roma living in the European Union, just 42 percent finish their education. That compares with an average of 97 percent for all children. .
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14967291,00.html

We all know that the Euro namby-pamby coddling of the Gypsy's has over the last 10 years come under a great deal of strain, to the point where last year we saw the French among others rounding them up and throwing them out of the country.....this will certainly add to the motivation to crack down on these freeloaders. Giving the Gypsy's more candy for doing nothing is not going to improve anything, which I think most Europeans are well aware of, despite their leaders refusing to say so....or allowing others to say so.

I was until recently a great believer in Europe, but we have seen a great leadership fail. The problems on the economic side are matched by problems on the social side, in this case leadership being out of step with the people on demanding accountability by those who take social handouts. The Gypsy's will not burn down Europe, as all they ever want is the easy life with as little work as possible, but the Muslims will.....
 
hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 03:09 am
@hawkeye10,
The Roma of course, in predictable victim fashion, blame discrimination and hard luck for their kids not attending their free schools
Quote:
The Roma population is still denied human rights in many European countries, and remains far behind the majority population in education, employment, housing and health standards with virtually no political representation. Many Roma children remain outside national education systems and the dropout rate is huge. There are many reasons for this – however, Roma children's own voices of their situation are seldom heard and documented.

Primary education is formally free, but it costs to buy clothes, books or to contribute to the running of the school. These obstacles, caused by poverty and discrimination, result in parents not sending their children to school, even though most Roma parents consider education important for their children.

Other major problems are that some countries place Roma children in special schools or classes for pupils with intellectual disabilities or that the school lacks material in the children's own language or trained teachers from Roma communities. The presence of Roma class assistants in some schools has produced positive results, which gives hope for the future.

Roma boys tend to be better educated then their female peers. Early marriages or scarce resources make girls drop out. However, experiences show that boys marry early too and therefore leave school.

Save the Children Sweden Europe Programme works together with Anti-Discrimination Centre Memorial, Save the Children in Albania and Save the Children in Kosova/o to improve the situation for Roma children.
http://europe.savethechildren.se/Europe/Focus/Education/

THe Roma's of course choose to work almost exclusively on the black market labor scene, so pleadings of poverty are not worth spit. We have no way to know what their income is, because they keep it hidden because they refuse to pay tax on it. That will however never stop them from demanding more hand outs...
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joefromchicago
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 08:07 am
Uppity.
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 08:31 am
@hawkeye10,
Thay will not burn it;
thay will gyp it.

Thay have their own vocational system for their progeny.
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aidan
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 08:42 am
Well, I can't speak in general because I've had only one or two encounters with 'travellers' and those encounters revealed opposite ends of the spectrum of the travelling life.

My friend Katrina was raised as a traveller. And she's one of the most skilled, competent and hard-working women I've ever met. She is a certified wheel-rite which means she can make wheels for wagons - forged out of iron or whatever. She is also an amazing commericial cook and a potter and a painter - whatever she turns her hand to - she does competently.
The feeling I get from her though is that she doesn't hold herself in very high esteem and I have no idea why except that maybe she was raised from birth to view her purpose as just to be there to serve 'the men'.
She lives with her mother and daughter now and her brother does come around on occasion to help with the chores around the house - they have a rooming house - but she pays him- that struck me as weird. You'd think he'd just do the stuff because it was his mother and sister who needed the help.

The other traveller I know well is a man - in prison. I taught his older brother four years ago. Since then his brother had been released, but all the males in this family were caught in a huge burglary ring - father, uncle, brothers, cousins- and they all got hard time - eight years and/or more.

This younger, new brother came strutting into the classroom the first day announcing, 'I'm the great Blah-Blah' like he was the king of the world and me being me mumbled, 'Who the hell cares?' and said out loud, 'And I'm Aidan Blah-Blah' - so what?

You can see, feel, taste the arrogance he exudes and it's almost like he's some sort of godfather or something the way the other inmates defer to him. His nickname is 'Topper' and everything is 'Yes, Topper this' , 'Of course Topper, sure'...I've never heard anyone say no to him. I almost expect them to start bowing and scraping.
Once a guy didn't want to play chess with him and Topper said, 'Are you seriously telling me you won't play chess with me? ' like 'You better think twice about the repercussions of denying me what I want right now.'

The other day this young kid said that 'Topper' would get his two sisters to cook for him if he came to 'work' for the family. In other words, the men would be out doing their 'business' all day and then come home to the home-cooked meal these two sisters were coerced to cook for whichever men had joined the family 'business'.

I said, 'That's HORRIBLE!' and he said, 'Miss - I really do mean they'll only cook for the men,' thinking I thought 'cook' meant 'sex' or something.
And I said, 'Yeah - I know you're only talking about cooking....but if my brother told me I had to cook for someone I'd be like, 'Who the hell are you?'

But my brother's not a traveller and we don't call him 'Topper'- and I thank God I'm not a travelling woman.
I think they get the really, really, really short end of the stick in life.

And yeah - education is pretty much forgotten about. A lot of travellers grow to adulthood never having gone to school and completely illiterate. We have to start with the alphabet, and continue from there.
electronicmail
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 09:22 am
@aidan,
aidan wrote:

Well, I can't speak in general because I've had only one or two encounters with 'travellers'

Hey thanks I added travellers to my collection of PC words.

OTOH "traveling gypsies" sounds like "wandering jews" Confused
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 09:48 am
In the British Isles and in the United States and Canada, the people who are called gypsies elsewhere call themselves travelers. It has nothing to do with "PC."
ehBeth
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 09:54 am
@hawkeye10,
Coddling?
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Irishk
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 09:59 am
@Setanta,
Up with the sun, gone with the wind...

Thanks. I'll be singing that all day. Great song.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:12 am


Interstingly, the travelers in the United States are almost all descended from Irish travelers. Driveway paving scams seem to be their con job of choice.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:20 am
When i was a child and my Irish grandmother was humorously pretending to be angry, she'd say: "You'd better watch out, or i'll sell ya to the travelin' gypsies."

Somebody should have done that the OP when he was a tadpole.
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:35 am
@Setanta,
The Travelling People

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o0-WtdJpkcs
Fido
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:39 am
@hawkeye10,
hawkeye10 wrote:

Quote:
Of the 10 to 12 million Roma living in the European Union, just 42 percent finish their education. That compares with an average of 97 percent for all children. .
http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,14967291,00.html

We all know that the Euro namby-pamby coddling of the Gypsy's has over the last 10 years come under a great deal of strain, to the point where last year we saw the French among others rounding them up and throwing them out of the country.....this will certainly add to the motivation to crack down on these freeloaders. Giving the Gypsy's more candy for doing nothing is not going to improve anything, which I think most Europeans are well aware of, despite their leaders refusing to say so....or allowing others to say so.

I was until recently a great believer in Europe, but we have seen a great leadership fail. The problems on the economic side are matched by problems on the social side, in this case leadership being out of step with the people on demanding accountability by those who take social handouts. The Gypsy's will not burn down Europe, as all they ever want is the easy life with as little work as possible, but the Muslims will.....
This way to the gas, Ladies and Gentlemen.
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Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 10:52 am
@georgeob1,
So that's happened to you O'George . . . yer Ma sold ya to the travelin' gypsies, but they couldn't deal with ya, so they gave ya to the Jesuits . . . it's all clear now . . .
georgeob1
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:01 am
@Setanta,
Well the dual influences were something like that (my ma was from Ardmore, just west of Dungarvin). As you know the Jesuits won.
Setanta
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:18 am
@georgeob1,
Ah well, ya can't have everything . . .
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OmSigDAVID
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:19 am
@aidan,
Female Gypsys have been well known to be adept at the family business.
Instead of offering to pave your driveway, thay offer to read your palm,
or maybe a crystal ball.

Thay have well-developed co-ordinated scams, using children
as players, e.g. for snatching mdse from jewelers during a distraction.





David
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Joe Nation
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 11:43 am
I think what I admire most about the Travelers is that they rarely use violence (Okay, there can be some yelling) in order to con people out of their money.
Pave your driveways at half price ---sure.
Paint your house, barn and fence--half price----sure.
Then you're pissed because you got scammed.
Hey. buy cheap, buy twice.

Joe(We are all victims of our own greed.)Nation

PS Yes. I am aware of some Travelers scamming old people using the String Measure and that is shameful.
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1003381,00.html
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hawkeye10
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 12:55 pm
My knowledge of the problem comes from the 1990's in Munich, where over three years I got to know a group of Germans intimately. The subject of refugees to include the gypsies came up frequently. It was driven home to me that it was largely impossible to talk openly about the subject due to PC laws. The story I got was that there was a broad hostility to the cost of carrying these laregly unproductive individuals who had no interest in being productive, as well as an anger towards leaders who refused to hear the people on the matter. It was the Turks who generated the most animus.

There is currently a EU project to try to entice the Roma out of the labor black market and into allowing their kids to get educated using more candy, mostly in the form of better housing subsidies and pushing social program handouts at them. This was prompted by the World Bank, which is a good reason to think this is a dumb idea from the get-go.
Ceili
 
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Reply Wed 6 Apr, 2011 01:29 pm
@hawkeye10,
Just curious... Is there anyone you don't hate?
 

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