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THE US, THE UN AND IRAQ VI

 
 
sumac
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 08:39 am
No. Only one of his staffers.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 12:36 pm
Bush doesn't read!!!!!!!!! They (who ever they are Question ) have to turn it into a picture book first.....
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sumac
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 12:50 pm
I must admit that his speaking ability has shown improvement. Either that or he has gotten really good at memorization of various 'script' passages.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:04 pm
Baptist Minister killed by godless moon worshipper!
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R.I. pastor is killed in ambush in Iraq

By Jared Stearns, Globe Correspondent, 2/17/2004

Knowing that he would be in Iraq on Valentine's Day, the Rev. John Kelley of Wakefield, R.I., had a bouquet of flowers delivered to his wife, Jane, on Saturday. Hours later, Jane Kelley was told that her husband had been killed in an ambush attack when gunmen opened fire on his vehicle outside Baghdad.


Three other missionaries from the Northeast were injured in the attack, including one from Franklin, Mass., according to relatives and friends.

Sam Stricklin, a pastor at the First Baptist Church in Warwick, R.I., said he had known Kelley since the pastor arrived about 18 years ago at the Curtis Corner Baptist Church in rural Wakefield.

"This hits close to home with me," Stricklin said by phone last night. Stricklin was in Baghdad a month ago doing missionary work similar to that of the pastors who were attacked Saturday.

The Rev. Kirk DiVietro, of the Grace Baptist Church in Franklin, and the Rev. David Davis, of the Grace Bible Baptist Church in Vernon, Conn., and a minister from Newburgh, N.Y., were also injured in the ambush.

"Apparently, a car pulled out from behind them and emptied two magazines into the car," said DiVietro's daughter, Kate Pettit, 30, of Wrentham. "My dad was sitting behind the driver . . . He took some shrapnel on the back of his head and his hand."

Pettit said the men were coming back from Babylon when they were ambushed. The driver of the vehicle, who was not injured, immediately took the passengers to a hospital, she said.

She spoke with her 51-year-old father on Saturday night. "He's doing well," she said. "His injuries are very minor compared to what they could be. He seems to be in a very good frame of mind." DiVietro should be back in the United States on Friday, Pettit said. He had never been to Iraq before, she said, but traveled to Jordan in August for two weeks to do some training.

She said the ministers went to Iraq to help establish a church there. They left the United States on Feb. 6 and were expecting to stay for two weeks.

Davis, who has been a pastor at Grace Bible Baptist Church since 1983, suffered minor injuries, according to his wife Dorothy. "I talked to him Saturday and briefly this morning," she said yesterday. "I don't really know all the particulars, just that it was minor."

Roland Vukic, a member of Curtis Corner Baptist Church, said he was told of the attack in a phone call Saturday from another pastor in Iraq.

The US military in Baghdad confirmed yesterday that gunmen killed an American Baptist minister from Rhode Island and wounded three other pastors, but did not identify them.

US paratroopers learned of Saturday's attack while conducting a patrol in the town of Mahmudiyah, about 15 miles south of Baghdad, and were told the Americans were being treated at a hospital there.

Stricklin said he hadn't known that Kelley was going on the trip. The wife of another Rhode Island pastor who coordinates the trips heard from her husband that Kelley had been killed and asked Stricklin to go with her to inform his wife.

"I thought I was going to have to inform her, and I was nauseated," he said. But when they arrived, Kelley's wife already knew.

Stricklin said they talked to Kelley's wife and youngest daughter, one of the couple's four children. Jane Kelley told him that her husband had been looking forward to the trip, Stricklin said.

"I know he really felt like he was going to be of some benefit and service to the people," he said. "When we were there, the Iraqi people were very thrilled we came."

Kelley, a former Marine originally from South Carolina, was devoted to his church, Stricklin said. The church is a close-knit community of about 120 parishioners, he said. "It's very difficult for them," Stricklin said of the parishioners. "He was a very hard-working guy."

Stricklin said the group of ministers were coming back from visiting an Old Testament site in Babylon when they were attacked, but he doesn't believe they were informed of the potential dangers of traveling outside the facility where they were staying. "They should have never been able to get into a taxi with one Iraqi driver," he said. "They had to be targeted. This was not just a random thing."

Stricklin said Kelley's body was returned to the United States yesterday and a funeral is scheduled for Feb. 24.

"The tragic part is, it's so senseless," Stricklin said.

Material from the Associated Press was used in this report.
© Copyright 2004 Globe Newspaper Company.

While I am saddened that they were killed, one has to wonder about the evolutionary viability of the Christers! What do they expect, considering the President and his supporters have repeatedly refered to the conflict in Iraq in apocalyptic terms?
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 01:45 pm
Bring 'em on!!!!!!
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:31 pm
There's an interesting article in today's newspaper about Afghanistan; that women fear going outside because of rape and mistreatment by men - except in Kabul. In Bush's quest to overthrow Saddam, he forgot the war he started in Afghanistan - the promises he made and broke. Rah, rah, USA. blaugh.....
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:42 pm
What about sexual assault in the US military Question

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-3718329,00.html
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:49 pm
When things starts to go south, it's hard to stop the momentum. GWBush and the neo-cons are gonna have a hard time trying to correct these problems before November. We just gotta hope that the media will keep on top of the news items, and share them with the world.
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 02:54 pm
Notice, this article is from England. I saw a post from the US, but not in this detail. The press is getting little better with Bush, he hasn't got them wedged between a rock and a hard place any more. But they still know if the come out with "all" the truth, he will simply cut them off, then they have nothing - except the voice of Kerry, he-he.....
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 03:04 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
There's an interesting article in today's newspaper about Afghanistan; that women fear going outside because of rape and mistreatment by men - except in Kabul. In Bush's quest to overthrow Saddam, he forgot the war he started in Afghanistan - the promises he made and broke. Rah, rah, USA. blaugh.....


Hmmm... I read an article about women joining the Afghan police force (link) and they seemed happy about the progress that has been made since the ouster of the Taleban.

I might also point out that Afghanistan is under UN regulation and the US forces there are acting only as peace keepers. Just like the other countries armed forces that are in country. Afghanistan is not now, nor has it ever been just a "war he started in Afghanistan".
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 03:32 pm
As President Bush declared in his 2002 State of the Union address, "The mothers and daughters of Afghanistan were captives in their own homes. . . . Today women are free."We failed them.

**My highlights in bold letters.
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 03:35 pm
Meanwhile, the beat goes on:More threats, more alerts, daddy will protect you.
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U.S. Intelligence Official: Qaeda Posed Plane Threat
By Tabassum Zakaria

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Al Qaeda has deployed operatives to hijack planes and fly them into targets in an echo of the Sept. 11 attacks and is looking at derailing trains possibly carrying hazardous material, according to a top U.S. intelligence official.

Robert Hutchings, chairman of the National Intelligence Council which reports to the CIA director, did not give details of the plots but provided the most recent public outline from an intelligence official of the al Qaeda threat.

The network, blamed for the Sept 11, 2001, attacks that killed 3,000 people, seeks targets that would strike a blow to the U.S. economy, Hutchings said in a Jan. 14 speech to the International Security Management Association in Arizona, the text of which was posted on Feb. 4 on the NIC's Web site.

"Soft targets, including the U.S. stock market, banks, major companies, and tall buildings are a primary focus of active al Qaeda planning," he said.

Those targets are seen as easier to hit than U.S. government buildings and major infrastructure, which have higher security, Hutchings said.

Al Qaeda has looked at derailing trains, perhaps carrying hazardous materials, to attack U.S. interests, he said.

Nuclear power plants, water treatment facilities, and other public utilities are high on al Qaeda's target list, he said.

The U.S. government is concerned that al Qaeda will try to take its ability to build truck bombs as demonstrated by past attacks in Kenya, Saudi Arabia, and Turkey, and marry it with toxic or radioactive material to increase the damage and psychological impact of an attack, Hutchings said.

"My biggest worry, however, is how far al Qaeda might have progressed in being able to deploy a chemical, nuclear, or biological weapon against the United States or its allies," he said.

U.S. authorities have found several examples of al Qaeda adjusting its tactics to circumvent increased airline security, Hutchings said, without providing details.

"Although we have disrupted several airline plots, we have not eliminated the threat to airplanes," he said. "There are still al Qaeda operatives who we believe have been deployed to hijack planes and fly them into key targets."

The United States has beefed up security at airports and on airlines. There were a spate of flight cancellations since late December because of potential threats.

U.S. authorities have succeeded in disrupting the network, Hutchings said. "We have disrupted scores of plots at home and abroad -- plots that were audacious in terms of the numbers of attacks under consideration and their global scope," he said.


02/17/04 15:26

I haev t wonder, how much of thjis is real, and how much has been manufactured by our own government?
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 03:45 pm
cicerone imposter wrote:
McGent, People like you will never "get it."


What's to "get" CI? That things aren't rosey in afghanistan? I never claimed they were! Things are tough all over, but that doesn't give you the right to blame Bush for it as you did! *edited so as not to be Hobitbob*

Moscow welcomes UN role in Afghanistan

Iran Backs Greater U.N. Role in Afghanistan

EU calls for U.N. role in Afghanistan

UN role for democratic Afghan govt urged

Bigger NATO role in Afghanistan

Afghanistan: Greater UN role needed to prevent starvation and violence

Do you need more?
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 04:03 pm
McGent, You're posting the wrong articles about Bush's promises to the Afghan People. Here's one of many I can find.
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[Women-peace-and-security] Remember Bush's Promises to Afghanistan --Landsberg column Toronto Star, Mar 2nd
Beth Woroniuk [email protected]
Tue, 4 Mar 2003 10:30:31 -0500

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AFGHANISTAN DOCUMENTARY EXPOSES BUSH'S PROMISES

MICHELE LANDSBERG SUNDAY STAR MARCH2 ;03 PG. A2

Remember Afghanistan? President George Bush was going to go in there, = bomb the Taliban out of existence, catch Osama bin Laden, install a =
brand-new democracy and make sure that "all the boys and girls could go to = school".
Not only that: by routing the Taliban, Bush could enjoy the rare = pleasure of draping himself in the silken mantle of a fighter for women's rights. =
During his post-war January '02 state of the union speech, he introduced = leading Afghan feminist and cabinet minister Dr. Sima Samar ("Today, women are free," he said) and basked in the applause of Congress.
If you'd like to check up on the progress of those grand promises, you can do so tonight when The Passionate Eye (CBC Newsworld at 10 P.M.)
shows The Daughters of Afghanistan, a new documentary featuring journalist and activist Sally Armstrong,who has visited that country dozens of times since she began crusading for Afghan women's rights in '96.
The state of Afghanistan is especially relevant right now - though little-reported - because the chaos and misery there give us a glimpse of just how difficult it is to reform a country by means of aerial bombardment.
Armstrong says that only about 30 per cent of Afghan girls attend school today, due to lack of resources and a Taliban-like fundamentalist grip on the country outside the capital. The war lords are still running the country, and their rule is cruel, violent and deeply misogynist.
Outside of Kabul, girls and women are still jailed for trying to escape forced marriages. They are forced to wear the burqa, attacked by fanatic vice squads, and even seized and subjected to demeaning gynecological "chastity" exams if caught anywhere near a man. Schools are
firebombed; warlords' troops rape with impunity. Dr. Samar, so admired by President Bush, was forced out of government by a vicious
hoked-up fundamentalist plot, a mere six months after becoming deputy prime minister. Reduced to a Human Rights Commissioner, she is left without
protection or funds by the indifferent U.S.
In Armstrong's documentary, the camera follows five women over the course of a year. Among the most heartbreaking: Kamala, reluctantly pregnant
with her ninth child, who shrugs that she has no right to refuse sex with her husband. "He hits, so what can I do?" she says. The husband grins, and
boasts that Islam gives him the "status" of having so many children. Even more wrenching is the plight of Lima, a shy 13 year old, orphaned by a
Taliban attack, who spends her days cooking and cleaning for five younger siblings. Her only breaks are lonely visits to the cemetery where she
watches over her mother's grave.
The United States has utterly failed to keep its promises to Afghanistan, and especially its promises to reinstate democracy (as though
democracy could ever be imposed by outsiders, from above ...as it were).
It's worth watching this compelling documentary just to taste the courage and resilience of the women, and the depth of their betrayal by American power.
The Washington Post says that American hamburger joints are springing up everywhere in Kabul. There might be post-war hamburgers in Baghdad, too, but there will be no fast-food version of democracy.
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You see, McGent, when the president of the US makes promises to peoples of another country or to Americans, he should keep those promises.
When promises are not kept, we call those "lies."
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:00 pm
SO, because the UN is failing to protect the citizens of Afghanistan, it's Bush's fault?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:01 pm
The purposely dense strike again. Rolling Eyes You are starting to remind me of Bukky Katt!
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McGentrix
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:14 pm
Are women in Afghanistan free to work now?
Are women in Afghanistan free to educate them selves now?
Are women in Afghanistan free to see a doctor now?
Are women in Afghanistan free to hold public office now?


What is it exactly that you are whining about? Is it Sharia law? Is it the fact that Afghanistan is a tribal country? Is it that you just need something to whine about?
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hobitbob
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:17 pm
McGentrix wrote:
Are women in Afghanistan free to work now?

With the exception of certain areas of Kabul, no.

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Are women in Afghanistan free to educate them selves now?

With the exception of certain parts of Kabul, no.

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Are women in Afghanistan free to see a doctor now?

With the exception of some Kabul neighborhoods, no.

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Are women in Afghanistan free to hold public office now?

As long as these women reside in well guarded areas of Kabul, yes, but for the majority, no.


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What is it exactly that you are whining about? Is it Sharia law? Is it the fact that Afghanistan is a tribal country? Is it that you just need something to whine about?

Is it the fact that certain posters live with blinders on?
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BillW
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:26 pm
Quote:
Is it the fact that certain posters live with blinders on?


<Sigh> Yes, they too will someday be free........
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cicerone imposter
 
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Reply Tue 17 Feb, 2004 05:26 pm
McGent, We knew before getting involved in Afghanistan and Iraq that they are both tribal countries. duh....
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