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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:02 pm
McTag wrote:
It's also a fact that the Harris woman, working for Jeb Bush, had the Florida voters roll stripped of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote D, illegally.


Do you mean: ... Harris ... had the Florida voters roll stripped illegally of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote for Gore?

If so, your evidence that supports this claim is Question Question Question
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McTag
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:20 pm
ican711nm wrote:
McTag wrote:
It's also a fact that the Harris woman, working for Jeb Bush, had the Florida voters roll stripped of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote D, illegally.


Do you mean: ... Harris ... had the Florida voters roll stripped illegally of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote for Gore?

If so, your evidence that supports this claim is Question Question Question


I mean Jeb Bush and the Republican machine had this done.

I'm not going to play the same game as you've been playing here, ican, I only suggest you look up the word disingenuous in the dictionary. These matters are well documented and authenticated, as you are doubtless aware, by Greg Palast among many others. You can check his website.
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:21 pm
Facts rarely hinder looking clearly at much of anything, once a decision one way or another has been made. Very selective then. A study was once done regarding buying a new automobile. Once that decision has been made, even before one takes possession of the car, selective perception of the pros and cons of that car, and other cars, is already solidifying.
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:42 pm
McTag wrote:
I'm not going to play the same game as you've been playing here, ican, I only suggest you look up the word disingenuous in the dictionary. These matters are well documented and authenticated, as you are doubtless aware, by Greg Palast among many others. You can check his website.


By well documented you apparently mean that some fellow by the name of "Greg Palast among others" expressed an opinion you want to believe. His opinion is not authenticated. Right or wrong, all Harris attempted to do was limit the number of vote recounts. Jeb, stood back hands off and "recused himself". You should review the meaning of the word disingenuous . I'll help you here.

www.m-w.com:
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Main Entry: dis·in·gen·u·ous
Pronunciation: "di-s&n-'jen-y&-w&s
Function: adjective
: lacking in candor; also : giving a false appearance of simple frankness : CALCULATING
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ly adverb
- dis·in·gen·u·ous·ness noun


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Main Entry: 3lie
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): lied; ly·ing /'lI-i[ng]/
Etymology: Middle English, from Old English lEogan; akin to Old High German liogan to lie, Old Church Slavonic lugati
intransitive senses
1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression
transitive senses : to bring about by telling lies <lied his way out of trouble>
synonyms LIE, PREVARICATE, EQUIVOCATE, PALTER, FIB mean to tell an untruth. LIE is the blunt term, imputing dishonesty <lied about where he had been>. PREVARICATE softens the bluntness of LIE by implying quibbling or confusing the issue <during the hearings the witness did his best to prevaricate>. EQUIVOCATE implies using words having more than one sense so as to seem to say one thing but intend another <equivocated endlessly in an attempt to mislead her inquisitors>. PALTER implies making unreliable statements of fact or intention or insincere promises <a swindler paltering with his investors>. FIB applies to a telling of a trivial untruth <fibbed about the price of the new suit>.


Quote:
Main Entry: be·lieve
Pronunciation: b&-'lEv
Function: verb
Inflected Form(s): be·lieved; be·liev·ing
Etymology: Middle English beleven, from Old English belEfan, from be- + lyfan, lEfan to allow, believe; akin to Old High German gilouben to believe, Old English lEof dear -- more at LOVE
intransitive senses
1 a : to have a firm religious faith b : to accept as true, genuine, or real <ideals we believe in> <believes in ghosts>
2 : to have a firm conviction as to the goodness, efficacy, or ability of something <believe in exercise>
3 : to hold an opinion : THINK <I believe so>
transitive senses
1 a : to consider to be true or honest <believe the reports> <you wouldn't believe how long it took> b : to accept the word or evidence of <I believe you> <couldn't believe my ears>
2 : to hold as an opinion : SUPPOSE <I believe it will rain soon>
- be·liev·er noun
- not believe : to be astounded at <I couldn't believe my luck>
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sumac
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:53 pm
LOL
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 02:57 pm
sumac,

As you can see I've been busy testing the validity of your signature statement:
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"When people are fanatically dedicated to political or religious faiths or any other kinds of dogmas or goals, it's always because these dogmas or goals are in doubt." - Robert M. Pirsig (1928- ), ...

I'm almost convinced your signature statement is valid. Almost? Well, I'm governed by my own signature statement!
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 03:15 pm
If of one thing we can be sure it is that bureaucracy, whatever its form, secular or religious, is meritorious of both scrutiny and doubt.
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 03:21 pm
BillW wrote:
And, during the recount the Bush clan imported many, many thugs (some who were even Judges) from out of county and out of state to bang on windows, intimidate counters, and preform other criminal tactics to stymie the vote - FACT (only one of thousands)

Citation? :wink:
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Scrat
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 03:23 pm
BillW wrote:
Scrat wrote:
BillW wrote:
Especially, if they are selective..................

Partisan agenda are selective by nature. :wink:


Since we are playing children games again -


DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I guess one man's attempt at humor is another man's childish game. Shocked
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 03:58 pm
Scrat wrote:
Whole buncha nested quotes


DUH!!!!!!!!!! indeed.


What we got goin' on here, seems to me, is your classic Simpsons moment, pretty much all around Twisted Evil
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theollady
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 04:11 pm
OK----
Ollady Simpson checking in:

"I am as partisan as I can be, I want MY PART, and I want it now, and I want it the way I want it!!

Anymore Simpson's here???
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 04:37 pm
ican711nm wrote:
McTag wrote:
It's also a fact that the Harris woman, working for Jeb Bush, had the Florida voters roll stripped of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote D, illegally.


Do you mean: ... Harris ... had the Florida voters roll stripped illegally of tens of thousands of black voters, most of whom would vote for Gore?

If so, your evidence that supports this claim is Question Question Question



Start here, let me know when you are finished ..... I have tons more.
Smile
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/main.htm
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BillW
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 05:37 pm
I tired of playing with the simpletons for a while, Repubs - go back to your playpens..........
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ican711nm
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:03 pm
Gelisgesti WROTE:
Quote:
Start here, let me know when you are finished ..... I have tons more. Smile
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/main.htm


Excerpt from http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/main.htm :
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The report does not find that the highest officials of the state conspired to disenfranchise voters. Moreover, even if it was foreseeable that certain actions by officials led to voter disenfranchisement, this alone does not mean that intentional discrimination occurred. Instead, the report concludes that officials ignored the mounting evidence of rising voter registration rates in communities. The state’s highest officials responsible for ensuring efficiency, uniformity, and fairness in the election failed to fulfill their responsibilities and were subsequently unwilling to take responsibility.
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:08 pm
Yup. Pesky things, them facts.
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Gelisgesti
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 08:58 pm
ican711nm wrote:
Gelisgesti WROTE:
Quote:
Start here, let me know when you are finished ..... I have tons more. Smile
http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/main.htm


Excerpt from http://www.usccr.gov/pubs/vote2000/main.htm :
Quote:
The report does not find that the highest officials of the state conspired to disenfranchise voters. Moreover, even if it was foreseeable that certain actions by officials led to voter disenfranchisement, this alone does not mean that intentional discrimination occurred. Instead, the report concludes that officials ignored the mounting evidence of rising voter registration rates in communities. The state's highest officials responsible for ensuring efficiency, uniformity, and fairness in the election failed to fulfill their responsibilities and were subsequently unwilling to take responsibility.
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Yep, facts can be just that ......
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timberlandko
 
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Reply Wed 31 Mar, 2004 09:11 pm
The key and core fact is that further legal proceedings were neither initiated nor called for. Another pesky fact is all this really is at best tangential to the focus of this thread ... neither Iraqi citizens nor citizens of UN member states other than the United States had any first-person voter interest in the Florida elections. Given the twists and turns this series of threads has taken over the past year and some-odd-months, and literally tens-of-thousands of posts through its various successive incarnations, that's probably at best tangential as well.
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McTag
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 03:38 am
Hey, saw this today, and just wanted to share:


Subject: GEORGE BUSH

Election time again.....
just so you know:

I attacked and took over 2 countries.

I spent the U.S. surplus and bankrupted the US Treasury.

I shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history (not easy!).

I set an economic record for the most personal bankruptcies filed in any 12
month period.

I set all-time record for the biggest drop in the history of the stock
market.

I am the first president in decades to execute a federal prisoner.

In my first year in office I set the all-time record for most days on
vacation by any president in US history (tough to beat my dad's, but I did).

After taking the entire month of August off for vacation, I presided over
the worst security failure in US history.

I set the record for most campaign fund raising trips by any president in
US history.

In my first two years in office over 2 million Americans lost their jobs.

I cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other
president in US history.

I set the all-time record for most real estate foreclosures in a 12-month
period.

I appointed more convicted criminals to administration positions than any
president in US history.

I set the record for the fewest press conferences of any president, since
the advent of TV.

I signed more laws and executive orders amending the Constitution than any
other US president in history.

I presided over the biggest energy crises in US history and refused to
intervene when corruption was revealed.

I cut health care benefits for war veterans.

I set the all-time record for most people worldwide to simultaneously take
to the streets to protest me (15 million people), shattering the record for
protest against any person in the history of mankind.

I dissolved more international treaties than any president in US history.

I 've made my presidency the most secretive and unaccountable of any in US
history.

Members of my cabinet are the richest of any administration in US history.
(The poorest multimillionaire, Condoleeza Rice, has a Chevron oil tanker
named after her.)

I am the first president in US history to have all 50 states of the Union
simultaneously struggle against bankruptcy.

I presided over the biggest corporate stock market fraud in any market in
any country in the history of the world.

I have created the largest government department bureaucracy in the history
of the United States, called the "Bureau of Homeland Security"(only one
letter away from BS).

I set the all-time record for biggest annual budget spending increases,
more than any other president in US history (Ronnie was tough to beat, but I
did it!!).

I am the first president in US history to compel the United Nations remove
the US from the Human Rights Commission.

I am the first president in US history to have the United Nations remove
the US from the Elections Monitoring Board.

I removed more checks and balances, and have the least amount of
congressional oversight than any presidential administration in US history.

I rendered the entire United Nations irrelevant. I withdrew from the World
Court of Law.


I am the first president in US history to refuse United Nations election
inspectors access during the 2002 US elections.

I am the all-time US (and world) record holder for most corporate campaign
donations.

The biggest lifetime contributor to my campaign, who is also one of my best
friends, presided over one of the largest corporate bankruptcy frauds in
world history (Kenneth Lay, former CEO of Enron Corporation).

I spent more money on polls and focus groups than any president in US
history.

I am the first president to run and hide when the US came under attack (and
then lied, saying the enemy had the code to Air Force 1)

I am the first US president to establish a secret shadow government.

I took the world's sympathy for the US after 9/11, and in less than a year
made the US the most resented country in the world (possibly the biggest
diplomatic failure in US and world history).

I am the first US president in history to have a majority of the people of
Europe (71%) view my presidency as the biggest threat to world peace and
stability.

I changed US policy to allow convicted criminals to be awarded government
contracts.

I set the all-time record for the number of administration appointees who
violated US law by not selling their huge investments in corporations
bidding for gov't contracts.

I have removed more freedoms and civil liberties for Americans than any
other president in US history.

I entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than
two years turned every single economic category heading straight down.

RECORDS AND REFERENCES: I have at least one conviction for drunk driving in
Maine (Texas driving record has been erased and is not available).

I was AWOL from the National Guard and deserted the military during time of
war.

I refuse to take a drug test or even answer any questions about drug use.
(wink,wink)

All records of my tenure as governor of Texas have been spirited away to my
fathers library, sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All records of any SEC investigations into my insider trading or bankrupt
companies are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

All minutes of meetings of any public corporation for which I served on the
board are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public view.

Any records or minutes from meetings I (or my VP) attended regarding public
energy policy are sealed in secrecy and unavailable for public review.


With Love,
GEORGE W. BUSH
The White House, Washington, DC
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OCCOM BILL
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 04:21 am
That may be the longest list of Bull I've ever bothered to read. Rolling Eyes Pity my printer wont accept toilet paper.
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IronLionZion
 
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Reply Thu 1 Apr, 2004 05:33 am
OCCOM BILL wrote:
That may be the longest list of Bull I've ever bothered to read. Rolling Eyes Pity my printer wont accept toilet paper.


Heh.

Pray tell, which parts specifically?
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