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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:09 pm
Remember, rockett doggy doesn't believe in "truth."
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:35 pm
BillW wrote:
Now your whining again, get a grip and get over it -
Laughing

And, you're not whinning Question Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:38 pm
sumac wrote:

Now I am not a news hound all of the time, but I am not aware of Clinton blaming Bush for much of anything, let alone repeatedly blaming. As far as I can tell, Clinton has been pretty much silent in his low-profile posture since Bush took office. Where and when is this happening? I do not require a link, just a general idea. Is your statement, in fact, true?


In several of his speeches at Democratic fund raisers (replayed on various radio talk shows: e.g., Limbaugh), he does exactly that.
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:40 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Remember, rockett doggy doesn't believe in "truth."


That's not a nice thing to say about Titus. Very Happy
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:40 pm
Now you know the rest of the story, satisfied hobitbob Laughing
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:44 pm
hobitbob wrote:
Remember, rockett doggy doesn't believe in "truth."


Zoom Bow Wow Zoom Exclamation

I believe in the existence of truth

However, I don't believe anyone can know the truth for certain. Some such human knowledge is more probable than others, but none of it is certain (including the statements I just made). Smile
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Brand X
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 05:49 pm
To Clinton's credit he did say he knew bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attack, and that he did not discount invading Iraq as being a legitimate part of the war on terror.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:01 pm
Brand X wrote:
To Clinton's credit he did say he knew bin Laden was behind the 9/11 attack, and that he did not discount invading Iraq as being a legitimate part of the war on terror.


I agree Exclamation

I think I heard him saying that too.

But then what do I know for certain Question Smile
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:03 pm
Good point Exclamation Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:23 pm
So invasion of Iraq is just part of American imperialism?
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:30 pm
and, that is good - another of the traits our aristocracy has learned from the mother country
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:32 pm
Rule Bushannia! Wink
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:34 pm
Laughing
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:51 pm
Bushites never never never will be slaves! (Que music, flags, tears etc)
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BillW
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 07:01 pm
Steve, you need to take a trip over here, Ever read "Time Machine" - them's Bushites.........
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 07:40 pm
Steve (as 41oo) wrote:
So invasion of Iraq is just part of American imperialism?


While that's possible Steve, its improbable.

www.m-w.com:
Quote:
Main Entry: im·pe·ri·al·ism
Pronunciation: im-'pir-E-&-"li-z&m
Function: noun
1 : imperial government, authority, or system
2 : the policy, practice, or advocacy of extending the power and dominion of a nation especially by direct territorial acquisitions or by gaining indirect control over the political or economic life of other areas; broadly : the extension or imposition of power, authority, or influence <union imperialism>
- im·pe·ri·al·ist /-list/ noun or adjective
- im·pe·ri·al·is·tic /-"pir-E-&-'lis-tik/ adjective
- im·pe·ri·al·is·ti·cal·ly /-ti-k(&-)lE/ adverb


More probably it is merely part of American self-defense.

Quote:
Main Entry: self-de·fense
Pronunciation: "self-di-'fen(t)s
Function: noun
1 : a plea of justification for the use of force or for homicide
2 : the act of defending oneself, one's property, or a close relative


But I'm not certain.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 09:30 pm
Whatever it is, it is purely, or solely, as defined (you know, the vision thing) by Bush.
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McTag
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 01:51 am
I wish we could get over the Clinton/ Bush thing.

Some of these comments seem to amount to "Well Bush is not as bad as Clinton, Clinton was REALLY bad"

For the purposes of this thread I think that irrelevant. From my point of view American domestic politics could better be left to another thread.

But, I may break this rule myself later. (I've never let irrelevance stop me posting) Smile
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Brand X
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 07:35 am
First Lybia and now Syria want to begin to play nice due to our actions in Iraq and Afghanistan, nice domino effect that will hopefully continue.

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Syria seeks our help to woo US
By John Kerin
March 27, 2004
SYRIA has appealed to Australia to use its close ties with Washington to help the Arab nation shake off its reputation as a terrorist haven and repair its relations with the US.

Secret talks between the two nations have been under way for months but have become more urgent as rogue nations reconsider their role in allowing terrorists to thrive, in light of the US determination to take pre-emptive military action.

A Syrian embassy will be opened in Canberra in weeks and Australia is considering reopening its mission in Damascus.

Australia's close relationship with Washington, and its much higher profile in the Middle East, have prompted Syrian Foreign Minister Farouq al-Shara'a and parliamentary speaker Mahmoud Al-Ibrache to appeal to Canberra to help bring their country back in from a US-imposed diplomatic freeze.

Syria has sent a delegation to Australia and has hosted a series of visits by Australian parliamentarians.

Drawing on the British-sponsored return of Libya to the international fold, Australia is demanding that Syria take a tougher role against terrorists, particularly those using the nation as a base for operations into Iraq.

Australia also has called on the former Soviet client state to abandon any pursuit of weapons of mass destruction before it returns to the fold.

Syria has supported the war on terror but the Bush administration has been sceptical about its commitment, fearing Iraqi weapons of mass destruction were smuggled across the border before the US-led invasion last year.

In November, senior Syrian officials asked a bipartisan Australian delegation led by National Party senator Sandy Macdonald to use Australia's influence with the US to achieve a diplomatic rapprochement.

Senator Macdonald said yesterday: "Syria is a country that has been a bastard state for nearly 40 years. But the leaders we spoke to in Syria appear keen to make linkages with the West and it sees Australia as having influence in Washington."

The overtures to Syria are seen as a response to the West's determination to confront rogue nations that may either pose a threat themselves or pass on weapons to terrorists.

Foreign Minister Alexander Downer last night welcomed Syria's commitment to broadening dialogue with the international community.

"We would like to see Syria follow Libya's example in making a genuine return to the international community," he said through a spokesman.

"But Syria must abandon any effort to attain weapons of mass destruction, act to control the flow of terrorists across its border with Iraq and step up support for the war on terror."

He said Australia was considering reopening an embassy in the Syrian capital, Damascus. The embassy was closed in 1999 because of cost-cutting.

Syria's Melbourne-based honorary consul, Antonios Zyrabi, confirmed to The Weekend Australian last night that Syria wanted Australia to help it come in from the diplomatic cold.
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sumac
 
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Reply Sat 3 Apr, 2004 07:41 am
And just what makes Syria think that Australia (knee deep in the fight against terrorism and a staunch ally of both the US and Britain) would be likely to deviate, in fact or in principle, from the US stand, in the absence of any concrete actions from Syria? Wanting to come in from the cold just doesn't cut it.
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