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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 06:33 am
http://birdhouse.org/blog/images/rumsfeld_churchsign.jpg
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 06:44 am
ILZ wrote:
Pray tell, which parts specifically?
I doubt you really expect me to go through that line by line. Suffice to say that the majority of it is attributable to Osama Bin Laden, an artificially inflated stock market, a predecessor's decisions (or lack thereof) or some other equally blamable entity. I've read, and respect, a lot of what you write... and I'm confident I'll never see you authoring something like that. Is that not so?
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:17 am
"the majority of it is attributable to Osama Bin Laden"

obl political satirist, thats a new one
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 07:42 am
Steve, are deliberately being obtuse? Rolling Eyes
Or do you really think that chop accurately reflects my meaning and that I think Osama wrote the list? Rolling Eyes
Will you now chop/quote this post as "Osama wrote the joke"? Rolling Eyes
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 08:05 am
No Bill, I was being deliberately devious :wink:

Just I wish the obl team would stick to literature and making jokes, instead of making bombs.

Actually I think I might have hit on something here. I can't think of ANY radical Islamist comedians, can you?

They seem to take everything so terribly seriously. If only the bin man would lighten up a little bit, perhaps go on a chat show or enter a Radical Beard competition or something...
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 08:10 am
Fair enough, I'll dry my eyes.
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 08:21 am
Quote:
Actually I think I might have hit on something here. I can't think of ANY radical Islamist comedians, can you?

They seem to take everything so terribly seriously. If only the bin man would lighten up a little bit, perhaps go on a chat show or enter a Radical Beard competition or something...


There was a candid camera-style TV show in Lebanon some years back. One gag they came up with involved a swarthy looking fellow entering a department store with a brown paper bag, then setting it down on the floor and running madly out the door.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 09:20 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
Suffice to say that the majority of it is attributable to Osama Bin Laden, an artificially inflated stock market, a predecessor's decisions (or lack thereof) or some other equally blamable entity.


You read it here first, folks.
OBL and Bill Clinton are responsible for George Bush being an incompetent, hypocritical, murdering, draftdodging, drug-using, alcoholic, smirking, wasteful, polluting, criminal, shameful excuse for a president.
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jackie
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 04:27 pm
McTag--- amen..... hooray for you!!

a spade is a spade, is a spade, is a spade......is a spade.....
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 04:53 pm
No matter how you slice it or dice - Bush sucks bad.....
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blatham
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 05:08 pm
Hey everyone, relax and listen on line to something very good indeed...
http://www.airamericaradio.com/
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BillW
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 05:31 pm
BTW, did you hear the White House vetted Clark's book or it would have been out in December; ie, the WH insured it came out just before the Commission appearance. What a bunch of slimy a.h.'s! OH, didn't Kerry say that Question
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 05:36 pm
[size=8]where oh where has my little dog gone?[/size]
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Steve 41oo
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 04:54 am
From

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/americas/story.jsp?story=507514

02 April 2004


A former translator for the FBI with top-secret security clearance says she has provided information to the panel investigating the 11 September attacks which proves senior officials knew of al-Qa'ida's plans to attack the US with aircraft months before the strikes happened.

She said said it was clear there was sufficient information during the spring and summer of 2001 to indicate terrorists were planning an attack.

She said the claim by the National Security Adviser, Condoleezza Rice, that there was no such information was "an outrageous lie".

....senior US senators testified to her credibility in 2002 when she went public with separate allegations relating to alleged incompetence and corruption within the FBI's translation department.

The Bush administration, meanwhile, has sought to silence her and has obtained a gagging order from a court by citing the rarely used "state secrets privilege".
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McTag
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 06:33 am
Yes, I saw that, Steve, and was going to post it if you didn't. It is a major claim, and the article is well worth reading in full.

It brings me back to an earlier point, which got an incredulous response because it seemed too fanciful at the time: did the administration deliberately allow these strikes to happen so that they could manipulate public opinion to support the attack on Iraq?

It seems less fanciful now.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 07:20 am
What strikes? I went to the source and read the entire article, and posted one myself about this woman. I don't recall mention of 'strikes'.
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theollady
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 07:36 am
A former translator for the FBI with top-secret security clearance says she has provided information to the panel investigating the 11 September attacks which proves senior officials knew of al-Qa'ida's plans to attack the US with aircraft months before the strikes happened.

Last sentence of the first paragraph, Susan. Meaning the strikes on the twin towers and the Pentagon.
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sumac
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 08:03 am
Oh, got it. Thanks.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 09:42 am
McTag wrote:
Yes, I saw that, Steve, and was going to post it if you didn't. It is a major claim, and the article is well worth reading in full.

It brings me back to an earlier point, which got an incredulous response because it seemed too fanciful at the time: did the administration deliberately allow these strikes to happen so that they could manipulate public opinion to support the attack on Iraq?

It seems less fanciful now.

If you're smoking crack. Rolling Eyes :wink:
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blatham
 
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Reply Fri 2 Apr, 2004 09:48 am
McTag

On this thesis, I'm on scrat's side. As Clarke says in his book, the chances of an administration keeping any significant plot secret is about zero.

Further, incompetence is always a much more elegant explanation for events such as this one.

None of which is to say this administration isn't deeply unethical, undemocratic, and dangerous.
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